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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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Al-Haqq wrote:
American Salafi wrote:Do you consider me to be a kafir?
No, you have made statements of kufr, but I do not consider you a kufr.

I consider you to be a fasiq and a danger to the Ummah but not a murtad.

LOL,wahabi accusing other wahabi of kufr.
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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The Shafi'i madhab (Which most of you Somalis adhere to) believes: a non-Qurayshi should not marry a Qurayshi Arab, or a non-Hashimite should not marry a Hashimite, etc.

More proof. :up:
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sidee lo isticmaala ignore buttonka, kan hadalkiisa ma istahiilo walle
darbi sidee laa hadli karta :roll:
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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Well your takfiri Shaikh Faisal (Jamaican guy) considers the salafis to be kuffar and he also was making a case that Shaikh Ibn Baaz was a kaffir too.

I'm I not a kaffir if I don't agree with blank takfir you give people? That is what your shaikh says, He says all the muslim govs are kuffar and if you don't accept that they are kuffar than your a kaffir too. Subhanallah. jahil Murrakab.
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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Mizzy_Flame wrote:sidee lo isticmaala ignore buttonka, kan hadalkiisa ma istahiilo walle
darbi sidee laa hadli karta :roll:
User CP --> Friends and Foes ---> Manage foes.

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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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American Salafi wrote:Well your takfiri Shaikh Faisal (Jamaican guy) considers the salafis to be kuffar and he also was making a case that Shaikh Ibn Baaz was a kaffir too.

I'm I not a kaffir if I don't agree with blank takfir you give people? That is what your shaikh says, He says all the muslim govs are kuffar and if you don't accept that they are kuffar than your a kaffir too. Subhanallah. jahil Murrakab.
Shaykh Faisal is not "my" Shaykh.

Bin Baz is not a kufr, anybody who implies he is, is off the manhaj.

The "Muslim" governments of today are apostate governments, yes, I agree with that. There is no debate regarding this, not ruling by Sharia makes one a murtad by default.
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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Yes, I've found it:

al-Khalwati al-hanafi in Tafseer Ruh al-Ma'ani states:

روي ـ سهل بن سعد الساعدي رضي الله عنه أن النبي عليه السلام قال : رأيتني أسقي غنماً سوداً ثم أتبعتها غنماً عفراً أولها يا أبا بكر فقال : يا نبي الله أما السود فالعرب وأا العفر فالعجم تتبعك بعد العرب فقال عليه السلام : كذلك أولها الملك يعني جبرائيل عليه السلام يقال شاة عفراء يعلو بياضها حمرة ويجمع على عفر مثل سوداء وسود وقيل لما يلحقوا بهم في الفضل والمسابقة لأن التابعين لا يدركون شيئاً مع الصاحبة وكذلك العجم مع العرب ومن شرائط الدين معرفة فضل العرب على العجم وحبهم ورعاية حقوقهم

From the conditions of religion is to recognize the merits of the Arabs over non-Arabs, to love them and to respect their rights.

al-Trimidhi included a chapter in his sunan the virtues of the Arabs, as did Ibn Abi Shayba and many other huffadh and imams.


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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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al-Bayhaqi says in Shu'ab al-Iman:

و الأحاديث في فضل العرب ثم فضل قريش كثيرة لا يحتمل هذا الموضوع إيراد جميعها و الذي هب إليه بعض الناس في تفضيل العجم على العرب خلاف ما مضى عليه صدر هذه الأمة و الذي روي في ذلك من الأحاديث أكثره باطل لا ينبغي لأهل العلم أن يشتغل بمذهبه و مما روي من بعد أن بعث الله أهل رسله من العرب و أنزل آخر كتب بلسان العرب فصار على الناس فرضا أن يتعلموا لسان العرب و إن كان ذلك من فروض الكفاية ليعقلوا عن الله عز و جل أمره و نهيه و وعده و وعيده و يفهموا عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم بيانه و تبليغه و حكم بأن الأئمة من قريش إلى سائر ما فضلهم به
و قد ذكر الحليمي رحمه الله في ذلك فصلا طويلا من أراده نظر فيه بتوفيق الله

He says that the ahadeeth regarding the virtues of Arabs over non-Arabs are MANY, and the opposing others espouse goes against the early generation of the Ummah. They base their views on ahadeeth that are completely false and no one should rely to their opinions...

Some more. Although I doubt any of you Somalis can understand the original, beautiful Arabic :down:
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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no tribe is holy or better than other tribe. Allah created humans on this planet as ISKU MID.
IBNU HAASHIM OR KHUREYSH ARE NOT BETTER THAN The Honorable mudulood clan( :up: :lol: )

BLACK WHITES all humans are ISKU MID

if someone says IBNU HAASHIM WERE better than others. i would say yes the prophet scw is khayrul qali allah but hes tribe was lot of kufaars like ABU LAHAB and other haashimits were very BAD PEOPLE.

so every clan there is good and bad PEOPLE whit in that qabiil,
MUDULOOOD NR 1 :rose: :rose: :up: :up:
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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Al-Haqq wrote:
Xaaji_Waraabe- wrote:its not arrogance, its fact
Ya Murtad, play the comedian somewhere else or answer the question.

I see you've gotten rid of the blatant shirk you displayed, not that it rids of your sins.

at this point i stopped reading your post...subhanalla u are doin takfeeer ....do u think its dat easy :down:
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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DR-YALAXOOW wrote:no tribe is holy or better than other tribe. Allah created humans on this planet as ISKU MID.
IBNU HAASHIM OR KHUREYSH ARE NOT BETTER THAN The Honorable mudulood clan( :up: :lol: )

BLACK WHITES all humans are ISKU MID

if someone says IBNU HAASHIM WERE better than others. i would say yes the prophet scw is khayrul qali allah but hes tribe was lot of kufaars like ABU LAHAB and other haashimits were very BAD PEOPLE.

so every clan there is good and bad PEOPLE whit in that qabiil,
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In Abu Lahab's case, and in Abu Talib's case, they failed to fulfill that potential. In fact, they failed miserably, causing them to be left behind by every non-Arab, non-Qurayshi, non-Hashimi Muslim to ever walk the face of the earth. Had Abu Talib accepted Islam, with all the efforts he had made in Islam, imagine the respect and status he would have had.

That doesn't mean their inherent nobility even as sinners is not there.

We have been created the same, but not in nobility.
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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If you still disagree:

The Prophet (SAW) said, "The one who says subhanallahi wa bi hamdihi 100 times, the reward is like freeing ten slaves from the offspring of Isma'il." (Sahih)

Why single out slaves from the lineage of Isma'il?
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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Al-Haqq wrote:Yes, I've found it:

al-Khalwati al-hanafi in Tafseer Ruh al-Ma'ani states:

روي ـ سهل بن سعد الساعدي رضي الله عنه أن النبي عليه السلام قال : رأيتني أسقي غنماً سوداً ثم أتبعتها غنماً عفراً أولها يا أبا بكر فقال : يا نبي الله أما السود فالعرب وأا العفر فالعجم تتبعك بعد العرب فقال عليه السلام : كذلك أولها الملك يعني جبرائيل عليه السلام يقال شاة عفراء يعلو بياضها حمرة ويجمع على عفر مثل سوداء وسود وقيل لما يلحقوا بهم في الفضل والمسابقة لأن التابعين لا يدركون شيئاً مع الصاحبة وكذلك العجم مع العرب ومن شرائط الدين معرفة فضل العرب على العجم وحبهم ورعاية حقوقهم

From the conditions of religion is to recognize the merits of the Arabs over non-Arabs, to love them and to respect their rights.

al-Trimidhi included a chapter in his sunan the virtues of the Arabs, as did Ibn Abi Shayba and many other huffadh and imams.


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ok can you translate af soomali or english that so called hadhiith which supposedly says arabs are better than non arabs.??

waryaa problem of our religion is ahaadiiths, no one knowns how mny hadiiths are out there, there is thousends of hadiith whichs practlicly racist which modern scholars tottaly rejected it as fals hadiths but unfornutly wahaabis use still those ahadiiths like about slavery and racism forexample there is one who says satan look liked man called NABTAL which was long red eyed black man.

and suddenly thats fake hadiith.
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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nobility
definition of nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary, but which may also be personal only
marka nobility has nothing to do which group or a tribe. nobility waa wax personal ah.


marka HASHIMI OR khureysh they were not more wise OR noble than MANDINGOS IN WEST AFRICA or chines in CHINA.
ibnu hashim qofkii yiraahda waxay ahaayeen dad ka fiican shacuubaha kale waa qof jaahil ah.
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Re: Do you accept Qurayshi superiority?

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No, you don't get the point.

Every Hadith I've posted is SOUND. The chains of transmission are verified and they have been commented upon by reputable Shaykh such as Ibn Taymiyyah.. There is no issue regarding how substantial the Hadiths are.

Show me any contradiction. If you knew Arabic and weren't relying on weak translations you'd realize there is no conflict, sport. Learn what tadfeel means, then we can discuss this.

Between me and you, it's obvious you only reject this fact because of your unnatural hatred towards Darod. Grow up.

Now answer the question: What Madhab do you adhere to?
Regarding the first claim of the "soundness" of the posted hadiths, its clear the subject of this post and the starter of this thread cant really read Arabic to a good standard. The initial post in which he copy-pasted a chunky bit of religious literature contained many, many hadiths that were not sound by narration. Whats funny is that it is stated in the very Arabic texts he quoted, that these Hadiths lacked reputable narrators. I will quote his post and highlight the bits I am refering to:

Every Hadith here is Sahih, as is the chain of transmission, I'm currently translating from the original Arabic. No chance of fabrication, Ibn Taymiyyah has verified and commented on every single Hadith I've posted.

Here's the original Arabic:
وقد جاء في الأحاديث "فضل العرب عموماً" أخرج البخاري عن أبي هريرة أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: "بعثت من خير قرون بني آدم قرناً فقرنا حتى كنت من القرن الذي كنت فيه". اه‍.
وأخرج الترمذي عن العباس أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: "إن الله خلق الخلق فجعلني في خيرهم، ثم جعلهم فرقتين فجعلني في خيرهم فرقة، ثم جعلهم قبائل فجعلني في خيرهم قبيلة، ثم جعلهم بيوتاً فجعلني في خيرهم بيتاً وخيرهم نفساً" وقال: هذا حديث حسن.
وأخرج الترمذي عن سلمان قال: قال لي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "يا سلمان لا تبغضني فتفارق دينك" قلت: يا رسول الله كيف أبغضك وبك هداني الله؟ قال: "تبغض العرب فتبغضني" وقال: هذا حديث حسن غريب.
وأخرج عن عثمان بن عفان قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "من غش العرب لم يدخل في شفاعتي ولم تنله مودتي" وقال: هذا حديث غريب لا نعرفه إلا من حديث حصين ابن عمر الأحمسي عن مخارق، وليس حصين عند أهل الحديث بذاك القوي.
وأخرج الترمذي عن محمد بن أبي رزين عن أمه قالت: كانت أم الحرير إذا مات أحد من العرب اشتد عليها، فقيل لها: إنا نراك إذا مات رجل من العرب اشتد عليك، قالت: سمعت مولاي يقول: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "من اقتراب الساعة هلاك العرب" قال محمد بن أبي رزين: ومولاها طلحة بن مالك، هذا حديث غريب لا نعرفه إلا من حديث سليمان بن حرب(1).
وأخرج مسلم عن أم شريك أنها سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: "ليفرن الناس من الدجال في الجبال" قالت أم شريك يا رسول الله فأين العرب يومئذ ؟ قال "هم قليل" وأخرجه الترمذي أيضاً وقال: هذا حديث حسن صحيح غريب.
وأخرج مسلم عن جابر قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم "إن الشيطان قد يئس من أن يعبده المصلون في جزيرة العرب، ولكن في التحريش بينهم، كذا في (مشكاة المصابيح) وأخرجه الترمذي بغير لفظ (في جزيرة العرب) وقال: وفي الباب عن أنس وسليمان بن عمرو بن الأحوص عن أبيه: هذا حديث حسن. اه‍
وفي زوائد مسند البزار للهيثمي عن علي رضي الله عنه يقول: أسندت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى صدري فقال: "يا علي أوصيك بالعرب خيراً". قال البزار لا نعلمه يروى عن علي إذا بهذا الإسناد، وأبو المقدام هو ثابت الحداد روى عنه منصور بن المعتمر وسفيان الثوري وهو أبو عمرو بن ثابت.
وأيضاً فيه عن أبي موسى قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم "إني دعوت العرب فقلت: اللهم من لقيك منهم مصدقاً بك موقناً فاغفر له". قال البزار لا نعلم رواه عن ثابت إلا مروان، ولا عنه إلا الحسن بن بشر. اه‍
وفي زوائد مسند البزار في فضل جزيرة العرب حدثنا محمد بن العلاء حدثنا الحسن بن عطية حدثنا قيس عن يونس يعني ابن عبيد عن الحسن بن الأحنف بن قيس عن العباس بن عبدالمطلب قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم "لقد برأ الله هذه الجزيرة من الشرك ما لم يضلهم النجوم" حدثنا احمد بن محمد بن الوليد حدثنا موسى بن داود حدثنا قيس عن يونس عن الحسن عن الأحنف عن العباس عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال بنحوه، قال البزار لا نعلم رواه إلا العباس، ولا له عنه إلا هذا الإسناد، حدثنا إبراهيم بن زياد حدثنا إبراهيم بن أبي العباس حدثنا عبدالحميد بن بهرام عن شهر بن حوشب عن عبد الرحمن بن غنم عن أبي الدرداء قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم "إن الشيطان قد يئس أن يعبد في جزيرة العرب و لكن قد رضي بمحقرات".
قال البزار قد روي من غير طريق عن أبي الدرداء حدثنا الفضل بن سهل حدثنا معاوية بن عمرو حدثنا أبو إسحاق الفزاري عن الأعمش عن أبي صالح عن أبي هريرة قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم "إن الشيطان قد يئس أن يعبد بارضكم هذه، ولكن قد رضي منكم بالمحقرات" قال البزار قد رواه أبو إسحاق هكذا ورواه غيره عن الأعمش عن أبي صالح عن أبي هريرة أو أبي سعيد. اه‍
وأخرج الترمذي عن سليمان بن عمرو بن الأحوص عن أبيه قال: سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول في حجة الوداع "أي يوم هذا" ؟ الحديث وفيه "وإن الشيطان قد يئس أن يعبد في بلادكم هذه أبداً، ولكن ستكون له طاعة فيما تحقرون من أعمالكم فيرضى به". قال الترمذي: هذا حديث حسن صحيح. اه‍
Some of the above quoted hadiths are certified "hasan", which in the Science of Hadith is one step above Hadiths that are labeled "Daciif" or weak. Others are labeled by the authors as "Strange". Some have a flow in the chain of narration while others are not even to do with Arabs, but rather they refer to the Dajjal.


Just to point out the flow in your empty rhetorics. You label people as liars and accuse them of not knowing their deen when its clearly obvious that you havent got a clue what you've just posted. You claim to be an Arab in hopes of bringing forth what little claim to nobility you have, a pathetic attempt to attain virtual glory that shows nothing but a huge lack of self-assurance.

My family has more claim to the nasab of qureysh than yours, but in my eyes humans are all equal. I would rate you based on your deen, intellect and knowledge and physical ability. I would never accept that the Caliph should be from Qureish. A leader could be anyone with the mental and physical ability, period.


Speaking of superiority, today I would say the West world is much more superior than arabs. The East also of superiour qualities to that of arabs. Your beloved Arabs lay today in the rear end of humanity. Nothing to be proud of.

You should show some pride in being Somali, kid.
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