BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
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BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
Somali people.
More than anything I believe our country disintegrated and we cannot get back on the right path because of....
....unprofessionalism.
Seriously.
In the past I used to smile with pride when I read colonial excerpts about the "recalcitrant" and strong "independent and republican nature of Somalis" and use to laugh when I reads descriptions of Somalia that showed the truly independent nature of our people such as "a nomad straight from the desert sees himself equal to a minister and will walk freely there".
But now I realize all that I looked at with pride is really summed down to....
....unprofessionalism.
Our god damn fcuking people are god damn fcuking unprofessional!
Period.
Professionalism is the oil that keeps business, politics, civilization, advanced way of life and the highly bureaucratic nature of today's world running.
What I in the past viewed wrongly as, along with many others, as "independence" and "republican" are infact just covers for unprofessionalism!
The biggest reason why are the way we are today is that we have never truly witnessed a centralized universal system (monarchy or not, brutal or not) that would make it easier for us today to accept a central system and therefore respect for professionalism!
The Ethiopians in the regard are more lucky then us because they have always lived under a central system and their culture and way of life has been molded by that.
Where we viewed their lifestyle as "submissive" and "passive" to a higher power, they infact had an upper hand over us then and they do now!
Unprofessional muthafcukas is what we are!
I am going to have more respect for the rising, educated crowd of Somalis people in the west call "stuck up" and "look down on their culture" just because they enforce a professional attitude and professional conduct.
Being in Africa made see the difference.
More than anything I believe our country disintegrated and we cannot get back on the right path because of....
....unprofessionalism.
Seriously.
In the past I used to smile with pride when I read colonial excerpts about the "recalcitrant" and strong "independent and republican nature of Somalis" and use to laugh when I reads descriptions of Somalia that showed the truly independent nature of our people such as "a nomad straight from the desert sees himself equal to a minister and will walk freely there".
But now I realize all that I looked at with pride is really summed down to....
....unprofessionalism.
Our god damn fcuking people are god damn fcuking unprofessional!
Period.
Professionalism is the oil that keeps business, politics, civilization, advanced way of life and the highly bureaucratic nature of today's world running.
What I in the past viewed wrongly as, along with many others, as "independence" and "republican" are infact just covers for unprofessionalism!
The biggest reason why are the way we are today is that we have never truly witnessed a centralized universal system (monarchy or not, brutal or not) that would make it easier for us today to accept a central system and therefore respect for professionalism!
The Ethiopians in the regard are more lucky then us because they have always lived under a central system and their culture and way of life has been molded by that.
Where we viewed their lifestyle as "submissive" and "passive" to a higher power, they infact had an upper hand over us then and they do now!
Unprofessional muthafcukas is what we are!
I am going to have more respect for the rising, educated crowd of Somalis people in the west call "stuck up" and "look down on their culture" just because they enforce a professional attitude and professional conduct.
Being in Africa made see the difference.
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Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
yep i agree. Professionalism in somali terms is old men negotiating in a nicley decorated room, worst of all the negotiations get no where and the anarchy continues after 20 odd years.
Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
I think lack of ambition is a what leads Soomaalida to become unprofessionals. I've seen other immigrant communities in N. America and they all have aspirations of grand achievements, but Somalis settle for the smallest of things e.g. living on welfare for as long as DHS allows or warehouse jobs.
Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
Why do marehan like nairobi/kenya so much
They never visit Somalia, I noticed this from many Marehans
Only Isaaq and MJs visit Somalia as Dalxiis mostly
They never visit Somalia, I noticed this from many Marehans
Only Isaaq and MJs visit Somalia as Dalxiis mostly
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Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
*Nobleman* wrote:yep i agree. Professionalism in somali terms is old men negotiating in a nicley decorated room, worst of all the negotiations get no where and the anarchy continues after 20 odd years.
Wallahi you are right and the sad thing is those old goats are the true representation of their people, young or old who either grow up in Somalia, heavily Somali populated areas, or are just plain uneducated.
You go on a bus and the Bantus are quite and professional. One is either reading a news paper, minding his business, or looking over himself to see if he is ready for work.
The Somali is screaming, yelling, acting uncivilized, and just plain irritating.
Where I wanted to come here so I can truly feel the impact of Somalinimo and being in my culture, I am left feeling jarred and more American than I ever thought of myself.
I cannot relate to these people.
We don't think the same way, we don't act the same way, we don't have the same culture. Period.
You walk on the street.
200 pair of eyes stare at you and continue to stare at you.
Maxay kaa fiirinayaan?
You go to a store and look at something. Next thing you know the store owner is screaming buy something or leave.
Customer service anyone?
You go to a restaurant and unless you scream at them, they ignore you. Never come towards you or bring your food to you even if they are not busy.
...Unless you scream at them, which is the only thing they know.
The Somali people as I have judged them collectively...are NOT my people.
Isku dhaqan ma nihin, isku fikrad ma nihin, isku qaab ma nihin.
The only thing we share are features and skin color.
Unprofessional wallahi.
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Volatage your being too hard on our people.
Those somali attributes that you now attack is what makes us more competitive than others.
When a somali talks loud than a somali makes he's/her presence known to others.
For these positive reasons somalis unlike others have never been enslaved, whilst the bantus you hail as professional have been enslaved in the west by Europeans and in the east by Arabs.
I don't know about you but am proud that God has made me somali, you people from amongst a proud people is indeed a privilege
Those somali attributes that you now attack is what makes us more competitive than others.
When a somali talks loud than a somali makes he's/her presence known to others.
For these positive reasons somalis unlike others have never been enslaved, whilst the bantus you hail as professional have been enslaved in the west by Europeans and in the east by Arabs.
I don't know about you but am proud that God has made me somali, you people from amongst a proud people is indeed a privilege
Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
dawwa9 wrote:Why do marehan like nairobi/kenya so much
They never visit Somalia, I noticed this from many Marehans
Only Isaaq and MJs visit Somalia as Dalxiis mostly
Are You a worldwide travel agent for Marehans, maxaad ka oktahay meeshay aadan

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Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
Sorry i can stop laughing you went all the way insidee Kukuyu land and you found out somalis are not professionalist lol.
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Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
proud of what being geeljire somali = nomad being Cammel thief makes you proud war dunnidu iyo calaamku waxay ku faanta dhaqaalo kordhay iyo daarro cad cad uu cirka ghaadhay la dhisto lugu ma faano caanaha ayaan maalii jiiray that is somali ummadu yanay kula yaabinI don't know about you but am proud that God has made me somali, you people from amongst a proud people is indeed a privilege
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I thought you knew this all before you left. 

Re: BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....
Voltage, you're being unnecessarily and unfairly harsh. Clearly, your observations in Africa cannot apply to the masses. And unprofessionalism can apply to people from all walks of life, be they white, yellow, educated, literate, privileged, wealthy, etc. You have made the wrong conclusions, because obviously, it's based on select/narrow observations. If you travel to several countries where there's a sizable number of Somalis and observe, I'm sure you will change your current negative conclusions.
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WARYA EMPERIOR...See? I told youVoltage wrote:
Where I wanted to come here so I can truly feel the impact of Somalinimo and being in my culture, I am left feeling jarred and more American than I ever thought of myself.

I never been to Africa but I definitely know that is the feeling I will have once I go there.
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Son_of_Somalia wrote:Volatage your being too hard on our people.
Those somali attributes that you now attack is what makes us more competitive than others.
When a somali talks loud than a somali makes he's/her presence known to others.
For these positive reasons somalis unlike others have never been enslaved, whilst the bantus you hail as professional have been enslaved in the west by Europeans and in the east by Arabs.
I don't know about you but am proud that God has made me somali, you people from amongst a proud people is indeed a privilege
Son_of_Somalia, if you go back to my first post I said I USED TO be proud of those attributes. Now I feel it is an obstacle to the Somali nation.
What made the Bantus be enslaved by Europeans or English peasants bow down to their royalty or Ethiopian peasents bow down to Menelik is exactly what keeps their countries still functioning today.
Imagine, we descendants of nomadic Somalis who have never experienced any sort of high civilization or any visible imprint in world history look down on "bantu Africans" and about how they bowed!
Today Bantu African countries are the best countries in Africa.
It is not that they bowed, but rather because their culture is organized and once they are placed in a system, work professionally in that system!
If you notice, even in Kenya there was the Mau Mau rebellion which had more of an impact then anything Somalis attempted against the colonists!
The reality is these people..English, Ethiopians, Bantus, have respect for LAW AND ORDER, they have a respect for GOVERNMENT, they have professional attitude and are educated.
The early European colonists gave many "exotic" and "enchanting" descriptions of Somalis because the Somali attitude was the opposite of theirs. The bantu Africans bowed down their rulers just as the English or Italian bowed down to his ruler, so they did not view the Bantu as "exotic". But the unprofessional Somali who respects no law, is arrogant, course, and just plain backward they viewed "exotic". It was just THE "other" people they were looking for.
Waxay noo qarinayeen uncivilized.
Period.
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I left Africa as a toddler and all the visits since have been as a kid. THis is the first time I go back with eyes open and intelligent enough to analyze.QansaGabeyle wrote:I thought you knew this all before you left.
I viewed it differently before. I viewed it with pride. Now that I have been placed in the midst of it and can observe for myself without bias from anyone, I disdain it wallahi.
I thought those coffee shop losers were a small part of the Somali fabric. I had no idea they ARE the Somali fabric.
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Haddad, my analysis concerns the Somali PEOPLE untainted by living outside. I am the core where I can see the Somali and his problems untainted. Doesn't basing my views on Somalis outside influenced by their host countries bely the point???Haddad wrote:Voltage, you're being unnecessarily and unfairly harsh. Clearly, your observations in Africa cannot apply to the masses. And unprofessionalism can apply to people from all walks of life, be they white, yellow, educated, literate, privileged, wealthy, etc. You have made the wrong conclusions, because obviously, it's based on select/narrow observations. If you travel to several countries where there's a sizable number of Somalis and observe, I'm sure you will change your current negative conclusions.

If you noticed, I said I have more respect for the Somalis in the West that are looked down for trying to be "unSomali" or "conforming". Those are the Somalis you wanted me to base my conclusion on right? Well I have respect for them though my conclusion is based on the ideal Somali untainted by outside influence.
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