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Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Monk-of-Mogadishu » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:18 pm

This is Iraqi Kurdistan, they are vying for independence, just like you------only one country gets the spot----------do you think you really stand a chance? :| :| :|



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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby ToughGong » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:28 pm

Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory. It can be found in a power to rule and make law that rests on a political fact for which no purely legal explanation can be provided. It has nothing to do with how many beatufullt paved roads you have or how many high rise buildings are erected in said territory.
Btw if Somaliland had as much oil as Kurdistan our infrustracture would be just as well developed

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Monk-of-Mogadishu » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:36 pm

Your last line answers the recognition question. Recognition as a nation is political, thus economic. For any country to recognize you there would have to be either overwhelming political gain or modest financial gain. There is neither in Somaliland. Recognizing Kurdistan is political suicide much worse than even Somaliland, but the tremendous financial gain makes up for their case. No one is ready to recognize an empty region with little political incentive. Recognizing a country is a laborious task, there has to be a payoff for every hour spent preparing political relations with the world and the new country in question; those hours need to be compensated, and Somaliland has nothing to compensate those hours. This is not about Somaliland's competence as a nation-state, but rather the its legal political future. Such is life.


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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Somali_Boqor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:41 pm

Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory. It can be found in a power to rule and make law that rests on a political fact for which no purely legal explanation can be provided. It has nothing to do with how many beatufullt paved roads you have or how many high rise buildings are erected in said territory.
Btw if Somaliland had as much oil as Kurdistan our infrustracture would be just as well developed
Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory.[1][2] It can be found in a power to rule and make law that rests on a political fact for which no purely legal explanation can be provided
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

Retarded marqaanhead, you cant even formulate your own thoughts.

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:57 pm

qaldaaanland for the last 20 years that they were singing where are independent and unlike kurdistan, QALDAANLAND they did not even BUILT one KM of Asphalted paved road, HARGEYSA roads look like 1400 century dusty Wild west TOWN. last time which hargeysa road asphalted was when SIYAAD BARRE was ruler of hargeysa,
QALDAANLANDERS know only how to chew jaaad. i wonder why they did not BUILD Asphalted paved roads in hargeysa.

walaahi DAHABSHIIL only can built all 3 roads which are in hargeysa all of them Asphalted,PAVED.
dahabshiil have anough money to buy this machine and asphalt all roads in qaldaanlands capital XAARGEYSO

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Monk-of-Mogadishu » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:22 am

Dr-Yalaxoow brings a good question to mind - why haven't Somalilanders built an inch of infrastructure since Siad Barre? They can't blame recognition because unrecognized regions have often been controversially explored and gained lucrative trade contracts in the past. You can't blame stability because most educated people know Somaliland is safe and secondly, for the right price people will come to your land - even Puntland recently had a massive exploration expedition. There's nothing that explains the massive lack of interest in your region as well as developmental stagnation and dependence on aid despite your stability except the fact that your state is simply a top-down scheme for a few profiteers. Simply put, of all the regions of Somalia, the far northwestern regions offer the absolute least incentive for recognition; no resources, no political importance, nothing really - its just one massive djibouti. The only regions that may harbor some minerals are the warsangeli and dulbahante regions and those areas are contested & unstable; stable heartland Somaliland is barren, its an unfortunate geographic coincidence.

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Murax » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:30 am

This is cruel :lol: :lol:



Really laakin kuudos to Kurdistan it looks unbelievable.

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Monk-of-Mogadishu » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:41 am

These guys need to realize that unlike the Kurds who are walking away with the best parts of Iraq, they'll be walking away with quite literally the shittiest part of Somalia; the agriculture and minerals are in the south and the only oil exploration in former Somalia has only ever occurred in Garowe. Even hypothetically if Somalilanders were an oppressed tribe of Bantus they'd be better off waiting for the cruel south to achieve peace than to split. The brilliant and tragic part here is that Somaliland leaders don't want independence, they can only siphon aid money for so long, there's no potential in that. Remittance, aid, and livestock trade can only go so far for a country. In a few generations Somaliland would be the Yemen of the Horn; Djibouti would serve as a resort/transit route, Somalia's economy would be up, Ethiopia would be up while their administration would be quelling insurgency from Gadabursis trying to join Somalia across the room.

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Murax » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:46 am

These guys need to realize that unlike the Kurds who are walking away with the best parts of Iraq, they'll be walking away with quite literally the shittiest part of Somalia; the agriculture and minerals are in the south and the only oil exploration in former Somalia has only ever occurred in Garowe. Even hypothetically if Somalilanders were an oppressed tribe of Bantus they'd be better off waiting for the cruel south to achieve peace than to split. The brilliant and tragic part here is that Somaliland leaders don't want independence, they can only siphon aid money for so long, there's no potential in that. Remittance, aid, and livestock trade can only go so far.

To be honest I have no idea why You'd pursue independence When Your Country doesn't have even 1 Industry to sustain a economy.

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Estarix » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:24 am

Dr-Yalaxoow brings a good question to mind - why haven't Somalilanders built an inch of infrastructure since Siad Barre
Your ignorance about Somaliland is mind boggling to say the least.
there has to be a payoff for every hour spent preparing political relations with the world and the new country in question; those hours need to be compensated
While i agree with that their are political incentives involving in recognition, this though doesnt qualify as one; maybe the aid the US would have to flush out yearly to the country would be labarous. Perhaps Ethiopia would have a stacke in recognising Somaliland as to perhaps counter and bulwark any Greater Somalia aspirations.
The USA may find interest in recognition solely in countering terrorism?

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby gurey25 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:29 am

Your last line answers the recognition question. Recognition as a nation is political, thus economic. For any country to recognize you there would have to be either overwhelming political gain or modest financial gain. There is neither in Somaliland. Recognizing Kurdistan is political suicide much worse than even Somaliland, but the tremendous financial gain makes up for their case. No one is ready to recognize an empty region with little political incentive. Recognizing a country is a laborious task, there has to be a payoff for every hour spent preparing political relations with the world and the new country in question; those hours need to be compensated, and Somaliland has nothing to compensate those hours. This is not about Somaliland's competence as a nation-state, but rather the its legal political future. Such is life.


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There is only political interest, nothing else.
Somaliland is both blessed and cursed becuase nobody is interested in us.

Blessed becuase we do not get political interferance from the outside and we are one of the few countries to run our own affairs.

cursed becuase nobody is willing to recognize somaliland becuase the major countries do not get any benefit from it, and becuase the status quo suits everyone very well.
The US, EU and Ethiopia supposedly our biggest supporters gain everything they need from the Status Qou and will lose with any change.
Somaliland is a good boy and doesnt rock the boat so everyone assumes that we are happy with the status quo.

This is the main problem, there are no economic arguments, we are not linked economically with the south, we have access to the rest of the world and ethiopia is our biggest trade partner or will be soon.
If we never benefitted from the south while united how will they affect us now when they are a horrible tragedy?

economic reasons against seccesion have been used as an excuse by all powers around the world.
I remeber an entire edition of the Horn Of africa magazine from 1985 dedicated to the question whether the EPLF is right to seccede on economic grounds.
They said the exact same thing, that Eritrea is barren cannot afford to feed itself, does not have any resources, has too few people etc etc etc.

Haile sellasie also used this argument against somalia in 1948 when the case for somalia was presented tot he UN.
Haille selassies representative argued in the UN that all somalia was traditionally part of ethiopia and that they do not have the resources to survive and that it
would be cruel to give them independance while its better to let Ethiopia rule over them.


There is no economic argument against somaliland, and there is no political incentive from the great powers to get involved when the satatus quo is convenient. Why go into the trouble of going against egypts quixotic political interest in the region?

When it serves the interests of those in power recognition is given overnight, look at slovenia and bosnia and look at whats happening in Kosovo?
Bosnia was a can of worms an order of magitude greater the than somallialand issue, with its border problems, and ethnic divisions.
It was seen as a huge mess initially but the germans recognized it within 24 hours.
Why becuase it serves germanies long term political interests thats why..


Somaliland does not count...

To get recognition we need to get off our asses and take it.
nobody will give it to you unless they have ulterior motives.

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Oxidant » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:58 am

This thread is extremely cruel yet I loved reading every single post, :clap:

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby LiquidHYDROGEN » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:03 am

^^No, cruel would be to get into a discussion about the pathetic state of affairs in Somalia and kililka shanaad. :up:

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby FBISOMALIA » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:04 am

siilland forever :sland: :up:

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Re: Somalilanders, take a look at Kurdistan :-]

Postby Oxidant » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:16 am

^^No, cruel would be to get into a discussion about the pathetic state of affairs in Somalia and kililka shanaad. :up:

This thread must have hit a nerve I see :lol:


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