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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

Postby Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:39 pm

Yalaxow muslims dont love Yaziid at all, nor do we make takfeer on him by acquiring fairytales from the rafida he was not a saxaabi either

look at this, this is in Karbala one the kibaar of the Shia sheikhs says


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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

Postby Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:54 pm

watch this





Si wanaagsan uu fiirso from 0:46 seconds inalilahi wa ina ileyhi rajicuun, he is a graduate from a Shia hawza the top Shia University either in Najaf their version of Makkah or Qom the Shia vatican where they train students on Shiism

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Postby grandpakhalif » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:09 pm

Who are you to judge who is Muslim or not? Abu Sufyan ra is considered a sahabi by ahlussunah. When they cast aspersions upon him, they cast aspersions upon Abu bakr, Umar, Utham (and his clan the bani umayya). That's because all 3 guys accepted Abu Sufyan. You don't understand the political games they play bro. They start with characters like Abu Sufyan, then Uthman and then finally culminate with the shaykhayn.

And Nasrallah and his crew have insulted other sahabah, including Aisha ra.
HutuKing you idiot Abu Sufyan(R.A) may allah bless him with paradise he died as a shahiid and he was sahaba. You dont know how much trouble Muahwiya caused for Hadrat Ali, he whipped up so much propaganda, so much tension this guy was the divider of the Ummah. He and the kharijites were the downfall of Hadrat ALi (RH) the great rightly guided calipha went through many tests because of Muawiyah and his lavish style he loved and wanted to sustan during his cousin Hadrat Othman's reign. Ali liked muslims to follow the tradition of Rasullah and not love this world but Muawiyah wanted to live like the Babylons in Syria. God bless Hadrat Ali(RH) ahe fought with his heart to stop Muawiyah and fought for Allah. I cant believe you side with Muawiyah and you hate his father Abu sufyan who was good muslim at the end. Muawiyah was big time qabilist he wanted Ummayad reign over the holy Banu Hashim reign and he know the Hashimites were more superior and holier than Ummayad even through they were humble.
Subhannlah. Mucaawiya was a sahabi. Your absolute dismissal of him is no characteristic of Ahlus-sunnah. The way of ahlussunah is to not speak of inter-saahabi wars, only to say who was right and who was right. Cali RA was most defs right. But never ever ever did Cali ever make aspersions about Mucaawiya. You can even check it out in their baatil shiica sources.

Mucaawiya and Bani umayya were very angry that the murders of Uthman were in Cali's ranks. Uthman RA was the rightful amir, and was murdered in COLD BLOOD at his residence while reading the quran. Cali RA sent his two sons to defend Uthman, but most of the sahabah thought it was a fitnah and stayed at home. Mucaawiya himself went to Uthman and asked him to go back to Syria to him, but again Uthman, knowing that his fate was coming, refused.

Mucaawiya and caaisha asked Ali to hand over the criminals, in which he refused. It was in honour of their fallen brother that they fought, and not some power rage. When the romans i think asked at the high of the Cali-Mucaawiya beef, whether they could bypass syria and attack Cali, Mucaawiya said to them that if they dared tried, he would turn his military against them.

Mucaawiya ra was a good amir, may allah swt bless him. The major Sahabahs all made bayca to him, and some were part of his advisory team. He still lead the salat, enforced shariica, and fought Jihaad. He was a true mujaahid in comparision to the Khaariji Al-shabaab you talk about.
Sxb the book I read showed me a very different side of Muawiyyah, how he only pulled the Othman card while he himself was co-operating with the murderers to gain an advantage against Cali RH and to become a Caliph. Even though hes a good sahaba you cant say hes better than Abu Sufyan who died a shahiid
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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:12 pm

the first video the shiica sheikh is saying according xadiiis who ever visit husseinn grave is like standing forn of face of allah.

ok did he said HUSSIEN himslef is e god?
NO he did not.

therefore still this is not what the wahaabi proboganda people who made this video want whichs make shiicas as GAALO.

SECOND VIDEO, we see only a picture and voice, we do not even known the voice belongs the man on the picture.

the voice can belong people who made this proboganda video themselfs, therfore we should be exceptics very thing that was made for proboganda crreating hatred between muslims.

there are lot wahaabis sheikhs who more extrem views than this shiica sheikhs, like wahaabis belives whichs allah has hand and legs, allah sitt on kursi acuudi bilaahi

wahaabis and shiicaas both are muslims, and wahaabis are not better than shiicaas.

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Postby grandpakhalif » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:18 pm

DR. Yalaxoow I have never seen a muslim call himself "Wahaabi" do you know this is a name of Allah SWT. Subhanallah, fear Allah and stop using his name in vain.

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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:23 pm

Yalaxow muslims dont love Yaziid at all,
majorty of muslims do not love yaziiid, even all 4 mad-habs in ahlu sunnah waljamaaca all of them said is allowed to curs yaziid ibn mucaawiya the killer of grandchildren of rasuul scw, BUT WAHAABIS love yazeeed ibn mucaawia listen this gran mufti sacuudi wahaabi sheikh


listen how he degregate hussein rc and how he justified yazeeed actions and what yazeed done.

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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

Postby melo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:34 pm

Who are you to judge who is Muslim or not? Abu Sufyan ra is considered a sahabi by ahlussunah. When they cast aspersions upon him, they cast aspersions upon Abu bakr, Umar, Utham (and his clan the bani umayya). That's because all 3 guys accepted Abu Sufyan. You don't understand the political games they play bro. They start with characters like Abu Sufyan, then Uthman and then finally culminate with the shaykhayn.

And Nasrallah and his crew have insulted other sahabah, including Aisha ra.
HutuKing you idiot Abu Sufyan(R.A) may allah bless him with paradise he died as a shahiid and he was sahaba. You dont know how much trouble Muahwiya caused for Hadrat Ali, he whipped up so much propaganda, so much tension this guy was the divider of the Ummah. He and the kharijites were the downfall of Hadrat ALi (RH) the great rightly guided calipha went through many tests because of Muawiyah and his lavish style he loved and wanted to sustan during his cousin Hadrat Othman's reign. Ali liked muslims to follow the tradition of Rasullah and not love this world but Muawiyah wanted to live like the Babylons in Syria. God bless Hadrat Ali(RH) ahe fought with his heart to stop Muawiyah and fought for Allah. I cant believe you side with Muawiyah and you hate his father Abu sufyan who was good muslim at the end. Muawiyah was big time qabilist he wanted Ummayad reign over the holy Banu Hashim reign and he know the Hashimites were more superior and holier than Ummayad even through they were humble.
Subhannlah. Mucaawiya was a sahabi. Your absolute dismissal of him is no characteristic of Ahlus-sunnah. The way of ahlussunah is to not speak of inter-saahabi wars, only to say who was right and who was right. Cali RA was most defs right. But never ever ever did Cali ever make aspersions about Mucaawiya. You can even check it out in their baatil shiica sources.

Mucaawiya and Bani umayya were very angry that the murders of Uthman were in Cali's ranks. Uthman RA was the rightful amir, and was murdered in COLD BLOOD at his residence while reading the quran. Cali RA sent his two sons to defend Uthman, but most of the sahabah thought it was a fitnah and stayed at home. Mucaawiya himself went to Uthman and asked him to go back to Syria to him, but again Uthman, knowing that his fate was coming, refused.

Mucaawiya and caaisha asked Ali to hand over the criminals, in which he refused. It was in honour of their fallen brother that they fought, and not some power rage. When the romans i think asked at the high of the Cali-Mucaawiya beef, whether they could bypass syria and attack Cali, Mucaawiya said to them that if they dared tried, he would turn his military against them.

Mucaawiya ra was a good amir, may allah swt bless him. The major Sahabahs all made bayca to him, and some were part of his advisory team. He still lead the salat, enforced shariica, and fought Jihaad. He was a true mujaahid in comparision to the Khaariji Al-shabaab you talk about.
Sxb the book I read showed me a very different side of Muawiyyah, how he only pulled the Othman card while he himself was co-operating with the murderers to gain an advantage against Cali RH and to become a Caliph. Even though hes a good sahaba you cant say hes better than Abu Sufyan who died a shahiid
The book is absolute propaganda. Mucaawiya ra was a good sahabi, who made mistakes, just like every other sahabi. We need to watch our mouths when we talk about the sahabah of the prophet, because as the prophet said, if you donated a mountain full of gold to charity, you would not reach their status.

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Postby melo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:36 pm

Yalaxow muslims dont love Yaziid at all,
majorty of muslims do not love yaziiid, even all 4 mad-habs in ahlu sunnah waljamaaca all of them said is allowed to curs yaziid ibn mucaawiya the killer of grandchildren of rasuul scw, BUT WAHAABIS love yazeeed ibn mucaawia listen this gran mufti sacuudi wahaabi sheikh


listen how he degregate hussein rc and how he justified yazeeed actions and what yazeed done.
There are two opinions on Yaziid (traditionally, before wahabis ever came across)

1- Those who kept silent on him
2- Those who cursed him

If you want, i can quote you the caalims who fall under these categories, and no, they existed before ibn taymiyya or cabdu wahab.

My view is that Yaziid was a mujrim, who killed the grandson of our prophet saws. He was not a sahabi, so we need not to hold our tongues back. But im not going to say that this the ONLY CORRECT opinion, nor use it as a propaganda tool against ahlus-sunnah.

It was SHIIICAS who abandoned Xusayn. Not ahlussunah.

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Postby melo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:41 pm

That video is absolute propaganda. Most of the sahaba alive, including ibn cumar )(or was it ibn cabbas, dont remember) pledged allegiance to Mucaawiya. Yaziid was personally a mujrim, but the state he controlled was still an islamic state. The shariica was still in tact. These rafaawid pledge allegiance to men who openly violate the shariica of allah.

The sheikh said NOTHING wrong in that video. Everything he said then is in line with Sunni Islamic thought.

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Postby melo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:55 pm

First off yalaxow, i agree that the extra surat in the quran is propaganda.

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arrin kale aan la yaabey. waxay tahay. SHIICADA waxaa laga caayaa dhaqan foolxun one nigth stand MUTCAH la yiraahdo nin iyo naaag iyaga is nikaaxssada saacado ayna galmo sex sameeyaan, markii ay sameeyaana ninka naagta kala tagaan guurkii ku meel gaarka ahaa ee ku koobnaa 1 hours uu noqdo wax xalaal ah, waxaan la yaabey inay sacuudiga sunnah wahabiyada ay iyaguna qabaaan arrin u eg mutcah taasoo la yiraahdo MISYAAAR, waa mutcadii magaca loo badaley. marka shiiicada iyo sunnada farqiga u dhaxeeyo maaha.
Yalaxoow secondly

It is not wahabis who invented misyaars, not was it the sacuudis.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp? ... 038&CATE=1

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

I pray this finds you in the best of health and spirits.
If the conditions and integrals of a marriage are fulfilled, the marriage is valid.

However, the extra conditions of a misyar marriage--such as the wife forgoing certain Shariah-granted rights like the right to support or housing--go against the central goals (maqasid) and benefits of marriage. As such, it is a marriage that would generally be disliked and to be avoided. As for the specific ruling, it would depend on the specific case in question. This is what leading scholars--such as Shaykh Ali Jumuah, Shaykh Wahba Zuhayli, and Shaykh Bouti--have stated on this type of marriage.

Faraz Rabbani
Faraz Rabbani is a sufi, ASHARI scholar. The total opposite of wahabi. This is a position of ahlussunah wal jamaca.

You consider everything you oppose as wahhabism.

Secondly, Misyaar is not like mutcah. Mutcah was banned by the prophet saw as the Battle of khaybar. Ibn Cabbas thought it was xalaal still, and Cali told him that the prophet hand in fact banned it.

http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/mutah/misyar
Question:
As-Salam Alaykum,

What is the difference between “Mutah” of the Shia and “Misyar” of the Sunnis? I have heard many Shia defending Mutah by accusing Sunnis of believing in Misyar which they say is a very degrading institution. Can you please tell me what is the difference between the two, and how do we respond to a Shia person who says this?

Answer by Team Ahlel Bayt:

Firstly, the Shia scholars believe in the permissibility of Misyar. So all these silly e-Shia propagandists are making fools of themselves by demonizing Misyar. The permissibility of Misyar marriage has been stated on the official website of Grand Ayatollah Sistani. We read:

Question:

Is it permissible to do Misyar Marriage ? What is opinion of Sayed Sistani regarding this?

Answer:

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

Assalamu Alaykum

The rules of the marriage are stated in the fatwaa books; hence, if the required conditions are satisfied then it is permissible.

Wa Alaykum Assalam

(source: The Official Website of Grand Ayatollah Sistani)

Secondly, Mutah is temporary and so it is like prostitution. Instead, Misyar is permanent and is therefore a marriage. So this is the fundamental and monumental difference between Mutah and Misyar. In Mutah, a Shia man pays a few dollars to have sex with a whore, and they are “married” for less than one hour. On the other hand, Misyar is permanent and lasts forever. In fact, it is Haram to contract Misyar if you have the intention of divorce. So it is the same as Nikah (i.e. it is Haram to have the intention to divorce when you marry that person).

So what is Misyar? Misyar is simply when the woman voids her right to be financially supported by her husband. This makes common sense: how many of university students today can relate to this? The man is still in university and can therefore not support a girl financially. Instead of getting into a life of sin, the two get married and the woman voids her right to maintenance so that they can get married.

That is all. That is it. Nothing at all similar to Mutah.

Mutah = temporary = prostitution
Misyar = permanent = marriage

This craze to equate Mutah with Misyar is one of the desperate attempts of the Shia propagandists to conflate simple issues, just like they conflate abrogation with Tahreef. This is to hide their embarrassment over their filthy religion which allows women to be rented by the hour.

Another major difference between Misyar and Mutah is that the Sunni scholars have stated that Misyar is discouraged whereas the Shia scholars actively encourage Mutah, claiming that a woman who whores herself out in Mutah to two men will be forgiven all her sins and enter Paradise.

Once again, there is absolutely no comparison between Misyar (which is permanent) to Mutah (which is temporary and can last for even one hour or one day).
THEY are not the same


Thirdly, to say that there is no difference between sunnis and shiica is a joke.

Shiica insult the sahabah like Abu Bakr, Cumar, Uthman, Caisha, mucaawiya. Shiicas believe their imaams have special powers that Allah reserved for himself. Shiicas HISTORICALLY believed that the sahabah removed verses from the quran. Their major books like Usuul-al kafi attest to this fact.

Those 3 alone are grounds for takfiir. That isn't to say however that all shiica are kaafir.

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Postby melo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:58 pm

SUFI VIEW ON YAZIID AND XUSSEIN FITNAH

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp? ... 2&CATE=164


In view of this statement, what is the Islamic verdict on Imam Hussain's (radiyAllahu-Anhu) rebellion against the corrupt leadership of Yazeed? Was this permissible according to the Shariah? Also, what view should Muslims hold of Yazeed. I notice Shia often curse him. Is this allowed?

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

The answer to your question will be given in two parts. The first deals with Sayyiduna Husain�s (Allah be pleased with him) uprising against the leadership of Yazid, and the second deals with the opinion of Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama�ah regarding Yazid.

As far as the first question is concerned, it is an accepted fact among the Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama�ah that to challenge authority is generally not permissible.

Imam al-Tahawi (Allah have mercy on him) states in his famous al-Aqida al-Tahawiyya:

�We do not recognize uprising against our Imam or those in charge of our affairs even if they are unjust, nor do we wish evil on them, nor do we withdraw from following them. We hold that obedience to them is part of obedience to Allah, The Glorified, and is therefore obligatory as long as they do not order us to commit sins. We pray for their guidance and their wrongdoings to be pardoned�. (al-Aqida al-Tahawiyya with the Sharh of al-Ghunaymi, P. 110-111).

The commentators of al-Aqida al-Tahawiyya have mentioned many evidences for this. Allama al-Ghunaymi al-Maydani and other commentators on this work elaborated on this topic by mentioning the relevant evidences.

Allah Most High says:

1) �O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you� (al-Nisa, 59).

2) Sayyiduna Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, and whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah. And whoever obeys my ruler (amir), obeys me, and whoever disobeys my ruler, disobeys me� (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 6718 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1835).

3) Sayyiduna Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �Listen to and obey your ruler, even if he is an Abyssinian slave whose head looks like a raisin� (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 6723 & Sahih Muslim).

4) Sayyiduna Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �Whoever sees his ruler doing something he disapproves of, he should be patient, for no one separates from the (Muslim) group even for a span and then dies, except that he will die a death of (pre-Islamic) ignorance. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 6724 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1849).

5) Sayyiduna Abd Allah (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �A Muslim must listen to and obey (the order of his ruler) in things that he likes or dislikes, as long as he is not ordered to commit a sin. If he is ordered to disobey Allah, then there is no listening and no obedience. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 6725 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1839).

The above evidences are clear in establishing the fact that one must obey the ruler even if he is corrupt or a sinner (fasiq). The reason for this, in the words of Allama al-Ghunaymi, is that, there have been many corrupt rulers in Islamic history and never did the predecessors (salaf) rebel against them, rather they used to submit to their rule and establish Jumu�ah and Eid prayers with their permission. Also, piety is not a pre-requisite for leadership. (Sharh al-Ghunaymi, p. 110).

Other scholars emphasize that uprising against corrupt leadership results in more tribulation and destruction then the initial oppression of the ruler. With forbearance and tolerance, one�s sins will be forgiven. And in reality, the corrupt ruler is imposed by Allah due to our own wrongdoings, thus it becomes necessary that we repent and seek Allah�s forgiveness coupled with good actions, as Allah Most High says: �Whatever misfortune happens to you, is because of the things your hands have wrought� (42:30)��.. And He says: �Thus do we make the wrongdoers turn to each other, because of what they earn� (6:129). Therefore, if a nation wants to free themselves from the oppression of their leader, they must refrain themselves from oppressing others.

However, if the ruler commands to do something that is a sin, then there is no obedience, as mentioned earlier in light of the many evidences found in the Sunnah.

Also, uprising and challenging a corrupt ruler becomes permissible when he openly transgresses in a way that his action is not open to any interpretation, provided one has the means to do so. (This was explained in detail in one of the earlier posts.

(See: http://www.daruliftaa.org/what_does_open_kufr_mean.htm)

As far as the actions of Sayyiduna Imam Husain (Allah be pleased with him) and his uprising against Yazid is concerned, firstly, it should be understood that according to the majority of scholars, the status of a heir to the throne (wali al-ahd) is only one of recommendation that requires approval from the nations prominent and influential figures after the demise of the Khalifa.

Qadhi Abu Ya�la al-Farra al-Hanbali states in his Ahkam al-Sultaniyya:

�It is permissible for a Khalifah to appoint a successor without the approval of those in power, as Abu Bakr appointed Umar (Allah be pleased with them both) as his successor without the backing and presence of the prominent figures of the community. The logical reason behind this is that appointing someone a successor to the throne is not appointing his a Khalifa, or else, there will be two Khalifas, thus there is no need for the influential people to be present. Yes, after the demise of the Khalifah, there presence and approval is necessary�.

He further states:

�Khilafah (leadership) is not established merely with the appointment of the Khalifa, rather (after his demise) it requires the approval of the Muslim Ummah� (al-Ahkam al-Sultaniyya, p. 9).

In view of the above, the majority of the Umma�s scholars are of the view that if a Khalifah or ruler appoints his successor without the approval of those in power, then this is permissible, but it will only serve as an suggestion. After his demise, the nation�s influential and powerful people have a right to accept his leadership or reject it.

Keeping this in mind, the leadership of Yazid was also subject to the same criterion other leaderships are. His leadership could not be established after the demise of Sayyiduna Mu�awiya (Allah be pleased with him) until it was approved by the major personalities of the nation.

Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) from the outset did not approve of Yazid being designated a leader. This was his personal opinion that was based on purely religious grounds and there was nothing wrong in holding this view.

After the demise of Sayyiduna Mu�awiya (Allah be pleased with him), Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) saw that the major personalities of Hijaz including Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) had not yet approved of Yazid�s leadership. Furthermore, he received heaps of letters from Iraq which made it clear that the people of Iraq had also not accepted Yazid as their leader. The letters clearly stated that they had not given their allegiance to anyone. (See: Tarikh al-Tabari, 4/262 & al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya, 8/151).

In such circumstances, Sayyiduna Husain�s (Allah be pleased with him) stand with regards to Yazid�s leadership was that the pledge of allegiance by the people of Sham can not be forced upon the rest of the Muslims. Therefore, his leadership was as yet not established.

In Sayyiduna Husain�s view, Yazid was a tyrant ruler who desired to overcome the Muslims, but was not yet able to do so. In such a circumstance, he considered his religious duty to prevent a tyrant ruler prevailing over the Muslim Ummah.

For this reason, Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) sent Muslim ibn Aqeel (Allah be pleased with him) to Kufa in order to investigate the truth about Yazid�s rule. His journey was not of an uprising nature, rather to discover the truth.

Had Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) thought that Yazid had imposed his rule and established his power all over the Muslim lands, the case would have been different. He would certainly have accepted his leadership without choice and would not have opposed it. But he thought that this was a tyrant ruler that had no authority as of yet, and can be stopped before he establishes his authority.

This is the reason why when he came close to Kufa and discovered that the inhabitants of Kufa have betrayed him and succumbed to Yazid�s rule, he suggested three things, of which one was �Or I give my hand in the hand of Yazid as a pledge of allegiance�. (See: Tarikh al-Tabari, 4/313).

This clearly shows that when Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) discovered that Yazid had established his authority, he agreed to accept him as a leader. However, Ubaid Allah ibn Ziyad was not ready to listen to Sayyiduna Husain and ordered him to come to him unconditionally. Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) was in no way obliged to obey his command and he also feared his life, thus had no option but to fight him. This was the beginning of the unfortunate incident of Karbala. (See, for details, Imam Tabari�s Tarikh al-Umam wa al-Muluk & Imam Ibn Kathir�s al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya).

In conclusion, it is impermissible to rebel against authority even if the ruler is oppressive or a sinner. The opposition of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) was due to the fact that Yazid�s rule had not yet been established and he intended to prevent his rule before it being established.

The position of Yazid

With regards to your second question that, is it permissible to curse Yazid?

Firstly, it must be remarked here that this is not an issue on which one�s Iman depends, nor will one be asked on the day of Judgement as to what opinion one held about Yazid. This is a trivial matter, thus many scholars have advised to abstain from indulging and discussing the issue and concentrate on the more immediate and important aspects of Deen.

Secondly, it should be understood that there is a general and accepted principle among the scholars that it is impermissible to curse a Muslim no matter how great of a sinner he is.

Imam Nawawi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

�Cursing an upright Muslim is unlawful (haram) by unanimous consensus of all Muslims. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �Cursing a believer is like killing him� (Sahih al-Bukhari).

As far as the sinners are concerned, it is permissible (but not rewarded) to curse them in a general manner, such as saying �Allah curse the corrupt� or Allah curse the oppressors� and so forth. It has been narrated in many narrations that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) cursed sinners in a general manner. However, to curse a particular person who commits some act of disobedience, such as oppression, murder, adultery, etc, there is a difference of opinion. The Majority of Scholars Including Imam al-Ghazali hold the view that this is impermissible.

Yes, it will be permissible to curse a person regarding whom it has been decisively established that he died on disbelief (kufr), such as Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, Pharaoh, Haman and their likes. (See: al-Adhkar by Imam Nawawi & Reliance of the traveller, P. 772-773).

In view of the above, if it is established that Yazid died as a non-Believer or he regarded the killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) permissible and died without repentance, then it would be permissible to curse him. However, it this is not established, then it would not be permissible.

Indeed some scholars did curse him (Sa`d al-Din al-Taftazani, for example, See: Sharh al-Aqa�id al-Nasafiyya, P. 2845), but the majority of the Ulama have cautioned against cursing him. Firstly, because it has not been decisively established that Yazid himself killed or ordered the unfortunate killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah have mercy on him). There are some reports that he expressed his remorse on the actions of his associates, and even if he did, then murder and other sins do not necessitate Kufr.

Imam al-Ghazali (Allah have mercy on him) states that it is even impermissible to say that Yazid killed or ordered the killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) let alone curse him, as attributing a Muslim to a sin without decisive evidence is not permissible. (See: Sharh Bad al-Amali by Mulla Ali al-Qari, P. 123-125).

He further states:

�If it is established that a Muslim killed a fellow Muslim, then the understanding of the people of truth is that he does not become a Kafir. Killing is not disbelief, rather a grave sin. It could also be that a killer may have repented before death. If a disbeliever dies after repentance, then it is impermissible to curse him, then how could it be permissible to curse a Muslim who may have repented from his sin. And we are unaware whether the killer of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) died before or after repentance�. (ibid).

All of the above, whilst keeping in mind that (when cursing becomes permissible), it is not something that is obligatory (fard), necessary (wajib) or recommended (mandub). It only falls into the category of permissibility (mubah).

Therefore, it would best be to abstain from cursing Yazid, as there is no reward in cursing him, rather one should abstain from discussing about him altogether and concentrate on more practical aspects of Deen. May Allah Almighty give us the true understanding of Deen, Ameen.

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari, UK


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So your suggestion that Wahabis are alone on this issue is a joke. These opinions about Yaziid and Mucaawiya existed well before cabdu wahab or ibn taymiyya

The sufi guy makes the correct point about Yaziid not establishing his power just yet. Still, Yaziid was the right amir .

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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:12 am

That video is absolute propaganda. Most of the sahaba alive, including ibn cumar )(or was it ibn cabbas, dont remember) pledged allegiance to Mucaawiya. Yaziid was personally a mujrim, but the state he controlled was still an islamic state. The shariica was still in tact. These rafaawid pledge allegiance to men who openly violate the shariica of allah.

The sheikh said NOTHING wrong in that video. Everything he said then is in line with Sunni Islamic thought.
your still making proboganda when your sayind under yazeeed he in controll some kind a islamic state? NO SXB YAZIIID was the leader of failed state and even hes father mucaawiya was too the leader of failed state because of muslims were in civil war killing eachother


AND how can you say yazeed time sharia was in tact, thats agains pure proboganda yazeed time there was no sharia because yazeed himself according imaam shaafici ( yazeeed) was alkohol dricker and murdare too bacause he kills not only hussein, but he kills even children of hussien. what kind of islamic sharia state is that?


not only yazeed even hes father mucaaawiya had no islamic state or shariica law because, mucaaawiya was fighting cali because of he wanted to become the ruler madaxweyne i dhahaaay, khaliif i dhahaay qabiilkeeyga laandheere bin umayad . power-struggle like laandheere USC VS SNM VS SSDF.

mucaaawiya took in controll shaaam suuriya, and cali rc was in controll hijaaas mucaawiya was fighting cali because of mucaawiya wanted to become( president) khaliifa( bakuhaana).

marka after yazeeed xukunkiii dawlada waxaa qabsadey qabiilka la yiraahdo UMAYADIIINTA iyagaana iska dhaxli jirey ilaaa 100 sano wax ka baddan ilaa ay qabiil kale cabaasiyiin la yiraahdo ay yimaadeen. marka arrinta ay wahabiyada ka dhigaan golden age of islam ee ah xukuumadihiii caliphateka waxba kama duwaneeyn xukuumadahaas KIM IL JOUNG north korea ee markuu dhinto wiilkiisa uu ka dhaxlo. dhinaca kalena shareeeco islaam maaha tuugo gacanta laga jaro, waqtigaaa about 1400 sharciyada dunidan ka jirey xitaaaa BUDIISTAHA qofkii wax xadaa gacanta ayey ka gooyn jireen waayo xabsiyo ma aysan jiri jirin.

marka dad qabiiil xukun doon ahaaa ayaad HOLY MEN KA DHIGTAAAN dadkii noolaaaa 1400 sano ka hor marka laga saaro rasuulka scw, iyo 4 ku xigeeen, wixii ka danbeeyey ee reer umayad waxay ahaayeen dad qabiilkooda u jihaada xukun doon ah ee u dagaalama inay WIIILASHOODA KA DHAXLAAN XUKUNKA DAWLADA.

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Re: Shias attacking muslims in medina !

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:23 am

SUFI VIEW ON YAZIID AND XUSSEIN FITNAH

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp? ... 2&CATE=164


In view of this statement, what is the Islamic verdict on Imam Hussain's (radiyAllahu-Anhu) rebellion against the corrupt leadership of Yazeed? Was this permissible according to the Shariah? Also, what view should Muslims hold of Yazeed. I notice Shia often curse him. Is this allowed?

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

The answer to your question will be given in two parts. The first deals with Sayyiduna Husain�s (Allah be pleased with him) uprising against the leadership of Yazid, and the second deals with the opinion of Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama�ah regarding Yazid.

As far as the first question is concerned, it is an accepted fact among the Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama�ah that to challenge authority is generally not permissible



MELO ABOUT PEOPLE OF KUFA :shock: your blaiming the killings of hussein and hes children not yezeed but people of kuffa. :roll:

thats wahaabi excuse again. XUSEEEN fled for hes life. he run away to kuffa ciraaaaq, from xijaaaz. people of makka did not defend xuseeen, he run away for hes live, he knew yazeed is going to kill him, and yazeeed he come after him to kuffa and yes he killed him, he and hes children.

like people of makah could not defend xuseen also people of kuffa could not because of powerfull army of binu umayad clan whichs yazeeed army





and people of kuffa was civilians they can not defend invading army.. yazeed army they did not kill only hussein but they killed even hes children young as 1 years old subxaana allah.

and you dont blame that yazeed but people he run away kuffa. how stupid is this walaahi.

believe in the time of hussein shiica did not exist.. all shiica was formed purely after xuseen and hes children most disgusting way, because of unger the ay dareemeen people of kuffaaa and other places shiicisim was born in that time.


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