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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby ZubeirAwal » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:54 pm

Thanks for the Info MidiGreez, i was watching a documentary presented by Sheikh Abdulhakim quick about the islamic history of ethiopia, he went to harar and stuff and eventually in the end he visited the mosque and the tomb holding area of King Negus, there was this habashi muslim guy speaking to him in arabic, i believe that place is in eritrea? Axum?

Do you know it's also said that the sahaba or someone crossed Zeila in Somaliland because there are remains of a mosque called Masjid'Al-Qibla'atain because the qibla of that mosque faces directly at jersualem indicating that muslims were there before the prophet (SAW) conquered Makkah.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby Meyle » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:03 pm

Thanks for the Info MidiGreez, i was watching a documentary presented by Sheikh Abdulhakim quick about the islamic history of ethiopia, he went to harar and stuff and eventually in the end he visited the mosque and the tomb holding area of King Negus, there was this habashi muslim guy speaking to him in arabic, i believe that place is in eritrea? Axum?

Do you know it's also said that the sahaba or someone crossed Zeila in Somaliland because there are remains of a mosque called Masjid'Al-Qibla'atain because the qibla of that mosque faces directly at jersualem indicating that muslims were there before the prophet (SAW) conquered Makkah.
Some of the companions of the prophet and some of his relatives travelled to Yemen (Hadramaut) after the prophets death and some of the crossed the sea and reached Seylac (Zeila). Some settled in Seylac and some of them setlled through out northern Somalia aswell as the rest of Somalia. Prior to that though, the Sahabas travelled to Eritrea inorder to escape persecution and some of their descendants have been living there ever since. I think the prophets daughter settled in Eritrea.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby ZubeirAwal » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:04 pm

The northern coast of Somaliland is scattered of white domed shrines some have care-takers some are deserted, it's mysterious.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby Meyle » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:18 pm

The northern coast of Somaliland is scattered of white domed shrines some have care-takers some are deserted, it's mysterious.
I think some of the shrines were there before the Sahabas reached our coast. A real excavation supervised and controlled by a Somali authority can only give us some clues on what took place in the northern parts of the country in historic times. During the 70's, American and British archaeologists found artifacts like gold, jewelry, pottery, weapons etc. from Ancient Egypt dating back to the 5th dynasty, 15th dynasty and the 18th dynasty. Even artifacts from Hellenistic Greece, Romans , Phoenicians and Persians.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby ZubeirAwal » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:21 pm

The northern coast of Somaliland is scattered of white domed shrines some have care-takers some are deserted, it's mysterious.
I think some of the shrines were there before the Sahabas reached our coast. A real excavation supervised and controlled by a Somali authority can only give us some clues on what took place in the northern parts of the country in historic times. During the 70's, American and British archaeologists found artifacts like gold, jewelry, pottery, weapons etc. from Ancient Egypt dating back to the 5th dynasty, 15th dynasty and the 18th dynasty. Even artifacts from Hellenistic Greece, Romans , Phoenicians and Persians.
Then why are these shrines decorated in Islamic fashion, and even the graveyard outside that holds the people who lived in that time, the tomb stones have arabic name incarvings on them, i saw these myself when i went to the tomb of someone known as 'Yusuf Al-Kownayn' said to be the teacher who teached somalis recitation.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby Meyle » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:25 pm

The northern coast of Somaliland is scattered of white domed shrines some have care-takers some are deserted, it's mysterious.
I think some of the shrines were there before the Sahabas reached our coast. A real excavation supervised and controlled by a Somali authority can only give us some clues on what took place in the northern parts of the country in historic times. During the 70's, American and British archaeologists found artifacts like gold, jewelry, pottery, weapons etc. from Ancient Egypt dating back to the 5th dynasty, 15th dynasty and the 18th dynasty. Even artifacts from Hellenistic Greece, Romans , Phoenicians and Persians.
Then why are these shrines decorated in Islamic fashion, and even the graveyard outside that holds the people who lived in that time, the tomb stones have arabic name incarvings on them, i saw these myself when i went to the tomb of someone known as 'Yusuf Al-Kownayn' said to be the teacher who teached somalis recitation.

I said some and not all of them. If you're one of those Somalis that think our history started when few Sahabas reached our shores, then you definitely need to study history.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby DonCorleone » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:25 pm

DOES HE REALLY HAVE A SOMALI GRANDMother... Never head of a Somali obsessed with ethiopian culture..



Maybe he's a spy...

Also if he's Ethiopian Amhara mulsim ( never heard of that :shock: .)

He should help free his oromo and somali muslim brothers and sisters from amhara christian oppression.

Also Somalis were first muslims in Africa true fact.
His story seems fishy,

also why the hell does he have Somali artifacts?? Where would he get it from if he is barley somali????? What the heck


fishy story...

I think he is a thief.

Also LOL @ Somali assimilating oromos, that will never happen. But I do believe we are the dominant group on the Horn.

No they weren't. some of the Bani amer Tigre were among the first believers ( they escorted the sahaba to the king) who later became part of the jeberti group and lived in debarwa.

Beware of ethiopians claiming somali/Eritrean backgrounds lately, they always say it to Eritreans and somali's, they have the need top claim something else to feel that they are accepted, if i would get a nickel for every ethiopian that told me he had a non ethiopian ancestory i would be rich by now.
To get to Ethiopia you have to pass through Northern Somalia+Djibouti.

Also Somalis had muslim kingdoms/sultantes

Where were the Tirgre sultantes???????? :?

You don't need to tell me to beware of the Ethios.......I already know......such fakes. :down:

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby Arabmann » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:26 pm

some of the Bani amer Tigre were among the first believers ( they escorted the sahaba to the king) who later became part of the jeberti group and lived in debarwa.
Was the king (Negash?) base in Eritrea?

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby MidriGeez » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:48 pm

Midrigeez,

Are the Tigray and Tigre in Eritrea related to the ones in Ethiopia and other Habeshas in Ethiopia?

No they are not. The tigrigna of eritrea and tigre of eritrea are the same but one lives in the highland and one lives in the lowland. the ethiopian habesh have a completely different ancestory and history as well. even the features of eritreans and ethiopians are indication sometimes. Eritreans Tigre and tigrigna behaves exactly like their ancestors 3000 years ago the himyarites agazians and the habesh of ethiopia do the same like hadramut yemeni. I read a book titled the ancient tribes of yemen and i could've swore most of the horn today was a repeat.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby Meyle » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:06 pm

Midrigeez,

Are the Tigray and Tigre in Eritrea related to the ones in Ethiopia and other Habeshas in Ethiopia?

No they are not. The tigrigna of eritrea and tigre of eritrea are the same but one lives in the highland and one lives in the lowland. the ethiopian habesh have a completely different ancestory and history as well. even the features of eritreans and ethiopians are indication sometimes. Eritreans Tigre and tigrigna behaves exactly like their ancestors 3000 years ago the himyarites agazians and the habesh of ethiopia do the same like hadramut yemeni. I read a book titled the ancient tribes of yemen and i could've swore most of the horn today was a repeat.

Why are they both labeled as Habesha though? If they dont share history and ancestory... I heard that the Tigray and Tigre in Eritrea have a small amount of Beja and Afar/Saho ancestry aswell while the Tigray and Amhara in Ethiopia have small amounts Oromo and Agaw ancestry.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby MidriGeez » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:39 am

DOES HE REALLY HAVE A SOMALI GRANDMother... Never head of a Somali obsessed with ethiopian culture..



Maybe he's a spy...

Also if he's Ethiopian Amhara mulsim ( never heard of that :shock: .)

He should help free his oromo and somali muslim brothers and sisters from amhara christian oppression.

Also Somalis were first muslims in Africa true fact.
His story seems fishy,

also why the hell does he have Somali artifacts?? Where would he get it from if he is barley somali????? What the heck


fishy story...

I think he is a thief.

Also LOL @ Somali assimilating oromos, that will never happen. But I do believe we are the dominant group on the Horn.

No they weren't. some of the Bani amer Tigre were among the first believers ( they escorted the sahaba to the king) who later became part of the jeberti group and lived in debarwa.

Beware of ethiopians claiming somali/Eritrean backgrounds lately, they always say it to Eritreans and somali's, they have the need top claim something else to feel that they are accepted, if i would get a nickel for every ethiopian that told me he had a non ethiopian ancestory i would be rich by now.
To get to Ethiopia you have to pass through Northern Somalia+Djibouti.

Also Somalis had muslim kingdoms/sultantes

Where were the Tirgre sultantes???????? :?

You don't need to tell me to beware of the Ethios.......I already know......such fakes. :down:
there were three waves of shaba migration according to the narration.
the first wave went through massawa where the first mosque in islam was build (ras midri mosque) by the sahaba, its still standing today and i prayed many times eid paryers there. the original qibla was towards quds so today when you pray you pray across the moaque towards mecca. the first wave included 70 odd sahaba including the daughter prophet and osman bin affan RA.
the second wave was through the port of Zula IN ERITREA few months after.
the third wave was a year or two after.

All waves took a different route towards debarwa. Eritrea's national language at that time was tigre whether it was on the coast or the highland tigrigna was on the evolution and was just a dialect spoken. in the south afar and saho was spoken and in port towns like zula both tigre and afar were spoken. The tigre had many kingdoms belzin was one when the sahaba crossed as narrations state they were met by bani amer Tigre from the coasts of eritrea and the sahaba were escorted all the way to Debarwa.

I am talking about early 600's A.D AND THE sahaba migration, the arab going to north somaliland and ziela took part hundreds of years after. Among one narrations that the daughter of the prophet (Raqiya R.A) had a daughter who lived in Eritrea and married a local and died and was buried there.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby MidriGeez » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:53 am

some of the Bani amer Tigre were among the first believers ( they escorted the sahaba to the king) who later became part of the jeberti group and lived in debarwa.
Was the king (Negash?) base in Eritrea?
There was 2 Kings. since axumite was a federation between the agazians and the habesh north ethiopians axumite was divided into 5 kingdoms. 4 Inside Eritrea which had the sea king as their overall king and the fifth in northern ethiopia which had a habesh king. the four kingdom under the sea negus of eritrea were the belzin (Tigre and beja today), adulite (afar and some saho) and the djinn kingdom (a coastal coastal kingdom all the way to east sudan) and Midri bahri (today Tigrigna people of eritrea). each 4 kingdoms had their own ruler but reported to the Midri bahri king which at that time was ashrem al abher, in north ethiopia they had their own king who had subject only to northern ethiopia and part of amhara area's. he called himself king of kings but that was just a labell (like ethiopians today calling themselves chosen people) hence the union was broken up between the 4 kingdoms in eritrea and northern ethiopia shortly after because the Ethiopian kings were intruding into the adulite kingdom annexing land and subjecting the local population for tax, so when the adulite king/governor reported that to his king which was the midri bahri king was started to protect the adulite kingdom and the ethiopian king was defeated so did the axumite union collapsed. the whole army of the axumite was made up from the 4 kingdoms in eritrea which is why ethiopians went into dark ages for hundreds of years when axumite collapsed they could barely defend themselves. Ashrem al abher the king who recieved the sahaba was the sea king of the 4 eritrean kingdoms at that time and he lived for many decades at his capital debarwa. his grave is still there, i think omar al bashir president of sudan recently went there for a visit as well so did amir of qatar few years ago.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby MidriGeez » Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:14 am

Midrigeez,

Are the Tigray and Tigre in Eritrea related to the ones in Ethiopia and other Habeshas in Ethiopia?

No they are not. The tigrigna of eritrea and tigre of eritrea are the same but one lives in the highland and one lives in the lowland. the ethiopian habesh have a completely different ancestory and history as well. even the features of eritreans and ethiopians are indication sometimes. Eritreans Tigre and tigrigna behaves exactly like their ancestors 3000 years ago the himyarites agazians and the habesh of ethiopia do the same like hadramut yemeni. I read a book titled the ancient tribes of yemen and i could've swore most of the horn today was a repeat.

Why are they both labeled as Habesha though? If they dont share history and ancestory... I heard that the Tigray and Tigre in Eritrea have a small amount of Beja and Afar/Saho ancestry aswell while the Tigray and Amhara in Ethiopia have small amounts Oromo and Agaw ancestry.
Yes all were labelled as habesha in general by some arabs, even somali who were under the control of ethiopian king were labelled as habesh, its like saying europeans but we know many different nation lives in europe, but the arabs still knew who were habesh/agazians/afar/somali etc. Tigre and tigrigna of eritrea are of beja background, the tigre are semitic speaking beja while the tigrigna of eritrea came from tigre. the tigrayans are of habesh and agew background same with amhara although depending of where the amhara are from many also have oromo background. Do not call Biher tigrigna of Eritrea as Tigrayans its completly wrong classification and offensive to them, look at the words Tigrigna=Tigre + gna or yna means belonging to or a broken branch. Tig+ Raya is completely different, its actually an arabic word stemming from "Tigara(y)" or Trade given to the area in the 16th century by yemeni merchants, the ethiopians actually thought it gave them association with the Tigre tribes across the border so they went along with it. (idiots) Later changing it to Tig-ray, raya are oromo/agew stocks who came to live in tigray, how could you say be of agew/oromo stock but a tigre??? lol today to confuse matter they would tell other ethiopians to call them "tigre" and call eritreans tigrigna who are the closest to tigre as tigrayans.loool Try it sometimes when you meet an ethiopian and he would tell you he is tigrigna, tell him you mean you are Tigrayan and watch his face, its like telling him I know who you are don't try to hide behind other words. All eritrean Tigrigna and tigre have qabil and clans system while the tigrayans have none so they would just tell you which town in ethiopia they are from, while the eritrean tigrigna and tigre have a tribe and clans and sub clans although are very secretive about it opposite to somali for example, they have to really trust you to tell you that. so the easiest way to bust an ethiopian tigrayan pretending to be eritrean is to ask him which town he is from in eritrea and when he replies tell him i have an eritrean friend from the same town what is your clan/family name and watch his admission if he is tigrayan, if he gets edgy about it and only give you his family name without the clan name then know he is most likely eritrean and being honest since like i said they are abit secretive about their clans so a family name would be given.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby sexy-kitten » Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:00 pm

the shocking part is that he is Amharic Ethiopian, the people we are suppose to hate the most, I just can't bring myself to hate him, he is really religious and does not get into politics with me at all, and at first it was the elephant in the room when we first meet but now I have gotten to know him the politics is really the last thing on my mind. The thing is I show no interest for Ethiopian culture, Amharic to be specific, but...

Who told you to hate them? Do you not have a mind of your own? "hate" is such a strong word. Somali politics n Habesha politics dont see eye to eye but they still get along for the most part outside of politics. We are more than our government.....


No need to hate a tribe/country cuz ur tribesmen dont like them. Your friend didnt ask to be Amharic, which is why he never engages in political discussions with u.

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Re: My Ethiopian friend is obsessed with Somali culture

Postby Arabmann » Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:28 pm

There was 2 Kings. since axumite was a federation between the agazians and the habesh north ethiopians axumite was divided into 5 kingdoms. 4 Inside Eritrea which had the sea king as their overall king and the fifth in northern ethiopia which had a habesh king. the four kingdom under the sea negus of eritrea were the belzin (Tigre and beja today), adulite (afar and some saho) and the djinn kingdom (a coastal coastal kingdom all the way to east sudan) and Midri bahri (today Tigrigna people of eritrea). each 4 kingdoms had their own ruler but reported to the Midri bahri king which at that time was ashrem al abher, in north ethiopia they had their own king who had subject only to northern ethiopia and part of amhara area's. he called himself king of kings but that was just a labell (like ethiopians today calling themselves chosen people) hence the union was broken up between the 4 kingdoms in eritrea and northern ethiopia shortly after because the Ethiopian kings were intruding into the adulite kingdom annexing land and subjecting the local population for tax, so when the adulite king/governor reported that to his king which was the midri bahri king was started to protect the adulite kingdom and the ethiopian king was defeated so did the axumite union collapsed. the whole army of the axumite was made up from the 4 kingdoms in eritrea which is why ethiopians went into dark ages for hundreds of years when axumite collapsed they could barely defend themselves. Ashrem al abher the king who recieved the sahaba was the sea king of the 4 eritrean kingdoms at that time and he lived for many decades at his capital debarwa. his grave is still there, i think omar al bashir president of sudan recently went there for a visit as well so did amir of qatar few years ago.
Thanks for the clarification. :up:


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