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Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

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How many of you believe the holocaust took place with extermination and gassing and all.

1- Yes
12
44%
2-No
15
56%
 
Total votes: 27

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby NoAngst. » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:32 pm

The number of 6 million is just a number the love to use , but one thing the holocaust industery can never challenege is to produce evidence , like they claim there was gassing chambers where Zaylcon-B was used to gass people to death , no traces of that gass has ever been proven on many tests done in all concentration camps. Another problem facing the holocaust myth is the logistics of killing 6 million people , you have to kill and then get rid of the corpses, they claim around 10,000 people were killed daily and cremated of course with no evidenc, the cremation facilities at all the "death camps" could only process 2 /3 per day, just average ceremorty designed for natural death.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There many legitimate reasons why there are no "hard evidence" of Z-B gas use such as traces at the camps. For one, the NAZIS meticulously went about covering all evidence of their actions when they realized the gig was up from burning cremas and gas chambers to exhuming the dead and then burning their remains while on other occasions using bone-crushing machines and then dispersing the crushed remains on fields. But the evidence for gas chambers is unassailable. There are multiple lines of evidence from Nazi documents to eyewitness accounts to material evidence such as holes in gas chambers where gas canisters were dropped.


those Jew who push this profitable myth have produced lots of Jewish "eye witness" who claim they have seen people been gassed , but in reality most of them never seen these things, ts all hersay.
It is dishonest of you to dismiss eyewitnesses as "Jewish" and therefore unreliable. Some eyewitnesses were Jewish others not but all their accounts corroborated each other which renders their testimony highly reliable.

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby NoAngst. » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:46 pm

Thug about 8300 people a day needs to be killed in a two year span to reach 6million.
Sounds doable doesn't it,but that would mean around the clock with vast ovens in place
incineration, needs about 1800 F-2100 F ( 950-1100C ) over 1-2 hours When you factor with a 12 hour working day How may then
Actually towards they end of the war they became super-efficient and could cremate more than 20,000 a day. There are accounts of Sonderkammando (Jews who cremated fellow Jews on the promise that they may be allowed to live) and body guards attesting to this.

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby X.Playa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:57 pm

The number of 6 million is just a number the love to use , but one thing the holocaust industery can never challenege is to produce evidence , like they claim there was gassing chambers where Zaylcon-B was used to gass people to death , no traces of that gass has ever been proven on many tests done in all concentration camps. Another problem facing the holocaust myth is the logistics of killing 6 million people , you have to kill and then get rid of the corpses, they claim around 10,000 people were killed daily and cremated of course with no evidenc, the cremation facilities at all the "death camps" could only process 2 /3 per day, just average ceremorty designed for natural death.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There many legitimate reasons why there are no "hard evidence" of Z-B gas use such as traces at the camps. For one, the NAZIS meticulously went about covering all evidence of their actions when they realized the gig was up from burning cremas and gas chambers to exhuming the dead and then burning their remains while on other occasions using bone-crushing machines and then dispersing the crushed remains on fields. But the evidence for gas chambers is unassailable. There are multiple lines of evidence from Nazi documents to eyewitness accounts to material evidence such as holes in gas chambers where gas canisters were dropped.


those Jew who push this profitable myth have produced lots of Jewish "eye witness" who claim they have seen people been gassed , but in reality most of them never seen these things, ts all hersay.
It is dishonest of you to dismiss eyewitnesses as "Jewish" and therefore unreliable. Some eyewitnesses were Jewish others not but all their accounts corroborated each other which renders their testimony highly reliable.

Any evidence for your claim, or you just trying to justify the lack of forensic evidence ,"
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
fancifull word crafts but it really means shit, if there is no evidence then there is no evidence. you claim alot of things care to tell me what your soruces are for the lack of tracses of Z-B ? also care to give us any evidence for the existence of gass chambers , so far the best expert on gass chamber the American gass chambers expert ( as only Amwerica has such expertise since they have been gassing people for almost a century) concluded that in all these death camps no gassing could took place for the simple reason for the designs of these claimed gass chambers, these were de-liceing rooms where cloths and blankets were gassed nothing more nothing less.,

Finally we can dismiss so called eye witness under close examination if their claim doesn't make sense and most of them don't make sense at all, they make stupid statment like ..soap bars made out of human fat , hairs were used for mattresses fancifull things, one eye witness and one of the best was asked how after 2000 getting gasseed in a basement were their boddies taken to the cremetoriums in the 2nd floor, he said we used a simple cane/stick with a noose at the end and dragged eatch individual by his neck to the second floor, and how many people did this ? he claimed oh 2 capos , and how where they cerematee? he said simply we just thrrew them in cremation shaft 3/4 at the time and they burned in 20/20 miniutes ( 1 human takes at least 3 hours to burn)... facts facts facts if the eye witness conteradicts the laws of logic and phyisics , he is lying and he can be dismissed and 99% of the so called holocaust survivors are fraud.

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby KingBlack » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:00 pm

Holocaust is fake like xmas and easter holidayas fake ass holocaust never happen it was a hollywood movie ,150 million black ppl died during slavery do u see black crying now thy move on big deal 300,000 jews died during world war 2 and Hitler is da founding father of the state of Israel no hilter = no israelie state

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby Thuganomics » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:16 pm

Looks like the No's' have it

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby NoAngst. » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:23 pm

Any evidence for your claim, or you just trying to justify the lack of forensic evidence ,
Here is a 2004 study the found traces of Cynide (ZykloN-B) in the gas chambers but none in the living quarters:

"The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable period of time (over 45 years) in the walls of the facilities which once were in contact with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts of the combinations of this constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is also true of the ruins of the former gas chambers. The cyanide compounds occur in the building materials only locally, in the places where the conditions arose for their formation and persistence for such a long time. In his reasoning Leuchter (2) claims that the vestigial amounts of cyanide combinations detected by him in the materials from the chamber ruins are residues left after fumigations carried out in the Camp "once, long ago"(Item 14.004 of the Report). This is refuted by the negative results of the examination of the control samples from living quarters, which are said to have been subjected to a single gassing, and the fact that in the period of fumigation of the Camp in connection with a typhoid epidemic in mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in the Birkenau Camp. The first crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to use as late as 15 March 1943 and the others several months later."

Source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... port.shtml




Finally we can dismiss so called eye witness under close examination if their claim doesn't make sense and most of them don't make sense at all, they make stupid statment like ..soap bars made out of human fat , hairs were used for mattresses fancifull things, one eye witness and one of the best was asked how after 2000 getting gasseed in a basement were their boddies taken to the cremetoriums in the 2nd floor, he said we used a simple cane/stick with a noose at the end and dragged eatch individual by his neck to the second floor, and how many people did this ? he claimed oh 2 capos , and how where they cerematee? he said simply we just thrrew them in cremation shaft 3/4 at the time and they burned in 20/20 miniutes ( 1 human takes at least 3 hours to burn)... facts facts facts if the eye witness conteradicts the laws of logic and phyisics , he is lying and he can be dismissed and 99% of the so called holocaust survivors are fraud.

I don't know about soap bars from human fat and frankly it is tangential to the issue at hand. I'm specifically talking about whether gas chambers existed or not. On that specific point, the eyewitness accounts are reliable because they're corroborated by other lines of evidence like notes/memos of prison guards, official government documents, arial photos of allied forces that show holes on roofs of cremas where gas canisters where administered and so on. All these independent lines of evidence agreeing with each other is as good as gold in my sane people's eyes. You're blinded by prejudice. Take off your blinkers and look at the evidence objectively.

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby Eaglehawk » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:24 pm

david ervin is the historian i listen to. when i want to know more about "the holocaust"

I believe there was a holocaust against germans of east prussia and a genocide against the people of dresden

blood libal is a jewish tradition, remember when the old somali tribe yibir accused the somali race fo a crime and until this day the aji somali pay mag to former jewish somalis who professed the jewish faith named the yibir

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby X.Playa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:35 pm

Any evidence for your claim, or you just trying to justify the lack of forensic evidence ,
Here is a 2004 study the found traces of Cynide (ZykloN-B) in the gas chambers but none in the living quarters:

"The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable period of time (over 45 years) in the walls of the facilities which once were in contact with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts of the combinations of this constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is also true of the ruins of the former gas chambers. The cyanide compounds occur in the building materials only locally, in the places where the conditions arose for their formation and persistence for such a long time. In his reasoning Leuchter (2) claims that the vestigial amounts of cyanide combinations detected by him in the materials from the chamber ruins are residues left after fumigations carried out in the Camp "once, long ago"(Item 14.004 of the Report). This is refuted by the negative results of the examination of the control samples from living quarters, which are said to have been subjected to a single gassing, and the fact that in the period of fumigation of the Camp in connection with a typhoid epidemic in mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in the Birkenau Camp. The first crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to use as late as 15 March 1943 and the others several months later."

Source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... port.shtml




Finally we can dismiss so called eye witness under close examination if their claim doesn't make sense and most of them don't make sense at all, they make stupid statment like ..soap bars made out of human fat , hairs were used for mattresses fancifull things, one eye witness and one of the best was asked how after 2000 getting gasseed in a basement were their boddies taken to the cremetoriums in the 2nd floor, he said we used a simple cane/stick with a noose at the end and dragged eatch individual by his neck to the second floor, and how many people did this ? he claimed oh 2 capos , and how where they cerematee? he said simply we just thrrew them in cremation shaft 3/4 at the time and they burned in 20/20 miniutes ( 1 human takes at least 3 hours to burn)... facts facts facts if the eye witness conteradicts the laws of logic and phyisics , he is lying and he can be dismissed and 99% of the so called holocaust survivors are fraud.

I don't know about soap bars from human fat and frankly it is tangential to the issue at hand. I'm specifically talking about whether gas chambers existed or not. On that specific point, the eyewitness accounts are reliable because they're corroborated by other lines of evidence like notes/memos of prison guards, official government documents, arial photos of allied forces that show holes on roofs of cremas where gas canisters where administered and so on. All these independent lines of evidence agreeing with each other is as good as gold in my sane people's eyes. You're blinded by prejudice. Take off your blinkers and look at the evidence objectively.

When one normally asks for a prove of a test he means a unbias and impartial result by a third agency not by the Jews Holocaust industry porponents , the study you just showed me is a bias study , its one of their organizations that did the study and of course that can not be taken as a legitimate tests, when i further read the paper there is no clear cut conlsuion , was the Z-B that was found was the Z-B that was used for fumigation (cloths , blankets to kill lice) or was it to kill people , no test can seprate the tow.

Before we even go into gass and its reside and test and other logtistics for death, lets examin Auschwitz, now in that camp the holocaust industery claimed at first 4.5 million people were killed and processed there , now can you show us an eveidence of a gass chamber at that site alone, so far there was non, the only gass chambers in that camp was the one room that was used to fumigate cloths , there and that alone debunk the entire fancifull case of the holocaust industry, eye witness means nothing people do lie all that time, but rocks and building don't lie and can't lie .

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby Thuganomics » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:07 pm

Angst if all these facts are exactly that,facts.Why then are the Zionists so opposed to a comprehensive unbiased study.Which would put paid to these so called Holocausts Deniers.They would have nothing to loose and everything to gain

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby jalaaludin5 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:38 pm

I do not believe for a second that 6 million died. I believe that there were more gypsy that died in the hand of the Nazis than Jews.

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby Executive » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:44 pm

u seem to be good at debunking "facts", can you please research 911?

please and thank you!
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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby gedo_gurl » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:10 pm

Siyaad Barre was elected President in a secret ballot, his government never committed any of the heinous crimes people claim they did. Any of the so called evidence of that was compiled in Hollywood by the evil US who wanted to invade and steal our resources.

The same is said for the Rwandan so called genocide which also never took place, what you saw on TV was African farmers rushing to get to work on time with their tools. Cambodia too for that matter. Human beings are not capable of genocide at all, there is even evidence that they use the same skulls and bones. Some of the skulls were tested and it was later discovered that they came from human like apes because people never die.

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby jalaaludin5 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:25 pm

Siyaad Barre was elected President in a secret ballot, his government never committed any of the heinous crimes people claim they did
Actually Siyyad Bare left Somalia on the eve of the snm & usc invasion on private plane owned by Hugh Hefner and has been living in his mansion ever since.

If you take a look at the picture below, you'll see at the back Siyyad Bare himself working as a valet on Hugh Hefner's mansion.
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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby gedo_gurl » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:30 pm

No way! Who are you trying to fool with that pic?! I am 100% certain that he had re-constructive surgery and is now Hugo Chaves. This whole 'cancer' scam is actually all his ageing organs failing him. There was this great youtube video where they compared their hands but the establishment couldnt hack the idea of us finding out and had it removed. I hope someone saved the screenshot.

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Re: Is the Holocaust a fact or a fiction and why ?

Postby jalaaludin5 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:33 pm

No way! Who are you trying to fool with that pic?! I am 100% certain that he had re-constructive surgery and is now Hugo Chaves. This whole 'cancer' scam is actually all his ageing organs failing him. There was this great youtube video where they compared their hands but the establishment couldnt hack the idea of us finding out and had it removed. I hope someone saved the screenshot.
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