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WHAT DOES MAD MAC AND SADAM HAVE IN COMMON?

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WHAT DOES MAD MAC AND SADAM HAVE IN COMMON?

Postby TZ Somali » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:31 am

Sadam is dancing to his own tunes just as he has force many innocent iraqis in his rule, put that aside i don't think sadam will get a fair trial. first and foremost the court has no any international legal credibility to try sadam, this is beacuse under international law the war that gave birth to this iraqi court was itself illegal by every legal sense. but im surfice to say Sadam will have to face the very many justice he has denied countless of his fellow iraqis; but atleast in a court of law that has in my view overwhelming recognition by international community and more the iraqis themselves, not in Kangaroo court a bypass product of American and its "Coalition of the Wiling".
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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:36 am

Poor guy, my heart is bleeding for him.

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Postby TZ Somali » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:38 am

[quote="MAD MAC"]Poor guy, my heart is bleeding for him.[/quote]


I assume that means i love it in pure american english.

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:59 am

No. It means some things are superfluous. Trying Saddam for crimes against humanity is like issuing a speeding ticket to AJ Foyte at the indy 500.

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Postby TZ Somali » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:18 am

[quote="MAD MAC"]No. It means some things are superfluous. Trying Saddam for crimes against humanity is like issuing a speeding ticket to AJ Foyte at the indy 500.[/quote]


True but Im sure given america's support of Sadam during the allege period of Massacare and rampant human right abuse. No doubt anyone with a shred of intelligence and logic will assert America is guilty by association. Sadam took power with the conjuction of a America's political and material blessings.

How come the sigficants of Iraqis human right has only become an issue now ?

Where was America back in 88-89 when he was gassing the kurdish population of Halabja with chemicals obtained from a Virginia petro-chemical firm?

Anyone with a conceivable shred of brain will assert the trial of Sadam with regards to the human right violations in the current court its utter farce, no doubt as i have imply before Sadam is guilty for the violaton of basic human rights fundemental, so do the Americans.

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:25 am

"Guilt by association", in case you didn't know it, is legally not a crime.

The US was engaged in a very difficult cold war, in which sometimes we had to associate and support unsavory characters in order to thwart Soveit ambitions. All of that is now conveniently forgotten. While a lot of other countries dropped for cover when the shit hit the fan, the US stood up and faced the fire and did the dirty work to stop Soviet expansion. Sometimes that meant having to deal with individuals like Saddam. Doesn't mean we liked him, doesn't mean we would not have preferred to be doing buisiness with someone else. But you don't always get to pick and choose.

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Postby TZ Somali » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:28 am

[quote="MAD MAC"]"Guilt by association", in case you didn't know it, is legally not a crime.

The US was engaged in a very difficult cold war, in which sometimes we had to associate and support unsavory characters in order to thwart Soveit ambitions. All of that is now conveniently forgotten. While a lot of other countries dropped for cover when the shit hit the fan, the US stood up and faced the fire and did the dirty work to stop Soviet expansion. Sometimes that meant having to deal with individuals like Saddam. Doesn't mean we liked him, doesn't mean we would not have preferred to be doing buisiness with someone else. But you don't always get to pick and choose.[/quote]

"The US was engaged in a very difficult cold war" Is not sufficient enought to stand as pretext to justify America support to a tyrant leader whose detriment to his people. Sure cold war was difficult phase of America political history. You have assert that the America were not aware of the extensive human right violation by Sadam in 88-89, that is upsolute trash. In 88 a "Human right report on Middle east" was published by Amnesty International that detailed the constant and yet extensive human right violation by Sadam regime, in its conlcusion the report Author recomended US and UK both primary friends of Sadam's brutal regimes then to cease political and economical relation with Sadam's regime as sign of protest to the rampant human right violations; the detailed report was presented to the UN, and unfortunately a month later Magret thacther sent a dozen military helicopters in aviation contract and one year later if you remember ceeb cheny as leader of a major US business company landed in Baghdad to discuss business; ironically the human right of the Iraqis seem to matter today than a decade ago. I can only describe this as pure hypocracy at its best..

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Postby TZ Somali » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:53 pm

Where are you mad mac?

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Postby intellex » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:53 pm

[quote="MAD MAC"]No. It means some things are superfluous. Trying Saddam for crimes against humanity is like issuing a speeding ticket to AJ Foyte at the indy 500.[/quote]



mad if that is the case with sadam what is your case and the bush administration? offering the cop a doughnet while he is writing you up?

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:19 am

OK a few points here.

First of all, the cold war wasn't just a difficult phase of Americas history, but the worlds. Maybe you missed it, but the Soviets objective was to place the world under the Soviet boot. And yes, that did justify working with tyrants. The world is an anarchic place. If we didn't work with tyrants we wouldn't work with anyone in the Middle East. Everyone there is a shithead. There aren't any good guys in the Middle East. That's the problem.

Secondly, TZ according to your logic, therefore no trials in Iraq are legitimate. So anyone can commit any crime and any trial against said criminals is illegitimate from this point onward for the rest of Iraqs history. That's what your saying here.

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Postby Basra- » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:59 am

they both like the song 'lady in Red'?? Shocked

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Postby TZ Somali » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:07 am

[quote="MAD MAC"]OK a few points here.

First of all, the cold war wasn't just a difficult phase of Americas history, but the worlds. Maybe you missed it, but the Soviets objective was to place the world under the Soviet boot. And yes, that did justify working with tyrants. The world is an anarchic place. If we didn't work with tyrants we wouldn't work with anyone in the Middle East. Everyone there is a shithead. There aren't any good guys in the Middle East. That's the problem.

Secondly, TZ according to your logic, therefore no trials in Iraq are legitimate. So anyone can commit any crime and any trial against said criminals is illegitimate from this point onward for the rest of Iraqs history. That's what your saying here.[/quote]

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Mad mac once again let me remind you the court is built on the US invasion and they had no legal reason or motive to invade Iraqi, not from the Security Council or the United Nations. That means everything built on that foundation is illegitimate. The current trial of Sadam is design to deviate International community and in particular the Iraqis' attention from America's failure to extract the so called "WMD" which form the bases of he illegal invasion.

mad mac me and you and many others now know that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, as repeatedly alleged by Mr. Bush and other members of his administration. And contrary to Mr. Bush’s allegation that the United Nations showed no backbone and courage, the Security Council did, in fact, stand up to the your president's pressure and did resist authorizing war prior to the UN weapons inspectors completing their task. It was the Bush administration’s impatience with the Security Council process and unwillingness to abide by it that led them to initiate an unauthorized attack on Iraq in violation of international law.

No doubt to me our attention should be focused on the ellusive so called "WMD" not a choriographed court proceeding that is designed to siphon our attention from USA failure to obtain the WMD.
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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:58 am

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Are you a moron? The ENTIRE WORLD KNOWS THAT THE WMD EXCUSE was just that, an excuse. So focking what?

You don't get it do you? You really don't understand how the world works. Bush and crew will continue to stroke and invent rationales, knowing full well they can never admit that they used the WMD rationale to voer their true motives. But everyone knows this, even if no one in the administration will ever admit it. You can talk about it until you are blue in the face, but it won't change A SINGLE FACT ON THE GROUND.

Now, like I said, according to your rationale, no Iraqi courts are legitimate. So all crimes committed in Iraq, by Iraqis, can not be punished legally, because there are no legitimate courts. And there can not be legitimate courts, because from this point onwards, they are all tainted with illegitimacy. So Saddam, his henchman, all murders, crimimnals, rapists - they all have to go free according to you.

Interesting theory.

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Postby Dhaga Bacayl » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:02 am

What they have in common is very simple.

They both have limited knowledge out side of the military world.
They both murdered a lot of innocent people
And they're both going to hell..

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:09 am

See you there Dhaga.

And please don't compare Saddam's military knowledge to mine. He was an amatuer, I'm a professional.


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