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Postby mizz_chief » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:44 pm

Somalisizz,

sister jazaa Kallah khair for what you have posted but CAN I say i have noticed u DIDNT quote FROM THE QURAAN???.... any reason why?...

IN the Quraan there are many ayats where the Prophet and Women have interacted forget not shaking hands, remember the Prophet pbuh before he married khadija he worked for her by looking after and trading her animals for her fo many years?

There are many ayats but I will post one which overall summaries that if a women pledges to follow Allah's ways then the Prohpet would ask of Allah for forgiveness on their part:


" O Prophet. When believing women come to thee to take the pledge of feallty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to Allah for the forgiveness (of their sins): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. " Suraah 60 verse 12



Furthermore, remember the ayat Qasamacala ( Al Mujadila 58:1) the women who pleads came down because of the debate/discussion between the Prohpet pbuh and a women where the Prohpet pbuh DIDNT have any revelations for her therefore couldnt answer he plea hence why the ayaat came because of her.......This shows you women (non muharam) Argued, debated with the Prophet PBUH and an ayaat came down because of that.... SHAKING hands is seen as nothing in this respect if the PROPHET (PBUH) was left speechless.

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:07 am

What happened b!tch - Allah got your tongue?

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Postby SoMaLiSiZz » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:49 am

BissmeAllah w salato w samao cala Rasool Allah ma bacad
Asalam Calaikom WarxmatuAllah wbaraktuh..

Dear sister in islam the verse you were referring to was talking about
After Al-Hudaybiyyah, and that Emigrant Muslim Women may not be returned to the Disbelievers!!

Insha*Allah do read the Quran and the tafseer of ibn katheer (raxumahuAllah)

[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ إِذَا جَآءَكُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَـتُ مُهَـجِرَتٍ فَامْتَحِنُوهُنَّ اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِإِيمَـنِهِنَّ فَإِنْ عَلِمْتُمُوهُنَّ مُؤْمِنَـتٍ فَلاَ تَرْجِعُوهُنَّ إِلَى الْكُفَّارِ لاَ هُنَّ حِلٌّ لَّهُمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحِلُّونَ لَهُنَّ وَءَاتُوهُم مَّآ أَنفَقُواْ وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ أَن تَنكِحُوهُنَّ إِذَآ ءَاتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَلاَ تُمْسِكُواْ بِعِصَمِ الْكَوَافِرِ وَاسْـَلُواْ مَآ أَنفَقْتُمْ وَلْيَسْـَلُواْ مَآ أَنفَقُواْ ذَلِكُمْ حُكْمُ اللَّهِ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ - وَإِن فَاتَكُمْ شَىْءٌ مِّنْ أَزْوَجِكُمْ إِلَى الْكُفَّـرِ فَعَـقَبْتُمْ فَآتُواْ الَّذِينَ ذَهَبَتْ أَزْوَجُهُمْ مِّثْلَ مَآ أَنفَقُواْ وَاتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ الَّذِى أَنتُمْ بِهِ مُؤْمِنُونَ ]
(10. O you who believe! When believing women come to you as emigrants, examine them; Allah knows best as to their faith, then if you ascertain that they are true believers, send them not back to the disbelievers. They are not lawful for the disbelievers nor are the disbelievers lawful for them. But give them (disbelievers) that which they have spent (on their dowery). And there will be no sin on you to marry them if you have paid their due to them. Likewise do not keep the disbelieving women, and ask for that which you have spent (on their dowery) and let them (the disbelievers) ask for that which they have spent. That is the judgement of Allah, He judges between you. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.) (11. And if any of your wives have gone from you to the disbelievers then you succeed over them (gain victory); then pay those whose wives have gone, the equivalent of what they had spent. And have Taqwa of Allah, the One in Whom you are believers.)


[يأَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ إِذَا جَآءَكَ الْمُؤْمِنَـتُ يُبَايِعْنَكَ عَلَى أَن لاَّ يُشْرِكْنَ بِاللَّهِ شَيْئاً وَلاَ يَسْرِقْنَ وَلاَ يَزْنِينَ وَلاَ يَقْتُلْنَ أَوْلْـدَهُنَّ وَلاَ يَأْتِينَ بِبُهُتَـنٍ يَفْتَرِينَهُ بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِنَّ وَأَرْجُلِهِنَّ وَلاَ يَعْصِينَكَ فِى مَعْرُوفٍ فَبَايِعْهُنَّ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُنَّ اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ]
(12. O Prophet! When the believing women come to you pledging to you that they will not associate anything with Allah, and that they will not steal, and that they will not commit Zina, and that they will not kill their children, and that they will not utter slander, fabricating from between their hands and their feet, and that they will not disobey you in Ma`ruf (good), Allah said to the faithful believers,

[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَوَلَّوْاْ قوْماً غَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ قَدْ يَئِسُواْ مِنَ الاٌّخِرَةِ كَمَا يَئِسَ الْكُفَّـرُ مِنْ أَصْحَـبِ الْقُبُورِ ]
(13. O you who believe! Take not as friends the people who incurred the wrath of Allah. Surely, they have despaired of the Hereafter, just as the disbelievers have despaired of those (buried) in graves.)


********************Note; there is no where in this verse that promote women and non-mahrem men shaking hands you got it all wrong.. Also there is some details in the hadeeth like how to make wudu how to perform salah how to get married how to take care of the janaza at what specific time to pray names of the salah ect etc but you wont find it in the Quran so detailed not THAT THE QURAN IS INCOMPLETE but the Quran and Sunnah goes hand in hand, one without the other is NOT part of islam ..

As Allah mesntioned this in the quran and Kareem MANY TIMES;

Qal Allah Tacala;

=========== > "Whatever the Messenger giveth you take it and whatever he forbiddeth abstain from it." [Al-Hashr: 7] < ===============

"Obey Allah and obey the Messenger." [An-Nisa 59]

The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: They say: we hear and we obey." [An-Nur: 51]

"And verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last day and remembereth Allah much." [Al-Ahzab 31]

============== >"It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman when a matterhas been decided by Allah and His apostle to have any optionabout their decision. If any one disobeys Allah and His apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path." [Al-Ahzab: 36] < ===============

Notes ister in islam that Allah is pointing out so many times and stressing that we should take the sunnah and do not quition it as Allah caaza w jal and his porphet mohanmed Sall Allahu calahy w salam KNOWS BEST !

Allah caza w jal has even ordered us to lower our gaze “Tell the believing men to lower their gaze.” [24:30] So how about Shakning hands with strange men/women ??

I will end with this Hadeeth;

It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”

Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045, that this hadeeth is saheeh.


Sobxan Allah sister do u see how of a great sin it is to shake hands with non-mahram men ??

Alle ha ina soo hanuniyo kuligeenba ========> Allahuma Ameen..


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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:57 am

It is a great sin. So is talking with a non-Mahram man. Another great, unforgiveable, sin. So you need to get your narrow black a$$ off the net. Because there is all kinds of temptation here.

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Postby Aiman » Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:11 am

Jazaaka Allahu Kheyr sister for sharing.

Its indeed undignitory to shake a hand with non Muxaram.


This is the exatly kind of childish behavior why we need to have a strong hardliner conservative to moderate this nutshell site. All these pets need to be mutted.


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