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The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

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The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby James Dahl » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:05 pm

It's shocking really. They've had everything given to them on a silver platter

International Recognition
Foreign Aid
Complete Military Backing from a Regional Power
and the Entire South handed to them like a christmas present

And yet despite all this, they've lost the second biggest city under their control and are about to lose their biggest one, they've handed over authority to the new major clan players who are willing to support them (Qeybdiid, etc) and the insurgency is just as strong as it was in January, and probably stronger in fact.

And how? The USA basically muscled all the nearby states into banning any aid to the insurgency, and even to hand over prisoners of war for rendition to them, and the Ethiopians have a massive army in the country to help them.

Are they dumb? Incompetent? Is it deliberate sabotage? What?

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby smooth » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:13 pm

If the Marexaans release Afguduud, he will be BACK to massacre them, IT will be a very interesting to see the outcomes of it, most likely the marexaans will buy into the Daroodnimo.

Same mistake Dahir Aweys made when he released AFBIJO, now his people are being massacred along with others
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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby Koronto91 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:15 pm

JD,

I couldn't have said it any better. It is incompetence coupled with buffoonary that is the downfall of the Mbgathi terrorists. If any other group in Somalia had received from the whole world as much help as these criminals, it would be a completely different Somalia.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby gurey25 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:58 pm

Laughing
James Dahl do not be preplexed.

isnt it obvious the Embagathi faction AKA the TFG
is not real, and is not seen as a legitimate government by the majority of the Population.

The US should stop this failed and ridiculous policy.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby James Dahl » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:20 pm

I never had any illusions about their legitimacy or authority, but I figured that considering how much stuff they have for free (far more than any other Somali faction) they wouldn't have folded quite so completely, or so soon! I mean it's only been 4 months.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:32 pm

James,

What do you expect from a semi-educated dictator wanna be like CY ? The whole thing was morally bankrupt from day # 1.

The TFG had its best chance if it arrived in Mog from day # 1. CY was so foolish not to make a deal with his factional Ministers and set up shop in Mog. He complained about lack of security at the time in 2004 but I don't see how Mog is any safer now Shocked

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby Koronto91 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:35 pm

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Mog. He complained about lack of security at the time in 2004 but I don't see how Mog is any safer now Shocked[/quote]

According to Kooxda Mbagathi Mogadishu is safer now than it has ever been.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby James Dahl » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:39 pm

From what I've seen, the history of the TFG went something like this:

TFG Brings all the clans together
Gedi demands they do things his way, many refuse, Gedi fires them all
Gedi demands they do things his way, many refuse, Gedi fires them all
Gedi demands they do things his way, many refuse, Gedi fires them all
Gedi demands they do things his way, many refuse, Gedi fires them all
TFG wonders where all their support went, and why all the clans hate them

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby Koronto91 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:48 pm

JD,

What about the constant pickering, the photo ppourtunities with Geddi sporting a different outfit everytime, the brawls in the "parliament", the lack of cooperation, etc.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby SomeGuy » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:56 pm

James,

I think you just bought in to propaganda here. Kismayo's war has nothing to do with Mogadishu war. Mogadishu war is anti-government where Kismaayo one is tribal one. It is between two local clans. The bad part was government troops sided with their clan lines. The government doesn't want to esculate this local war. It will be solved in matter of days. And about Mogadishu, things changed. The anti-government elements are on the run. The government and Ethiopian troops are getting new grounds. Give a month, and Mogadishu will be cleansed and all those territorists will out of business.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby James Dahl » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:45 pm

This war isn't tribal, it's all about Barre Hirale and his ego.

Barre Hirale was the president of Jubaland for crying out loud. He considered himself an equal to Adde Musa, Abdullahi Yusuf and Dahir Riyale. He refused to put himself under the TFG even after he lost most of his territory, and was confined to his last district in southern Gedo. It was only when he faced total defeat that he went to Baidoa.

He is the defence minister! And here he is, pushed aside into Jubaland under the watchful eye of some Majerteen flunky, because the TFG doesn't trust him. *He* should be in charge of the army. And yet, what does the TFG do but put Abdi Qeybdiid, a Sacad warlord, in charge of Mogadishu (and effectively the army).

He has had it with the TFG, who put off retaking his old territories until the very end (basically making them lowest priority) and then didn't put him back in charge.

He has basically said as much, that he plans on returning Jubaland to the way things were before September 2006.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby *jr » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:49 pm

I share what some here are saying; that no one is to blame of Somalia's difficulties but its citizens. Including those that enticing violence and mayhem daily here at SomNet.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby James Dahl » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:51 pm

To blame for what? Defending themselves?
There was relative peace in Mogadishu until the weapon seizures.

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby DawladSade » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:12 pm

[quote="James Dahl"]This war isn't tribal, it's all about Barre Hirale and his ego.

Barre Hirale was the president of Jubaland for crying out loud. He considered himself an equal to Adde Musa, Abdullahi Yusuf and Dahir Riyale. He refused to put himself under the TFG even after he lost most of his territory, and was confined to his last district in southern Gedo. It was only when he faced total defeat that he went to Baidoa.

He is the defence minister! And here he is, pushed aside into Jubaland under the watchful eye of some Majerteen flunky, because the TFG doesn't trust him. *He* should be in charge of the army. And yet, what does the TFG do but put Abdi Qeybdiid, a Sacad warlord, in charge of Mogadishu (and effectively the army).

He has had it with the TFG, who put off retaking his old territories until the very end (basically making them lowest priority) and then didn't put him back in charge.

He has basically said as much, that he plans on returning Jubaland to the way things were before September 2006.[/quote]



these aren't even rumours, it is completely a work of fiction from you. you know how some people bring rumours going around? rumours atleast are what ppl are saying but you have completely amanaged to write your own work of fiction. gacan baan kuu taagay Cool

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Re: The TFG has managed to turn complete victory into defeat

Postby James Dahl » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:15 pm

Every word is the truth as I see it. You may have a different opinion, but what facts I mentioned above are untrue?

Are you saying Barre Hirale is not a proud man?
Are you saying that Marehans would not prefer the same autonamy that Puntland enjoys?
Are you saying that he was misquoted when he said that Marehans should have autonamy?
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