Somaliland and the Kalshaale Massacre

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Dhulbahante actually made peace between you.

Are you threatening me of what you could of done? lol SXB you did what you have to and we also did.

[Rambie]

What did I do?

SNM attacked Hudun, Ceerigaabo, Hawd, Boorame, they killed innocent people and we had to fight back, you massacred civilians in Burco, Hargaisa & Berbera.

I am not saying we are innocent but you are guilty too.

Plus Raxanweyne food was blocked by Hawiye, that's why the UN, and US fought USC. and later Baydhabo was invaded by the USC.

Lool half of the towns you mentioned are inhabitant by Isaaq and you vacate long before SNM got there.
Or what was the Darood civilians doing in our town if there was any?

For instance you forget the bombing of Burco and the SNA + Ogaden massacring people on foot.
Put suddenly, there are civilians when SNM overpower them.
Listen kiddo, do you want me to post about SNM executing Isaaq civilians and
forgiving Darood soldiers? If anything, you should be grateful for SNM instead
of cherry picking the collateral damage of it's battles with the remnants of SNA and it's supporters.


I know your little game here and it won't work.

[burcaawi14]

LOOL there were many battles between HY N Dhulbahante, Dhulbahante N HJ, N Dhulbahante N SNM, we fought each other SXB stop acting innocent how many Dhulos died in your attacks, wa yaab walle. If we start a topic today about who massacred who Isaaq will be there claiming we invaded massacared and displaced Daroods, but today yall wanna act all innocent, I will give it you. lol

There's a major difference I'm trying to underline here. Isaaq was at war with a government committing genocide, you can't compare that with clan skirmishes that will always be prevalent. Not once did hj use all of the governments resources to have a full out war with dhulos. Ta kale na, dhulbahaante is not against Somaliland because we want independence, it is against us because they don't want anything to do with isaaq. I could say wallahi if somaliland was a federal state they would still try to cut from us, just due to hatred. It is what it is

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Rambie, I am not saying the Bombing of Isaaq cities Daad kuma Dhimaan, Ofcourse when an Army and Militia fight in a city there will be deaths. N a lot of Isaaqs died, but there was also a hunting for Darood civilians in Isaaq cities I know families who were killed!! in Hargaiasa Burco N Berbera, what do you mean what are Darood doing there? they lived in those towns!

Burcawi so the government was in Xudun when you massacred ppl praying, or when you invited people to a peace agreement and killed them or attacking Buuhodle, or Ceerigaabo had a large military presence or Attacking Warsageli towns or killing people in Boorama. sxb stop acting like you haven't committed your share.

[burcaawi14]

Rambie, I am not saying the Bombing of Isaaq cities Daad kuma Dhimaan, Ofcourse when an Army and Militia fight in a city there will be deaths. N a lot of Isaaqs died, but there was also a hunting for Darood civilians in Isaaq cities I know families who were killed!! in Hargaiasa Burco N Berbera, what do you mean what are Darood doing there? they lived in those towns!

Burcawi so the government was in Xudun when you massacred ppl praying, or when you invited people to a peace agreement and killed them or attacking Buuhodle, or Ceerigaabo had a large military presence or Attacking Warsageli towns or killing people in Boorama. sxb stop acting like you haven't committed your share.

We can go back and forth about What happened in the past. What's your real beef against Somaliland. I don't even understand. Laascaanood is better under somaliland than it was even under somalia, and cali khaliif galaydh himself admitted that. Dhulos if they fully participated would have a major influence in the political arena....Are you guys really that die hard for xamarawis? Who until today can't even stabilize their main city?

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

All the Northern clans had a reconciliation conference in Burco where they agreed to create Somaliland. Ciise, gadubiirsi, the whole of Isaaq, Dhulbahante and Warsengali where there. They agreed to Somaliland. No one forced them. Even your Khaatumo president Cali Khalif Galaydh was there. Dhulbahante should've created Khaatumo then and said no to Somaliland.

[Rambie]

Rambie, I am not saying the Bombing of Isaaq cities Daad kuma Dhimaan, Ofcourse when an Army and Militia fight in a city there will be deaths. but there was a hunting for Darood civilians in Isaaq cities I know families who were killed!! in Hargaiasa Burco N Berbera, what do you mean what are Darood doing there? they lived in those towns!

Sure, over 50,000 civilians were killed in that bombing alone and here you are cry about
few hundreds men militia of the SNA who were killed for refusing to lay down their weapon and counting
civilian casualties during these clashes as a liability on SNM looooooooooool


SNM policy towards non Isaaq civilians were clear, they where harder on Isaaq than non-Isaaq:






I suppose those are few the "civilians" you try pass as innocent people who'v done nothing wrong.



Do your best to demonize them ina Darvish.

We sure left many of you go.



Get you facts straight, SNM where more concerned about the population than SNA and your supposed civilians.
In fact they have been evicted from there a day before the bombing, so your claim does not make sense unless
you mean that OG refuges are the civilians cry about.

As for the bombing, the SNA concentrated the bombing on civilian areas with heavy population density
even though SNM were not there. They further continued bombing the city AFTER SNM were withdrowl from there.

Marka your cheap attempt to share the blame of the those 50,000 people who died between SNM & SNA is
not only low but also pathetic.

It's afur now, am out ...

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Rambie, you like to argue for the sake of argument. When you say Isaac but divide darood r u serious? 2015 yall are trying to rewrite history and tell us pro govt clans were not attacked. 50,000 civilians or 1 Isaaq civilians killed on purpose is not acceptable.

Burcawi when people tell you we can do what we like, but you can't. Of course xamar don't give a fuck. But people you fought for 100s of years now want to separate you and join their separate country were you will be in a ocean. That to a Somali my friend raises the alarm.

Grumpy so your uncle cigaal signed the union and became a pm, and silaanyo was a minster in mogadisho. Should sl still be in the union?

Galeydh only went there for peace and Isaac declared a country.

[Rambie]

Rambie, you like to argue for the sake of argument. When you say Isaac but divide darood r u serious? 2015 yall are trying to rewrite history and tell us pro govt clans were not attacked. 50,000 civilians or 1 Isaaq civilians killed on purpose is not acceptable

Really? Am I the one who stired the subject away from the Dhulbahanti and thier dilemma to who did this or that?
Am the one who injected OG as supposed civilians being killed at the hands of the boggy man (Idoor) ?

Are you forgetting the SNM massacre of innocent Darood, Ciise & Gedobursi civilians??

Does a sub sub sub clan of Muse Ismaciil & Sacad Younis in Sanaag or Sool speak on the whole of Isaaq?
Does Jibril Abokor in Awdal represent the whole of Isaaq?
What about other HY, Cidagalle, Arab, other Sacad Muse, Cissa muse, Ayoup and HJ among others?

Plus, why don't you blame the other party too on the civilian casualties of these battles?
Just because SNM won at the end doesn't mean it's responsible for the bloodshed.

The sole legitimate represnter of Isaaq were the SNM (central commander) and then Tur and Ciqaal governments, you selectively choose one of the most aggressive, rebellion, independent and autonomous sub clans within the Isaaq family and label them as the spokeperson of Isaaq by saying "there you go Isaac, that's what you've done"


This is the cherry picking and playing victim I was talking about.
Who are those "Darood civilians" who have been killed in the streets of Hargiesa or Burco?
You just posted a bunch of towns half of e'm belonging to Isaaq and cry about non existence massacre to your people.
Do I have what to remind you what have you done in Hargiesa, Burco, Berbera, Ceerigaboo, Gabiely, Shikh, Arabsiyo, CeelAfwayne, Caynabo, Oog, Bohol, Garadag, and many towns and villages in between.???

You just bluntly summarized the history of Isaaq and Dhulus from 1988 to 1997 in a one misleading sentence.

Dhulbahante actually made peace between you.

You skipped your whole involvement in the SNA from 1988 till 1991, you skipped what HJ did for you in Sool and Sanaag,
attain of Burco and Borama conferences (for peace, the irony), involvement in Habar-Habar wars just to jump up into
a silly conclusion that you where just an innocent bystanders who did nothing.

There is no smoke without a fire.
That is my friend is a clear attempt to rewrite history. I can easily refute, what you just stated
to Grumpy & Burcawi, but I won't cos I can see you're trolling.

If we moved from this little fuss & drama you try to change the subject into,
I have a clear straight forward question for you as a Dhulu who went to the mother land..

If you're gonna choose today between Hargiesa & Xamar, to whom would you prefer as a capital to your people?

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

If you go back you said majority of isaaq didnt support SNM, and now to SNM represented us. SNM is Isaaq to US. same way in the South USC, Hawiye Rahawyen southern dir jareer etc.its like me saying you were not fighting The SNA but Nalaaya Ahmed, or Jamac Siyaad, N Khalid or reer Hagar.

My point is all sides suffered.

To get back to your question Xamar don't even give a fuck about nobody but filling their pockets, Somali wen is something we wished for, but I don't think it's possible, we do share more with You, but when you are trying to eradicate sxb you are pushing us to a wall. Peace and community building is needed. Ali Khaliif doesn't oppose talks but if we are attacked constantly our land encroached on we must fight back. But I want peace for all of us. You can't just expect a Warior to just accept everything lol you compromise.

[Bandit]

^ You're one angry fella.


You forget to mention that pre 2000 there was a large scale civil war in the west.
During Habar-Habar wars your people where also taking part in it.

Furthermore, you failed to see that am also from Sool. This is what am talking about, you
like to play victim whenever it suits you. Sanaag which is much larger than Sool and has more population also receives
only 5% of the budget. Awdal, which has double the population of Sool also recive 5% I try to be fair, 90% of SL budget comes from two cities Berbera & Hargiesa. Not to mention that Burco and other towns contribute to SL budget thanks for their unlimited supply of livestock. Laascanood, Xudun and Taleh give back absolutely nothing. You even refuse to dig out the oil and rather sit on it and wait another 20+ years for a "unified Somalia" to dig it for you. No wonder SL managed to capture Talex by disturbing rice and flour to the natives!
the money were asking is not the money isaaq makes were asking for our share in the aid money your so called government takes in the name of somaliland which according to you people includes our area. This is the reason why we should have our own state
take your biased glasses off for a second and switch the roles if Dhulbahante had government and isaaq didn't then go to western nations claiming your lands saying we represent them and should get all the aid money
And ones we get it 90% would go to las anod I don't think you would be happy.

Laascanood was always an insignificant small town, even during Siad Barre's era you were all chilling in Xamar while those were the days
Laascanood was a sh"t hole. Only when aboow Siad run away and you become refuges in Ethiopia you went back to Laascanood las anood is a regional capital nothing more nothing nothing less las anood like majority areas in somalia not named xamar, Hargiesa, berbera were all ignored by the former regime
and started flip flopping. Lasscanood today is more developed and gets much more projects than Caynabo. Ask your friend Garad
how things turned upside down in LA after less than 10 years under SL.
sxb las anod looks like an over grown tuulo like 95%
Of somalia few chump change is not gonna change that



There is no doubt that the security in the region deteriorated mainly thanks to Dhulbahanti.
You're never satisfied with anything and always want more. Remember what your people did in Qorilugud in 2010 you can't be serious with this comment
I would've taken this stupid comment serious if you people weren't exanding in to areas you have no business in the people who sold out live in las anod district
so why the fuck are you people in telex or Hudun when no one likes you there
Shooting people after salat eid? I mean, who does that? Who always break peace agreements in Buhoodle and it's surroundings? I doubt this true one thing I know about dhulbahante is there passive and rarely expand the more believable story would isaaq are expanding as usual in to areas they have no business in.

Isn't your people, or are you gonna play the victim card again?

Your post is full of contradictions and naive conclusions.
In one point, you claim that Isaaqland and the MJ are destabilizing the region, in another yes your presence is destabilizing the region leave
post, you make fund raise parties for Ali Khalif and his alike. You rather wait and fight to the last man
until the Hawiya in Xamar stand on thier feet rather than joining either parties and live in peace!
You cant have peace in this world with out fighting for it



Just because Xamar used to be your cashcow and center of power in 1969, doesn't
mean it is going to be the same in 2016, even if a Darood president won!
every dog has its day ours will come around soon enough

Morale of the story, no body wants to rape you or your people as
you desperately try to insinuate. Stop getting emotional and get your sh"t together.
Even Garad can see that you're whining for nothing.

In the future their is gonna be a bloody war in that regions Dhulbahante can either get ready or become victims
And the pawns fighting will be them not anybody else

[Rambie]

listen kiddo,

I know you're a fan and follow my posts around. Marka am sure you know
the answer's of your silly questions and the validity of these naive conclusions you push around.

TBH, I got tired of dismantling your conspiracy theories.
So far you have gave me no straight answer Hargiesa < > Xamar
And instead hide behind worriers and defend his cuqdad towards tolka.
Didn't you say before that you went to Laascanood for 3 months?
How was it?



Clearly this debate has turned futile, go and sit in the corner next to worriers and chit-chat with eachother
about the big boggy man that is coming for you. We have enough rice for both of you anyway.