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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby The_Emperior5 » Thu May 14, 2009 7:52 am

welcome :sland: :up:
somaliland is home for 3.8 milion people, ma ciid ba la eega.
you born in hargeisa makes you somaliland true. besides the jebertis have there part of the government. marka ciid wax ku yeeelaysa ma jirto.

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Captain24 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:22 am

3.8 million kulaahaa. :clap: :clap: Every month half millions buu ku daraa. I remember you saying we are 2 million just a year ago. ma xoolaha iyo geela baa tirisaan?


M.Bin Harti, is your mom Isaaq?

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Postby The_Emperior5 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:26 am

No thats what reports say it was first 3.5 milion imika na wa 3.8 milion people.



Somaliland: Africa's best-kept secret

As Somalia gains infamy as a haven for pirates, its smaller peaceful neighbour is pleading for international recognition.

By Daniel Howden in Somaliland


Wednesday, 6 May 2009
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ANDRE LASCARIS

Locals take no notice of a sunken ship which lies off the coast of Somaliland

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The arrivals hall of Hargeisa airport is a dust-blown, concrete box on a sweltering plain of scrub desert. Through its broken tinted doors are peeling walls with a few scattered pictures of Mecca. A brass plaque on a beam above them commemorates the opening of the building by Prince Henry, the 1st Duke of Gloucester, in 1958. The tarnished plate looks oddly out of place as a reminder of Britain's forgotten colony.


While the rest of Somalia has forced its way on to the world's news agenda as an anarchic, failed state and the spawning ground for a new age of piracy, the former British protectorate of Somaliland has been quietly pleading for international recognition.

To its south lies the region of Puntland, whose ports have been turned over to the pirate gangs. Beyond that, in Mogadishu, are the remnants of an Italian colony that is now among the most dangerous places on earth. To the west is the repressive and heavily armed Ethiopia. It is what Somaliland's Foreign Minister ruefully calls a "rough neighbourhood".

Sitting beneath a map of his unrecognised state – which is roughly the size of Wales and England combined – Abdillahi Duale cuts a polite, if exasperated, figure. He begins to list Somaliland's accomplishments, such as a functioning government, multi-party elections, a coastguard and a police force: quite mundane in most places in the world but in this neighbourhood, truly remarkable. It is, the minister says, "Africa's best kept secret".

Somaliland has more territory and a bigger population than at least a dozen other African states, he points out. Recognition will not "open Pandora's box in Africa", he says. Neither will it set a precedent – that has been done already in East Timor and Kosovo. "The international community is focused on Somalia, okay. We are saying, 'Keep doing what you're doing in Mogadishu, but for goodness sake help those who help themselves'."

A polished performer, Mr Duale explains the Somalis' divergent paths with a brief history lesson. When both British and Italian Somaliland were granted independence within months of each other in 1960, there was a mistaken unity pact that eventually degenerated into the violent dictatorship of Siad Barre and then into civil war. When Barre's government fell in 1991, the north set up its own government within the former colonial borders while the south descended into warlordism.

Both paths had their origins in the colonial experience, the minister argues. Britain only wanted its protectorate to shore up naval control of the Gulf of Aden and to supply meat to Aden itself, and so left traditional elders largely in place. Italy treated its eastern coastal section of Somalia as a settlers' colony and dismantled equivalent authorities to achieve this. When the shooting briefly stopped in 1991, the north had a starting point, the south didn't.

Despite this, Somaliland's 3.8 million people remain subject to a government in Mogadishu that doesn't exist. It has its own currency, security services, ministries and courts but no place at the United Nations. Without recognition Hargeisa has no access to lenders such as the International Monetary Fund or the World Bank and receives no direct budgetary support. The international donors who met in Brussels last month to pledge €230m in aid for Somalia did not mention Somaliland.

Presiding over this limbo is Dahir Rayale Kahin. "All the criteria are fulfilled but still no one is recognising us," the President says calmly. "We are fighting piracy, we are arresting terrorists. Nobody can deny our regional contribution."

Three groups of pirates have been detained by Somaliland's threadbare coastguard and its jails hold dozens of suspected members of Islamist militias, such as al-Shabaab, who control much of southern Somalia.

A referendum held in 2001 found overwhelming support for an independent Somaliland and an African Union report on recognition for the territory in 2005 found in favour, Mr Rayale points out. "Always they say, 'If someone else recognises you, we will be second'. The problem is who will be first?"

Like many in Somaliland, he hopes the answer could be Britain. The UK recognised Somaliland at independence in 1960 but London would have to upset powerful allies to renew that step. In private, people here know that Egypt remains the major hurdle. Cairo sees a powerful Somalia as a bulwark against Ethiopia in any future conflict over the vital resources of the Nile, and still nurtures those who dream of a greater Somalia. Such a project would unite Somalis in Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti, with those in the former British and Italian colonies under the five stars of the Somali flag. President Rayale says that dream "cannot happen" and offers an analogy from across the Gulf of Aden where the Arabs are divided into many countries despite sharing a religion and language. "The Arabs are Arabs and yet they are more than 20 countries. We can be like Arabs," he says.

This month was supposed to have seen the latest act of would-be statehood with the holding of elections, They have now been delayed until September. The government blames the hold-up on the electoral register; the opposition says it is "running away" from a vote it will lose.

The President is obviously comfortable in the office he insists he will vacate if he loses in the ballot. A weighty globe swings on a golden axis on his desk, while the letters "VIP" are stitched into the burgundy silk curtains.

However, Somaliland has its own "unique" set of checks and balances, as Mohamed Rashid Shaik Hassan, a former BBC journalist-turned-opposition politician, explains. The deputy leader of the OCID party says that serious power remains with a council of elders who operate as a second house. It was their intervention last week that saw a definite date of 27 September set for the poll.

Mr Hassan's deeper concerns echo those of opposition and government alike. With little or no formal economy, joblessness is nearly total and time could be running out on Somaliland's democratic experiment, he says, adding: "The British civil service generation is nearly gone and there is nothing to replace it. If democracy doesn't win recognition, people will look elsewhere." Abdurahman Farar, another opposition leader, is appalled that his "de facto country" is ignored while millions of dollars are poured into the power vacuum in Mogadishu. "The UN still wants to put Humpty Dumpty together again," he says dismissively.

The potential costs of a continued limbo were hammered home in deadly fashion last October when a series of co-ordinated suicide attacks left 28 people dead and rocked the comparative stability of Hargeisa. Said Adani played an unwitting role in thwarting one of the attacks. The presidential press secretary's car was parked near the gate when a truck bomber smashed it open as he tried to ram the office building. The small car stopped the truck just short of its target. Mr Adani was lucky enough to be inside the compound, but Abokar Subub, a police commander, was not as fortunate. He lifts his shirt with a wheeze from a smashed rib to reveal a lattice of shrapnel scars. The blast killed 18 people and the same scars mark its trees, tiles and broken walls. Mr Adani says the attack was a "wake-up call" to anyone who takes security for granted in the last stable corner of Somalia.

Mr Duale, the Foreign Minister, hopes "the international community will call a spade a spade and recognise Somaliland". His country is a "prime piece of real estate" which was once used to police the Gulf of Aden – a job which this year's surge in piracy has shown is more critical than ever. "We are not a bunch of wackos running around," he pleads. "We are people you can work with."

While no one wants to put a time limit on how long Somaliland can hold out in isolation, there are worrying signs everywhere.

A few feet away from the Duke of Gloucester's airport plaque is a meagre kiosk offering a range of sugary biscuits. The bored-looking young man who works the day shift there has a favourite T-shirt – it is emblazoned, in big garish letters with the name of Hassan Nasrullah, the Hizbollah leader in Lebanon.

Somaliland: By numbers

3.5 million Estimated population of Somaliland, of a total 9.1 million in Somalia

1991 Year independence was declared

73 Crime-related deaths in Somaliland last year, compared with 7, 574 in the rest of Somalia, according to the Somaliland police

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Captain24 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:30 am

War ninyahow, cadaanka aan ku aqoon waxaas ula tag. thee little cites and a an area that's smaller than Bari buu ku leeyahay waa 3.8 million. War go away :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost: :lost:

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby abdikarim86 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:34 am

^ you see there is something called google earth

if you look around gabiley you can see it has more people living there
than the whole of p/land :lol: :lol:


area and population is not the same fockin dayuus

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Keyse_0208 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:36 am

Somaliland Looma dhasho ee waa loo Dhintaa..??


anyone can be born anywhere, the question is would u die for somaliland.? No.... I though so :arrow:

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Captain24 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:37 am

Abdikarim, try to be civil and get your point across without being disrespectful

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby abdikarim86 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:42 am

be civil kulahaa :lol:

good one

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Muhammad bin Harti » Thu May 14, 2009 1:31 pm

M.Bin Harti, is your mom Isaaq?
No. I am cumar muhammad on both sides. I was born Hargeisa because my dad AUN was the co-executive director of the waqooyi galbadeed national bank. I guarantee to you any person who lived in hargeisa in the 1980s knows my dad AUN.

He was the highest positioned "jabarti" in a non-military position in somaliland.

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Xamari_76 » Thu May 14, 2009 1:44 pm

Guys stop breaking the guys heart...if wants to be a somalilander then so be it. :P

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Cusmano » Fri May 15, 2009 12:49 am

First of all somaliland population is 3.5 million by real research organizations like cia and united nations. Don't post an article in newspaper opinion page and say "see somaliland 3.8 million", because everyone can do that. I can say anything in newspaper opinion page, because thats all it is JUST AN OPINION.

Secondly The 3.5 million ppl living in somaliland 2 million are isaaq the rest is dir n harti...500 000 dir...and 1 million harti sool, sanaag, cayn...and i can provide proof for this if u want.

Isaaq is just 2 million ppl sxb...

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Xamari_76 » Fri May 15, 2009 12:52 am

First of all somaliland population is 3.5 million by real research organizations like cia and united nations. Don't post an article in newspaper opinion page and say "see somaliland 3.8 million", because everyone can do that. I can say anything in newspaper opinion page, because thats all it is JUST AN OPINION.

Secondly The 3.5 million ppl living in somaliland 2 million are isaaq the rest is dir n harti...500 000 dir...and 1 million harti sool, sanaag, cayn...and i can provide proof for this if u want.

Isaaq is just 2 million ppl sxb...
Liar liar liar :arrow:

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Cusmano » Fri May 15, 2009 1:05 am

Xamari u want to see proof?

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Xamari_76 » Fri May 15, 2009 1:12 am

Xamari u want to see proof?
No im just Laughing at you because your a loser..you'd go out of your way to prove it..because somaliland means that much :roll:

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Re: I am a somalilander..

Postby Cusmano » Fri May 15, 2009 1:31 am

This is official research organization regarding populations in somaliland...Isaaq is only 55% of somaliland parliament and if u read the article the parliament represent population power of each region...the rest is dir and harti...infact dhulbahante has 14% of the parliamentahttp://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900SID/O ... enDocument

So if somaliland population is probably truly 1.7 million according somalilander columnist...http://harowo.com/2007/12/07/the-census ... omaliland/

And if u read the article i posted above it does give regional count which counts each region in somaliland it comes to 1.2 million plus u need to include the isaaqs who live in somalia, ethiopia, middle east, and west...and they said to add about 300 000-500 000...so lets just add the highest figure 500 000 to 1.2 million in somaliland..and it is around what columnist says..

But i prefer to deal in official data, and official data says 3.5 million which is controversial because the facts on the ground from research agencies don't support that...But lets say it is true that there is 3.5 million...even if that was true 55% of the population is isaaq according to the article...45% is dir and darod. So lets do a bit of maths...55% of 3.5 million is..2.5 million...1 million dir and darod..isaaq at most is 2.5 million and include 500 000 around the horn, middle east, and west...3 million isaaq at tops....Puntland is 2.5 million, plus southern hartis and ethiopia hartis will definitely boost that too 3 million. If not if u include all hartis in middle east, africa, west....3.0-3.5 million...

So truly by figures isaaq at most is equal to harti darod...not all darod..

Those are facts speaking from research organizations.


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