Somaliland Population in 1951

[Bohol iyo karaman]

Somaliland Population in 1951

Esa (British Protected) 55,000
Gadabursi 45,000
Habr Awal Saad Musa 100,000
Habr Awal Esa Musa 30,000
Arab 20,000
Eidagalla 40,000
Habr Yunis (Burao) 90,000
Habr Yunis (Other districts) 40,000
Habr Toljaala Mohd Abokor 60,000
Habr Toljaala Musa Abokor 40,000
Dolbahanta 100,000
Warsangeli 20,000

Total 361 640,000
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Beelaha Isaaq Siday u kala badan naayeen 1951

Habar Yoonis = 130,000

Habar Awal (sa'ad & Isse Together = 130,000

Habar Jeclo (Xabuush Together) = 100,000

Ciidagale = 40, 000

Arab = 20, 000

Tirada Guud ee isaaq waxay ahayd, 420, 000

Xigasho, http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/northeast_ ... hammed.pdf

[guryasame]

The data is regurgitated from the estimates of 1944.

Groups of Clans Population Camels Sheep Goats Cattle People %

Isa 55,000 8.6% 125,000 225,000 225,000 30,000 Gadabursi 45,000 7.0% 60,000 100,000 300,000 60,000

Isaq 420,000 65.6% 710,000 1,390,000 720,000 108,100
Habar Awal Saad Musa 100,000 15.6% 125,000 370,000 130,000 100,000 370,000. 130,000 100,000
Habar Awal Esa Musa 30,000 4.7% 15,000 100,000 200,000 5,000
Arab 20,000 3.1% 50,000 80,000 30,000
Eidegalla 40,000 6.2% 100,000 170,000 50,000
Habar Yunis (Burao) 90,000 14.1% 220,000 370,000 110,000
Habar Yunis (other) 40,000 6.2% 50,000 100,000 100,000 2,000
Habar Tojala Mohamed Abokor (Burao) 60,000 9.4% 150,000 200,000 100,000 1,000 9.4% 150,000 200,000 100,000 1,000
Habar Toljala Mohamed Abokor and Omar (Sool) 40,000 6.2% 40,000 200,000 200,000 100 40

Darod 120,000 18.8% 265,000 440,000 200,000 25,000 25,000
Dhulbahante 100,000 15.6% 240,000 370,000 130,000 20,000
Warsengeli 20,000 3.1% 25,000 70,000 70


It did not iclude the musa abokor who arguably may makeup 60% of reer Musa Sheikh Isxaaq, and it certainly does not include cibran and sambur let alone toljecle (therefore its not inclusive of xabusho, as u disengineously insinuate).

Having said that, according to this data 70% of hy live in togdheer region...there goes the argument that hy lives everywhere. Now, the clan that constitutes a clear majority in togdheer region is undeniable to any impartial person who has lived or visited the area... intaana u dhaafi maayo for now about togdheer lol

[LiQaaye_TDH]

The funny thing is how they have changed them stats to Mohamed Abokor and Muse Abokor, when its actually Actually Mohamed Abokor Alone that makes up 100.000 them selfs with out (Muse Abokor who is as Guryasamo said More then Mohamed Abokor) and all the clans missing in them numbers are ( Samane Abokor, Cibraan, Sanbuur)

Habar Tojala Mohamed Abokor (Burao) 60,000 9.4% 150,000 200,000 100,000 1,000 9.4% 150,000 200,000 100,000 1,000
Habar Toljala Mohamed Abokor and Omar (Sool) 40,000 6.2% 40,000 200,000 200,000 100 40

Basically 30% of Habar Jeclo was Estimated 100.000... Lets assume Muse Abokor was the same as Mohamed Abokor and they would had 200.000 alone and the rest of HJ who would easily make up to 300.000!

[hargaysaay]

bohol was this just the people under british colony, secondly correction cidagale was 44500 as I saw in one article that makes 45000. but alot has changed who knows who declined and who growed

[Siciid85]

Bohol iyo Karaman, but i think it wasn't all H.Y it was only those that were under british protection , the 40,000 they are talking about were those in the hargeysa, berbera areas - Ishaak Carre, Muse Cabdalle, Idarays Cabdalle, but i don't think it includes, H.Y bari such as Muse Ismaaciil , Sacad Yoonis , Muse carre Bari etc, also those in the haud were not included.


The Burco district areas was mostl Xirsi Cismaan , Reer Cawl.


you can check this other book it shows the samething you posted in more details.





Habar Yunis -Population - 130,000 - Dia Paying Groups ,66

Sacad Muse- Population-100,000 - Dia Paying Groups ,50

Cisse Muse -Population-30,000 - Dia Paying groups ,14

Cidagale -Population-40,000 - Dia Paying groups , 19

Habar Habusho - Muse Abokar -40,000 , Omar Abokar, -Mohammed Abokar - 60,000--Population- - - Dia Paying Groups - 50

Dhulbahante-Population - 100,000 - Dia Paying groups, 48

Warsangeli- Population -20,000 - Dia Paying groups , 10

Arap- Population -20,000 - Dia Paying groups , 10

Cisse -Population -55,000 - Dia Paying groups , Dia Paying groups , 57

Gadabursi -Population - 45,000 - Dia Paying groups , 37


Totalness

Habar Habusho all Together - Mohamed Abokar, Omar Abokar-60,000 & Muse Abokar-40,000 = 100,000

Habar awal all Together - Sacad Muse-100,000 & Cisse Muse-30,000 =130,000

Garxajis all Together - Habar Yunis - 130,000 & Cidagale -40,000 = 170,000

Harti Somaliland - Dhulbahante -100,000 & Warsangeli-20,000 = 120,000

Dir Somaliland- Cisse -55,000 & Gadabursi -45,000 = 100,000

Arap= 20,000



A pastoral democracy: a study of pastoralism and politics among the Northern - By I. M. Lewis

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eK6S ... q=&f=false

[Siciid85]

bohol was this just the people under british colony, secondly correction cidagale was 44500 as I saw in one article that makes 45000. but alot has changed who knows who declined and who growed

I actually think Ciidagale was more then that because the british only included those that were under british protection in the Maroodijeex area, they didn't include those in the Hawd 1.

[guryasame]

The original data does not include muuse abokor, it includes cumar jibril. Its clear I.M. Lewis took too much liberty with the original data...one can have his cake and eat it tooo... either data defective or sound. In the 1940's I believe the hawd reserve was still included in Somaliland we can double check. Maxamed Abokor were concentrated in togdheer and sool, the bulk of hy in togdheer and hawd reserve. Tday Maxamed Abokor is concentrated in togdheer and hawd reserve.

[The_Emperior5]

But today ciise muse is larger then Ciidagalle. Or lets even say Jibriel Abokor is larger then Ciidagalle

[Siciid85]

Emperior, that is not entirely true if you said Cisse muse is larger inside somaliland that could be possible laakinse , as you know 60 percent of ciidagale population is based in ethiopia, if it's all ciidagale population in Somaliland iyo Ethiopia then of course its Larger then Cisse Museaad sheegaysiid, Arap and Cisse Muse ba the same size ah sxb don't mistake it for ciidagale..



The only known sub clans of Cisse muse are Adan cisse iyo Maxamed ciisaha , weres Ciidagale have numerous Off springs, Abokar Muse, Abdirahman Muse, Bah Goobdon , Maxamed Daud, Yuunis , and alot of known sub clans markas baad rabta to try and compare to ciise muse your a joker.

[Siciid85]

Guryaasame, if the Habar Jeclo east - Muse Abokar are not included , then we can safely say neither is the H.Y bari - Muse Ismaaciil iyo Sacad Yoonis, Jibril Adan are not included since they had a limited contact with the british.

[The_Emperior5]

Siciid the ciidagalle glory days maanta ma jirto i dont think they are at that large in number how ever they have a large land if u say they have biggerland then ciise muse that can be true but Being larger in population i dont believe that Ciidangalle days was ciidangalle Gashaanbuurtii ciidangalle days waxa ku jiray isxaaq arab xata beelo absame oo saldanada guleed hoos iman jiray aya ciidangalle la odhan jiray But magaci wuxu hadda ku hadhay Daud garxajis. Inay dhul baddan ku qabsadeen muran kuma jiro Laakin Inay dad ahaan yaradeen taasina wa xaqiiqo dhab ooh jirta, Anigu libinta uma diidayo I am related to some of them

[hargaysaay]

to emperror sxb arab become strong self sufficient clan , laakiin waagii hore they were under ciidagale dominance ciidagale considered as a subclan of them, when it comes to land sxb ciidagale has bigger land then sacad and ciise muuse combined , becouse habar awal land stretches from harshin all the way to sheekh. while ciidagale is from gosayga all the way to hargeisa, secondly interms of population I thought you were smart enough to realize 60% of ciidagale lives in ethiopia, and in this later years thousands of people fled areas of south hargeisa becouse of the droughts that makes things worst, thirdly can you explain the reason why ciidagale become majority of gobolka maroodi jeex

[The_Emperior5]

to emperror sxb arab become strong self sufficient clan , laakiin waagii hore they were under ciidagale dominance ciidagale considered as a subclan of them, when it comes to land sxb ciidagale has bigger land then sacad and ciise muuse combined , becouse habar awal land stretches from harshin all the way to sheekh. while ciidagale is from gosayga all the way to hargeisa, secondly interms of population I thought you were smart enough to realize 60% of ciidagale lives in ethiopia, and in this later years thousands of people fled areas of south hargeisa becouse of the droughts that makes things worst, thirdly can you explain the reason why ciidagale become majority of gobolka maroodi jeex

Sxb marka ugu horeysa Ciidagalle inay dhul weyn Ku leeyihin Ethiopia muran kama jiro laakin dad ahaan inay baddanyihin baanu isku hayna Inay ceelka bulaale ka cabban waan ogahay inay mar mar si dhaafan weynu ognahay laakin dad ahaan berigi hore dad sa u farra baddan bey ahayeen laakin dagaaladii ogadenka ay la galleen bay aad ugu madheen Anigu Ciidagalle wa tolkay Suldankoodi na wan ahay wax baddan na waanu isku nahay reerka laakin inay habarawal ka dhul badanyihin taasi waxba kama jiran ileen habrawal Jigjiga bey dagga harti sheikha Qabri bayax Harshin ila iyo galbeedka fog laakin dad ahaan beynu ka hadleyne sxb
Ciidagalle

[hargaysaay]

ok emperor why ciidagale in gobolka maroodi jeex become bigger then sacad muuse in gobolka maroodi jeex when gebiley was exclude,

[The_Emperior5]

ok emperor why ciidagale in gobolka maroodi jeex become bigger then sacad muuse in gobolka maroodi jeex when gebiley was exclude,

What do u mean explane ma maantad ka wadda iyo doorashada?