Somalia/Somaliland talks

[SultanOrder]

Emperior, that issue has been discussed many times. I am simply telling you the reality, that there is no recognition coming from Somalia.

[The_Emperior5]

[The_Emperior5]

In my opinion,these talks are waste of time and resources.the FROS should not compromise on the unity of the country and must insist on it.The only way to get rid of the secessionist menace is through power and war.let us settle this issue through the barrel of the gun and that is basically what it will come down to.

the siilanyo regime has no regal jurisdiction in any part of somali republic,these guys will eventually be dealt like the Timil tiger rebels who were fighting for secession.

With what army with these guys





Go liberate jawhar before you talk to somaliland

[CaliBurco]

how are you going to be a country with people who dont want to be in the same room as you

They can't even share the empty city of Kismaayo with their own tribal cousins

Macaa Voltage baa madaxii xogay

If the entire Isaaq population in the world share one city (Hargeisa) why is it so difficult to imagine some sections of two-subclans within the Darod cannot lead the land to peace and neighborliness?

Loooool.

[The_Emperior5]

The Merehaans have been studying Somalilanders how to be civilized and how to coexist with their fellow Kin

Maybe PO thinks thats where the talks between Somaliland and Somalia is all about

War we are not giving you seminars how to live in peace with ur cousins and this is all about the mayorship of Kismayo

[abdikarim86]

the enfolding of Somaliland conspiracy before my eyes. Somaliland will not become a separate state if Somalia has any say, what don't you guys understand? Do you guys not understand moqifka waxay tahay how we are going to be one country.

The unfolding of SL? You and what army?
Don't say Amisom kenya or whovever the fock
you bastards are fond of bringing into Somali terratory

Next time be more open with this and stop pussyfooting.

[abdikarim86]

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

In my opinion,these talks are waste of time and resources.the FROS should not compromise on the unity of the country and must insist on it.The only way to get rid of the secessionist menace is through power and war.let us settle this issue through the barrel of the gun and that is basically what it will come down to.

the siilanyo regime has no regal jurisdiction in any part of somali republic,these guys will eventually be dealt like the Timil tiger rebels who were fighting for secession.

Abgaal iyo aqli isku aqal ma galaan.

[X.Playa]

When ever i see a somalilander that debates in the manner of Emperor i get this depressing feeling and i utter to myself "god help my people", here we have a man who is basically a somali political junky , he knows every minute details of the southern and somaliland politics and then at the same time you will hear words from him " we have already agreed on 8 pointd talk" so what on earth concern us in these trumpted 8 points? i don't see a single point where the status of somaliland/somalia is mentioned , its all about useless issues that doesn't concern us , copperration on sea , border, trade , its fedralism in a sheep's cloth.

How come Isaaq were short changed , in clan mps , in ministerial distrubtion by the UN and IC and yet the IC demand of somaliland to stick to these 8 points where no nationhood is even on the table, and yet Emporer is hopefull that these 8 points about fish and trades will result in somaliland recognition and he even argues that we should stick to the 8 points . He remines me of Yaasir Carafat with his faked up broken English " what has been agrrrrrredd upon Uslo Akkord" he kept saying these usle word till he perished.,

The Dahabshiil Goverment of Somaliland has to talk and talk at least once , why keep shy and indoors like chicken ? where is Siilaanyo he should have talked long ago and threaten to cancel all talks if the UN doesn't respect the somaliland clan agreements , he didn't , in fact he use to invite Mahiga to somaliland and him along the bald headed foreign minister Mr Mandaqa use to peicfiy us with "amaanka mandaqada, xasiloonida mandaqada, balaa balaa baanu ka wada hadlanay" screw you and the Mandaqa where is somaliland's interest, they were using these words at the same time Mahiga was alloting 28 caln mps for isaaq and 28 clan mps of non-isaaq from somaliland total 56 which saying isaaq are only 50% of somaliland and not even a majority.

Now when finally Mahiga fked somaliland Siilaanyo and his Dahabshiil oligarchs are silent , not only Isaaq was given less share then the Daarood sub clans but even in the formation of the ministers isaaq was given 1 poition , how come siilaanyo didn't even reject that , why do we have to care about what wasiir ku xigeenka xoolaa or the fish minister say , where is Siilaanyo??? when you keep silent from these issues you are secretly nodding , we all remeber what Faroole told the UN and IC , he said if anything that endangerous the interest of puntland comes out of the selection we will reconsider, and this goat owned by Dahabshiil couldn't even dare to tell Mahiga to f off like cigaal did in 1996.


These 8 points are not going to bring anything to somaliland nationhood the talks should be canceled the UN and Somalia goverment and the IC have violated somaliland'd nationhood , territroial integrity and even clan agreements . so fuckk this non sense , these useless talks are only meant to keep us engaged within somalia politics and appear as though we are part of somalia for ever , and these talks are for ever, its all a ploy to slowly blurr the nationhood of somaliland by constant useless talks that will never deal with the real issue. At the same time the IC is helping somalia to stand up and tying our legs and later they will say as they have said so many times "well its up to you and them ".

This play is no different then the Xagale-Toosiye movie remeber emproer the self delcared spokes man of ina Biixi and Siilaanyo telling us Xagale Toosiye will go to Buhoodle and raise somaliland's flag , in fact Xagale Toosiye have just bought 200k house in Hargaysa and is palnning to marry a second wife.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

^ spot on
why the fock did siilaanyo wait so long to be president of SL and now when he achieved that he's more shy than inan la aroosay. Wtf don't we ever learn our lessons in politics (especially african) you have to be sly and ruthless play dirty, but he seems to think recognition will be layed on a silver platter to him.

[The_Emperior5]

Xplaya what is important is that these talks happen on the basics of a few points which was agreed on before now , now why they agreed on those points is not important because it doesn't violate what Somaliland wants but the underlying principle of these 8 points is important. So these talks will not be led by mere minister but by the collective leadership of both Somaliland and Somalia and it will go through 3 stages as you will see. To the second stage of the talks and this is when something of substance will be discussed Xplaya u have to understand in the world of Politics the international community cannot right away present say you guys need to talk about the quest for state hood of Somaliland or its unity with Somalia. If that happened right away the talks would have failed right from the beginning the IC didn't want these talks to fail. So they had to it in away that is reaches to some sort of middle point. Xplaya Somalia doesn't operate as a country we are dealing with an entity that is called the FG the federal government of Somalia with little territorial control and with lots of international intervention. Somalia consists of a few fiefdoms Puntland and Jubaland in the making and the Alshabaab Militants and Sufi grave worshipers. Politically we are dealing with Somalia but in reality we are dealing with the FG. it will take at least 10 years till they built an army a capable police a navy force and unite the various bantustans in Somalia. in any talks in the next year or so we will have the upper hand in the negotiations from much stronger position we control these talks the walanweyns didn't even want to hold talks or even open the debate of Somaliland and Somalia. But the international community wanted these talks and we went along with it there is nothing the Somaliland government should talk about of the 10 minister in Somalia , they included a lady from Somaliland who happens to be married to them leave it to me xplaya these walanweyns meel na inooga ma adkaan karaan.

[X.Playa]

looooooooooooooool , dude maybe you have problem understanding these 8 points , the second stage talk will only be limited to these 8 points and thats it. I don't care if you send Eienstein these 8 points will be the 8 points that will be discuessed , and whats the reason we need to talk to somalia about free trade? no border " sea cooperation" when they don't even recognize your border , sea and even currency?

Its like having a dispute with a neighbour regarding ownership of a propetry ( somaliland) and the judge (IC) tells you , you guys both should share , water, the property ( no border) and have free trade/movement ( meaning you move into his house and him into yours visa versai") , now any sane human being would know what these points imply unless you are a sophiest like empreror.

Thats fedarlism sxb, dadkooo dhan ma wada muraqaanasana igama cilmi badnid. igama caqli badnid , so please stop this non sense , there is no end game for somaliland in that endless usless process.

[The_Emperior5]

X the 8 points are just a staring points from what i understand is you wanted these talks to fail from the beginning we are doing it over with this so called new government of Somalia. Comparing us to the endless Israeli and Palestinian issue is just insane.We are not in a border dispute with the walanweyns nor do they control territory that belongs to us. These talk will not take long it will be settled in the next period of time when the talks re open. We are dealing with a broken country that barely stands on its feets.We just need to get things done with out causing to much havoc

[The`Republic]

Xplaya, I feel confused after reading post. You cry that Somaliland should have been more engaged in Somalia's politics and yet at the same time tie that to Somaliland hardline move towards independence and total separation? I think you are torn and don't know where to go; stay in Somalia but "fight" or totally remove yourself from the situation (which was pretty much Somaliland position before the talks which started this year.)

Somaliland was not engaged with Somalia at all before this year; why would Siilaanyo care what Mahiga and the TFG agreed in their process?

[SultanOrder]

Xplaya, I feel confused after reading post. You cry that Somaliland should have been more engaged in Somalia's politics and yet at the same time tie that to Somaliland hardline move towards independence and total separation? I think you are torn and don't know where to go; stay in Somalia but "fight" or totally remove yourself from the situation (which was pretty much Somaliland position before the talks which started this year.)

Somaliland was not engaged with Somalia at all before this year; why would Siilaanyo care what Mahiga and the TFG agreed in their process?

Xplaya had a point, smart politics would of dictated Somaliland activisim in the tfg make up. If Somaliland had lobbied for fair reprsentation, and more proactive in the IC project, they could of had a strong voice within it's makeup pushing for it's cause. Xplaya knows that talks were inevitable, and asking for a strong isaaq voice within the 4.5 system, does not equate to giving up your goal of independence. Xplaya is critical of somaliland's bad politics.