The Abbasids

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Someone was telling me the other day that Sheekh Isaaq was fleeing the Abbasids when he came to Somalia. I thought the last Abbasid Caliph was killed by Hulagu long before Isaaq arrived.

[hydrogen]

It may compliment the fact that Zeila was never under caliphate rule, I've always wondered as to why.

[SecretAgent]

there's no such thing as isaaq. Its a confederacy of people joining under one umbrella. Your descendants were the quran students of isaaq who was arab but wasn't ur ancestral fathers,fathers, ect
+ der was no qabil somali lands before da arabs came dats wen qabil started

[IbnTaymiyyah]

Someone was telling me the other day that Sheekh Isaaq was fleeing the Abbasids when he came to Somalia. I thought the last Abbasid Caliph was killed by Hulagu long before Isaaq arrived.

The people WHO fled from umayyad and abbasid few of them settled in somalia, but not Northern somalia, nothing is reported on that.

but they have settled in xamar, they are true ancient people of xamar those cad cad, some of them have been there since umayyad, and others abbasids, aswell the andulusia arabs settled on the coast cities of Southern somalia.

so some of those cad cad somali have been more then 1000years in xamar! so thats why they say, only 3 people are true xamaris!

1: Abgaal

2: Murusade

3: Xamar cad cad!

but nothing is reported on North.

the arabs WHO arrived in somalia are well known amongst us, and for how long they live there

[ZubeirAwal]

there's no such thing as isaaq. Its a confederacy of people joining under one umbrella. Your descendants were the quran students of isaaq who was arab but wasn't ur ancestral fathers,fathers, ect
+ der was no qabil somali lands before da arabs came dats wen qabil started

Shut up,to OP

possibly his grandfather fleed, Isaaq's father was born in medina and his father was born in Iraq, Isaaq himself was born in yemen, if Isaaq died in 1327 he must have lived throughout the late 1200's, thus making his grandfather someone who lived in the 1100s

[Hawdian]

Sheikh Isaxaaq bin Ahmed wasn't fleeing any body. He came to Habesha because he was after better opportunities and was interested in preaching the religion. He was born in Makkah but his father is from Iraq. His father might have fled the Iraq Islamic civil war.

Remember all of north Somalia, many parts of Yemen, Djibouti, Eritrea were all part of Habesha and the Habesha kings had very excellent relationship with the Arabs.

It was like present day France and say Germany, even though the two went to many wars, at the same time they had good relations because of the rulers...some were violent while others were great tolerant leaders such as Najeshi (Habesha King).

That's how Sheikh Isaxaaq met his Habesha wife...he probably first arrived in the very very north in whats today Eritrea and north Ethiopia...before moving to the east in whats today Somaliland region.

Here is a map from 622 AD during the life of the Prophet (SAW) and after...the Somali coast back then was simply "BERBERA" or BERBER...dark skinned same meaning as Habesh...

http://www.heritage-history.com/maps/lh ... ica007.jpg

The dotted commercial settlements did not all occur same era...North Ethiopia and Eritrea had far longer ties to Arabia than Somaliland/Somalia...then it was Somaliland (Berbera and Bulhaar)...

Sheikh Isaxaaq was just one of those Arabs seeking better life in Habesha (which included present day SL)...in the 15th century the Muslims began separating from today what is Habeshi tribes (Amhara, Tigray and Gurage)...before that everyone was Habesh (nationality/race). It was only after mass Islamic conversation they began differentiating themselves.

[ZubeirAwal]

^ Nigga he was born in yemen and his father was born in medina, his grandfather was born in Iraq get your facts striaight and he died in the 14th century and not the 15th.

[Hawdian]

Abuukar,

Sheikh Isaxaaq was born in the late 12th century to the 13th century...nigga didn't live for no 100-150 years come son sxb. I am not sure if you get your history from grandmothers or marfish joints.

He never saw Yemen. Sh. Isaxaaq is straight from KSA to Africa.

Tell me how many generations can you count from your own name to the blessed Sheikh?

[ZubeirAwal]

Abuukar,

Sheikh Isaxaaq was born in the late 12th century to the 13th century...nigga didn't live for no 100-150 years come son sxb. I am not sure if you get your history from grandmothers or marfish joints.

He never saw Yemen. Sh. Isaxaaq is straight from KSA to Africa.

Tell me how many generations can you count from your own name to the blessed Sheikh?

You wanna get mathematical on me son?, I count 22 names to awoowo Isaaq, now let's do the math.

A generation can be anywhere from the late 20s to the early 30's, I'm going to use the number 33 to get me calculation.

22x33=726

2013-726=1287

in 1287 awoowo was alive.

Now about his death, it's recorded in several manuscripts written in arabic here's the text:







from a arabic forum , blame google translator for poor grammar:

Ishaq bin Ahmed bin Mohammed bin Hussein bin Ali bin cleanser ibn Abdullah ibn Ayyub bin Mohammed bin Qasim bin Ahmed bin Ali n Issa bin Yahya bin Muhammad (Dujail seven) bin Ali al-Hadi bin Muhammad al-Jawad bin Ali al-Rida ibn Musa al-Kazim ibn Jafar Sadeq bin Mohammed Baqir Ben Ali Zine El Abidine Ben Ali Hussein bin Ali bin Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him.

Migration (IOM), Mr. Mohammed Bin Hussein's grandfather Isaac bin Ahmed from Iraq in the year 498 AH In the era of Caliph adopted in God Abbasi emigrated from the city of mystery of the saw in Iraq is gone he and his wives and his children and grandchildren to Medina to intensified tribulations them after sedition approved and son Moataz Abbasi was God then return grandfather the Messenger of Allah, then inhabited until he died and was buried in 505 AH God's mercy and in the year 506 separated family for financial reasons was their journeys as follows:

1 - two went to safe and good and their mother or good girl Ali bin Zaid ibn Yusuf and their children to Banha honey which villages Egypt .

2 - left Yusuf Abdullah and Haider, Abdul Qadir and their mother or born to Mount السرات in the land of Hijaz .

3 - left Mohammed and Ahmed Hamza and their mother Sharifa Atkp Bint Ali bin Mohammed bin Ali to Yemen .

Left the classroom, Mr. Ahmed Bin Mohammed Bin Al-Hussein, a father of Isaac with Sons five They Nasser, Taher, Sufian, Mohammed, Isaac.

It says Muhammad bin Hussein, Isaaq's grandfather left Iraq in the year 498 AH which is 1108 A.D towards madina and that he died there in 505 AH which is 1115 A.D, and that all of his family seperated in 506 , some towards egypt, some stayed in the Hijaz, and Muhammad, Ahmad, Hamza and their mother went to yemen. Ahmad was the father of Isaaq and Isaaq was born in yemen.

for the rest of the info

http://ashraaf.biz/vb/showthread.php?t=3312

[Hawdian]

That's some bogus shyt made up by Yemenis high on khat who are looking for their own fathers. I can assure you that my grandfather never sent foot on Yemen and he arrived directly from Makkah to Africa and his nick name was Sheikh Isaxaaq el Makkah. He arrived in Habesha in the 12th century.

[ZubeirAwal]

That's some bogus shyt made up by Yemenis high on khat who are looking for their own fathers. I can assure you that my grandfather never sent foot on Yemen and he arrived directly from Makkah to Africa and his nick name was Sheikh Isaxaaq el Makkah. He arrived in Habesha in the 12th century.

Bogus?, I have my sources nigga what are yours? Sh isaaq did go to ethiopia but before that he was in the arabian peninsula, how can you assure me.

[Hawdian]

What you posted is from a Yemeni 'historian' from the 17th century. My theory is not only logical but common sense sxb. Sheikh Isaxaaq doesn't need to migrate from four different places even though back then Yemen (Saba) was pretty much part of KSA.

Sheikh Isaxaaq is accepted by the Bin Hashims (Saudis, Jordanians, Kuwaitis) but Yemenis are no Bin Hashimis...and have no knowledge about him.

The authentic book of Sh. Isaxaaq is available in the Istanbul Museum but we need people to make a trip to Turkey and translate this book.

I also heard others in Damascus predating the Turkish one (which started during the Ottoman rule - the idea was to map all descendants of the Prophet (Ashraafis and Sayidis)). We are Ashraafis (Shareef meaning Noble) because we are from al Hassan line while Sayidis are from al Hussein...the sons of Fatimah.

Don't listen to Yemeni propaganda sxb.

[ZubeirAwal]

Alright man but it makes sense as Hadramawt is a land that has many bani hashims, and yeah I definatly agree that someone needs to go to turkey and get that book

[hydrogen]

Abuukar, what about the fact that 99% of Isaaq don't have a J1/J2 Y-Chromosome?

[ZubeirAwal]

Abuukar, what about the fact that 99% of Isaaq don't have a J1/J2 Y-Chromosome?

99% when possibly less than 50 isaaqs out of 2.5 million took the test, what kind of logic is that