MSB regimes legacy and history(not clan topic)

[NEasterner]

Reply to koront's cheapshots again A/Y and the TFG, and praise of the dictatoria regime of MSB:

The institutions, the infrastructure, somali unity was there before MSB and it's government. That made it easy for that corrupt government to 'function', even mugabes government functions, so what?

Not to mention the foreign aid by russians made it easy to hide all the corruption by adding some 'cosmetic' socialist programs, the MSB regime killed wadaads, massacred innocent civilians because of their clan and brought socialism/atheism to somalia. When the russians where finaly kicked out because they backed Ethiopia instead of somalia, there were somali people celebrating.

Abdullahi Yusuf on the other is cleaning up the mess made by MSB, therefore a little patience before we can judge him.

How can you call yourself a muslim and support the killing of wadaads, and support a government that tried to force scientific socialism aka atheism ideology on the somali muslim people? Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Koronto91]

Did MSB's government troops do this?

"The trouble started when government soldiers went to the market and, at gunpoint, began to help themselves to sacks of grain last week. Islamist insurgents poured into the streets to defend the merchants. The government troops took heavy casualties and retreated all the way back to the presidential palace, supposedly the most secure place in the city. It, too, came under fire."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/world ... ref=slogin

When has the looting of civilians become an acceptable norm for a supposed "government"? Why are they looting when they should be clearing the numerous check-points from the city & restoring security?

The man who charged those wadaads with treason in 1977 was Col. Nur Cadde, the Mbagathi group's PM, why don't you hold him accountable? He was the government's prosecutor and saw it to it that they were executed.

Weak argument, man! Not that I ever supported the killing of those men (one of them was actually a family relative). But I am only pointing out the obvious.

[NEasterner]

Here we go again same old tire, blaming others instead of the regime and the dictator himself. The responsibility for killing those wadaads lies in MSB's hands because he was the dictator in charge, simple really. Don't try'n give him credit for the little accomplished and blame others for the massive failures.

As for the TFG, would this be possible without the TFG? They're maybe some rogue soldiers, but they don't represent A/Y or the government. Wasn't it the government that is trying to reconcile with the asmara group to make something of the country.

http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2008/mar/m ... malia.aspx

[PINK_BUNNY]

Comparin A/Y 2 MSB is like comparin Abraham Lincoln 2 George W. Bush. There is no comparison in any aspect.

[luis1]

I think Siad Barre legacy was negative he killed many somalians and his defeat in 1978 was the begining of the end for Somalia State.

He could become in a hero for somalis but at the end he was only a killer.

He had a a chance in 1978 but he was betrayed by Carter and Somalia paid the price.

I think Siad Barre will be remembered as a killer and the man who destroyed Somalia.

[eternauta]

Comparin A/Y 2 MSB is like comparin Abraham Lincoln 2 George W. Bush. There is no comparison in any aspect.

Is Abraham Lincoln better than George W. Bush? If so, how?

[Koronto91]

Lol. So, if a circuit court judge in Maryland passes a sentence, GW Bush is responsible? All those Germans charged with being Nazi sympathisers in the 1940s and hanged, Truman was responsible? C'mon, man. If you care so much about the fate of those wadaads, why don't you mention all the wadaads that were killed, abducted or sent to Ethiopian prisons with the collaboration of your government?

Trying to pin the incompetence & savagery of the Mbagathi group on a man who's been dead for a decade is quite laughable. What do the following men have in common?

-Qeybdiid: USC general, mass murderer (TFG's chief of police)
-Gacmadheere: USC colonel, mass murderer (TFG's interior minister)
-M. Dheere: USC financeer, crime boss, warlord whose militia still operate isbaarooyin in Xamar (TFG's Mogadishu mayor).
-Jeelle: USC foot soldier, Aideed's close advisor (TFG minister)

What have these men been up to the last decade & a half? They're responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, destruction of national infrastructure, looting of public properties and profiteering from chaos.

Have they ever attoned for their crimes? NO.

Have they acted like a government since 2005? NO.

[PINK_BUNNY]

Comparin A/Y 2 MSB is like comparin Abraham Lincoln 2 George W. Bush. There is no comparison in any aspect.

Is Abraham Lincoln better than George W. Bush? If so, how?

If you live in the states you should know. If not, then AL is generally regarded as the greatest US president. Look him up. Honest Abe is the best US pres.

[eternauta]

If you live in the states you should know. If not, then AL is generally regarded as the greatest US president. Look him up. Honest Abe is the best US pres.

I can guarantee you many Americans do not know AL is the greatest US president or is better than Bush. Now, I challenge you to cite just 5 points comparing the two and highlighting how one is better than the other.

[Xaaji_Xundjuf]

war maanta ma oktober baa maxa idin walay

[PINK_BUNNY]

If you live in the states you should know. If not, then AL is generally regarded as the greatest US president. Look him up. Honest Abe is the best US pres.

I can guarantee you many Americans do not know AL is the greatest US president or is better than Bush. Now, I challenge you to cite just 5 points comparing the two and highlighting how one is better than the other.

Look at my avatar!!

[NEasterner]

This guy is comparing American democracy to siade barre brutal dictatorship? Are you telling me siad had nothing to do with those wadaads being executed and was unaware of it? How can you be taken seriously?

The TFG is not perfect and there are warlords in the TFG, but that is because of the environment of somalia today, unfortunately some of those people have the backing of their clans, and for reconciliation to occur, they must be given some positions. This is after all a government of unity and most of these former warlods come directly under A/Y the president.

Somali's in northwest somalia have moved on and elected riyaale former head of NSS as state president, the TFG is looking to the future not the past. In time better leaders will emerge.

[PINK_BUNNY]

"Within three years, President Mohamed Siad Barre achieved goals that took the previous government forever to decide on. He put in effect the choice of a script for the national language which is still regarded as the greatest achievement in the Somali history.

A massive literacy campaign titled Bar ama Baro (Teach or Learn) was put in place where a large amount civil servants numbering up to 40,000 students were sent to the countryside to educate the nomads in literacy and by 1977, more than 70% of the Somali population had passed literacy tests, a result that had astonished the World and an achievement that was viewed by United Nations as one of the most successful mass-urban literacy campaign ever recorded.

Before the Revolution, intellectuals and academics still used the English or Italian terminological terms. After the Revolution, these terms were Somalized.

Before the Revolution, all textbooks and school books were written by foreign authors and printed in foreign countries. After the Revolution, Somalis had their own school and textbooks, written by Somalis and printed in Somalia. Between 1973 and 1976, the Ministry of Education published over 6 million text-books in Somali. "

Thanks 2 Pres. Siad Somalia still remains the only African country along with Ethiopia 2 have it's native tongue as it's only official language.......And Somalia had been colonized unlike Ethiopia. BTW Somalia's literacy rate was one of the highest in Africa!

[luis1]

But Pink,Siad Barre killed many somalis and he destroyed the Somali State.

He failed before Ethiopia in 1978.

He was very corrupt.

He destroyed the country,he began the somalian civil war.He killed many Issaqs.

[Koronto91]

Ican,

American democracy vs. MSB's rule? That wasn't even the point, just showing how retarded your arguments sound in trying to pin everything that ever happened in Somalia on 1 individual.

Waxaas oo dhan aan ka soo tagno. Let's focus on the Mbagathi group, what are their accomplishments, their goals and their plans for Somalia? What projects are they funding? What institutions have they re-opened? What do they actually do on a daily basis? When are they planning on acting like a real government rather than Zenawi's pickering housewives? Where is all the international donor money? Why aren't they doing anything to combat the widespread looting (never mind this one, since they're the actual perpetrators), lol.

I'll put aside the fact that the Mbagathi group consist of the same war criminals who have crippled Somalia, I'll put aside the fact that they are nothing more than Zenawi's little personal chamber maids, put aside the fact that they were never elected by the Somali people and even the fact that all these warlords were emasculated goats who lost whatever position they may've had at one point all thanks to the the ICU prior to their ousting. Tell me anything they've done that resembles like a government. How long are they sitting in Xamar? Since December 2006 and the city has disintegrated under their incompetence. Why?