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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:06 pm

british somaliland is not a single entity, we have awdal state, khatuumo, saylac lughaya state and maakhir.

There is no such thing as British Somaliland any more there is only the republic of Somaliland and Somalia.
Maybe you haven't read the last communique the talks are between Somalia's government and Somaliland government


Somaliland is not talking to Jubbaland Puntland galmudug ximan iyo xeeb waax iyo waadi ahswj, it only talks to Somali federal government.
The same way Somalia is not talking to cyber states like dawarsi state wasakhgali state,and Kastumo state

The imaginary states u mentioned are all internet states except Khatumo is on the ground but they are also confined in one tuulo in taleex
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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Titanium » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:26 pm

I think the only thing that will be approved is the free movement of people (in this case politicians, including Somalilander MP's).There is no reason for Somaliland to disagree with that for now. They have to make the first move considering their points are too demanding for now and the free movement is the easiest option. It's on them to make the first move. They have to show their willingness to compromise something at the moment. Somalia in the past has been very versatile. Even some have said Somaliland should get independence. Somaliland must show versatility too. There is always that one side when it comes to Somaliland. They have to be considering. They have to show Somalia they are not hard headed. They have to be first. But you have to do step by step. You cant jump to the biggest demand. Somaliland's first point was "recognize us". Easy there tiger :lol:

And what do they mean investment for Somaliland resources? Allowing foreign investment?

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Nomand » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:42 pm

british somaliland is not a single entity, we have awdal state, khatuumo, saylac lughaya state and maakhir.

There is no such thing as British Somaliland any more there is only the republic of Somaliland and Somalia.
Maybe you haven't read the last communique the talks are between Somalia's government and Somaliland government


Somaliland is not talking to Jubbaland Puntland galmudug ximan iyo xeeb waax iyo waadi ahswj, it only talks to Somali federal government.
The same way Somalia is not talking to cyber states like dawarsi state wasakhgali state,and Kastumo state

The imaginary states u mentioned are all internet states except Khatumo is on the ground but they are also confined in one tuulo in taleex
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indeed, it was dissolved and became the republic of somalia.

this is your first step to rehabilitation.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:49 pm

^^ nope it became the Somali republic never the Somalia republic , Somalia is strictly from raskambooni to raas caseer.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Nomand » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:56 pm

^^ nope it became the Somali republic never the Somalia republic , Somalia is strictly from raskambooni to raas caseer.
yes it is the somali republic with the hope of NFD, kili5 and DJ joining, but that never happened but still Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliyeed is offically recgonised as from raas kambooni to awdal.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby sahal80 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:02 pm

This could be agreed on perhaps
Somalia and Somaliland agreed to set up a joint committee to manage the airspace of Somalia and Somaliland defacto state.

Somalia and Somaliland agreed to enhance closer trade relations and cooperation on security matters.

Somalia and Somaliland agreed to allow Somaliland and Somalia politicians to freely travel in between Somalia and Somaliland

Somalia and Somaliland agreed to exchange liaison offices to be opened in hargeisa and Mogadishu

Somalia recognizes Somaliland as separate defacto state

Somalia and Somaliland agreed to continue the talks in the United Kingdom.

Somalia and Somaliland agreed to call upon the international community to set up en expert team of international mediators
One of the govts delegations was telling the VOA its 10 points. Looks like they gonna reach an agreement judging by their pics.
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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:04 pm

^^ nope it became the Somali republic never the Somalia republic , Somalia is strictly from raskambooni to raas caseer.
yes it is the somali republic with the hope of NFD, kili5 and DJ joining, but that never happened but still Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliyeed is offically recgonised as from raas kambooni to awdal.

Yes it is internationally recognized as that but in reality there is huge disintegration in the former dissolved Somali republic , Somaliland left the union altogether . Puntland part of Somalia only if it has a federal structure on one condition, he often threatens with secession if his demands are not met. Jubbaland and Kenya allied together to have an autonomous state and agreed on federal state of Somalia if not they might be integrated into Kenya , Somalia is gone as a united state i dont see anything about that to be changed. Recognition means nothing on the ground if the recognized government cant even enforce their own laws with in their sovereign territory its pretty useless really. Nomand at least ur adeer general muhamad siad recognition on the international stage meant something because he had actual control over Somalia.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Nomand » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:14 pm

^^ nope it became the Somali republic never the Somalia republic , Somalia is strictly from raskambooni to raas caseer.
yes it is the somali republic with the hope of NFD, kili5 and DJ joining, but that never happened but still Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliyeed is offically recgonised as from raas kambooni to awdal.

Yes it is internationally recognized as that but in reality there is huge disintegration in the former dissolved Somali republic , Somaliland left the union altogether . Puntland part of Somalia only if it has a federal structure on one condition, he often threatens with secession if his demands are not met. Jubbaland and Kenya allied together to have an autonomous state and agreed on federal state of Somalia if not they might be integrated into Kenya , Somalia is gone as a united state i dont see anything about that to be changed. Recognition means nothing on the ground if the recognized government cant even enforce their own laws with in their sovereign territory its pretty useless really. Nomand at least ur adeer general muhamad siad recognition on the international stage meant something because he had actual control over Somalia.

as of now you are right, there is no single leader who controls all of somalia and siad barre AUN was the last true president. if we look at waqooyi you have huge parts of sool and sanaag which are not controlled by siilaanyo,

and faroole does not even control parts of mudug and bari.

the somali government does not control a single town. and kenya only controls kismaayo, 5 min outside of kismaayo you have hiiraale on one side and al shabaab on the other.

but all this can change in time but what cannot change is the sovereignty of somalia.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Hawdian » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:27 pm

My Isaaq brothers are not shortage of naive 'leaders'. They don't understand that Hawiye is just taking them for a long walk while they rebuild the only thing that they know----killing machine (Hutu militia).

Isaaq need to support anything to weaken Hutu like Jubbaland and grow out off this Darod dooni mayno mentality. Sometimes Israel deals with Arabs not because it likes them but it knows they can use them to weaken other Arabs and radical Muslims. Darod speaks Hutu language more than Isaaq---so you use that bridge to get to those enemies hiding behind Darod.

Mogadishu sees itself as central rule and is a direct threat to all.

Hawiye knows Isaaq is not going to back down, their mission is not to satisfy Isaaq but to drag them along until Xamar wipes out Jubbaland, Puntland and stars Las Anod in the eyes next.

Isaaqu wuxu eega uun meshu beeri ka gubtay lakin ma eego the new spots with new fires that can burn him mel cusub.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:30 pm

as of now you are right, there is no single leader who controls all of somalia and siad barre AUN was the last true president. if we look at waqooyi you have huge parts of sool and sanaag which are not controlled by siilaanyo,

and faroole does not even control parts of mudug and bari.

the somali government does not control a single town. and kenya only controls kismaayo, 5 min outside of kismaayo you have hiiraale on one side and al shabaab on the other.

but all this can change in time but what cannot change is the sovereignty of somalia.
You mean recognized sovereignty because right now there is no sovreingty in Somalia , Somalia sovreingty can be breached by Ethiopia Kenya any time they want there is no sovreingty although the UN recognized Somalia's sovreingty they cannot protect Somalias sovreingty from being intruded. Sovereignty is protected by the actual country the goverment and the security forces. For example Somaliland has sovereign control over its territory ,although the UN does not recognize that. The regional countries recognize that informally perhaps but they respect the boundaries , except Somalia but they are toothless.

Siilaanyo controls more than 93% of the former British somaliland in territory only parts of the taleex districts is out of his control and parts of dhahar district. The rest is under his control, and the southern part of the buhoodle district. The rest of the country is under his control

Faroole controls all of bari only a few mountains not he controls all the daarood districts of mudug we can say 99% of bari nugaal and northern mudug is under his control. Jubbaland controls controls Kismayo with the help of Kenya and some districts afmadow and others dhooblay and since a few days they moved into goobweyn but they used Kenyan logistics and military support. The same way culusow does with the ugandans and the Burundians and the Ethiopians.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:36 pm

My Isaaq brothers are not shortage of naive 'leaders'. They don't understand that Hawiye is just taking them for a long walk while they rebuild the only thing that they know----killing machine (Hutu militia).

Isaaq need to support anything to weaken Hutu like Jubbaland and grow out off this Darod dooni mayno mentality. Sometimes Israel deals with Arabs not because it likes them but it knows they can use them to weaken other Arabs and radical Muslims. Darod speaks Hutu language more than Isaaq---so you use that bridge to get to those enemies hiding behind Darod.

Mogadishu sees itself as central rule and is a direct threat to all.

Hawiye knows Isaaq is not going to back down, their mission is not to satisfy Isaaq but to drag them along until Xamar wipes out Jubbaland, Puntland and stars Las Anod in the eyes next.

Isaaqu wuxu eega uun meshu beeri ka gubtay lakin ma eego the new spots with new fires that can burn him mel cusub.

Two things isaaq exactly understand hawiye objective they want to prolong these talks and want to make sure we keep talking to them and we give them some support over Somalia. And they can fall back on us , the issue is if hawiye does not cooperate with isaaq on an official exit way out, sooner or later we will get what we want. No need to support daarood. the Daarood will continue to weaken the hawiye led government, for us its only good more space for talks more time for us the more weaker Somalia get. But the thing is we do not want to be seen with daarood, we do not want to further disengage Hawiye from us from a diplomatic point of view. We want hawiye to rely on us, and keep all option open. No need to pick sides hawdian its to early , if hawiyes want to meet us half way we support them if they dont we stay neutral. The daarood with uhurro Kenyatta and william rutto and Godane will keep the pressure on the Hawiye led government and eventually they will reach out to us and we will help them if that is in our best interest . Never use all your cards and never use them to early my friend. you are to radical in your views hawdian sug tartiib. anigu walanweynta daraasaasd cilmi ah baan ku qaatay.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Hawdian » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:51 pm

Khalid I disagree. Somaliland that is going to get the seal of approval from Hawiye or Darod leader as the President of Somalia will never happen. You guys are daydreaming and I will tell you why.

Darod is not going to approve it because he will get big back clash from Darods such as Dolbahante and Warsangeli as well as Hawiye. Hawiye President gives little foc about Dhulos or Warsangelis but he knows he needs Isaaq in the Somalia fold. If Isaaq exists the three-way war, that is going to leave Darod vs Hawiye in that jungle to battle forever. Hawiye knows they need a third party to balance the power and tip the scale in their favor.

Wan la yaba Isaaqa iska so mareeysta that honestly think they are totally a different state and they going to get what they want by simple sweatless talks in some fancy foreign cities. This is a war that needs blood, tears and sweat. Maha walk in the park by Hirsi Gaab and that he will return with a certificate from Hawiye hehehehe. Who is Hawiye to approve of your country?

You have long way to guys to figure this game out.

Weaken Hawiye, support Darod -- change the capital to Hargeisa...stay in the union and if it doesn't work---declare independence from Hargeisa---the already established capital. Game over.

These meaningless talks is only for Hawiye to keep you hooked on the Indian movie cinema while they secretly work on their own production behind the curtains.

I rather sit down with Darod and say this is my border and that's yours and where we can't agree on---we should have rotating administrations.

Hawiye doesn't understand this kind of language they only know shoot, kill and drag.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:08 pm

Bro you are taking a radical approach Hawdian bro The Hawiyes have no long term interest to keep Somaliland with in Somalia but they want to first control Raskambooni to raas caseer. and they cannot agree with Somaliland recognition why because they are fighting on so many fronts Jubbaland to the south Puntland to the north, and they want to keep credibility with in Somalia as leaders and they have to abide to the constitution. You have to understand the predicament the hawiyes are in, hawiyes have no viable state in Somalia and they are fighting for territorial control. The daaroods keep the pressure on the Hawiye the Kenyans are not leaving any time soon and the daaroods will use the Kenyan foreign ministry to pressure the hawiye led government. Hawdian why do you wan to fasten this first lets see if we can take it and how far we can take it , we are now on the final stage of the talks. We can change later our approach ,if the Hawiyes are not willing to cooperate remember in the final stage it has nothing to do with daarood and hawiye leading the talks it will be the international community and our ragganimo how we approach the mediators and get the best deal. If that doesn't work we can always try your approach to remodel Somalia in our favor which will lead to the same end goal. But its to early lets not give up on the Hawiyes to early.

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Re: Somalia and Somaliland talks dead lock

Postby BigBreak » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:34 am

why are zoomalians so stupid which has seen their country burn for over 20 years? if they had a shred of intelligence they would not bother chase a mirage dream aka reuniting with somaliland by realising the majority of people inside somaliland's borders (same as our predecessor british protectorate) opt for independence and sovereignty!
the ethiopians and north sudanese dont seem to be crying so why should the gorrila zoomalians


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