mudug dilemma may reshape somalia!

[sahal80]

Since mudug cant be divided constitutionally and galmudug(officially/legally)consists of two regions, some secret initiative is suggesting to review the whole 18 somali regions!

means creating new regions out of the old provinces

"this could be the only solution for mudug"

[RoobleAlWaliid]

So you think they are going to create a new Gobol in North Mudug's place?

They have to at all cost incorporate North Mudug in the Central State/Galmudug. Soomalidda aqli xumaa smh.

[sahal80]

So you think they are going to create a new Gobol in North Mudug's place?

They have to at all cost incorporate North Mudug in the Central State/Galmudug. Soomalidda aqli xumaa smh.

pl can keep north mudug practically but for constitutional requirement, technically its part of galmudug

What im talking about is one of the scenarios of the post-interim period.....

In that case, this formula will apply to mudug and other regions that may encounter the same problem

looks like federalism will not turn to the advantage of the the folks who were behind it!

[sahal80]

Other news

Many regions are struggling economically as the UNDP hasnt paid shyt for them and the govt for months

But the govt has other sources such as friend countries

There was always disturbance payments every few months from the part of this organization but this time it looks like serious as they got some policy

Looks like cumareey hasnt changed as the monthly turkish budget ($40, 000) that was allocated for yuulks staff has been stopped by turkey

This budget was aimed at to avoid the disturbance from the part of the UNDP!

This organisation doesnt pay for the officials rather the independent advisors, emplooyees and the technicians, so the govts spokenperson used to get paid by yuulkas budget wich has gone

Therefore he resigned!

the money was lost bc of cumareey and his cheif staff from his grandmothers relatives trying to...

[metamorphosis]

Why do I always feel like sahal has no idea what it means to be a rational thinker? Do you really think the so called government has any power to reshape the boarders of the 18 regions? How will it do that? Sometimes it is good to review what you submit before you submit.

[sahal80]

Why do I always feel like sahal has no idea what it means to be a rational thinker? Do you really think the so called government has any power to reshape the boarders of the 18 regions? How will it do that? Sometimes it is good to review what you submit before you submit.

pls read what I said! I said theres some initiative...


its some consultative circles....and could be dicided or not by the independent constitutional comission.....just one of the scenarios.....

[metamorphosis]

So what happens when they decide to do it?

[jalaaludin5]

Its amazing how Sahal makes the lodger of Villa Somalia and his corrupt cronies as if they have any say in what happens beyond muqdisho.

The whole 18 regions kulaha. lol
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[sahal80]

So what happens when they decide to do it?

sxb dont bother about it, what i talk about takes years to come into fruition. Secondly this is not official policy....the govt cant offer constitutional solutions but it can come up with interim solutions.....the final solution lies in the hands of the electoral and boundries commission....

This commission consults with many circles...some of them who hail from that region may prefer this but it will set a precedent as some mentioned...therefore my title

The point is they wont accept half region.

[Bandit]

Wtf are these people doing either use the 18 regions or throw it away.
Just have representive from each region and stop this state bs or trash the whole 18 regions and make clan lines states stop trying to do both

[MJ360]

From Galmudug .5 to Galmudug 1.5

My Hawadle friend this Galmudug 1.5 has zero chances of sitting across from Puntland in the federal members states table. Moving forward in 2016 unlike the 1.5 and the split Hiiraan garbage Garowe's presence is crucial for the federal government; zero option but to tow Puntland's line.

Next time you want to argue about constitutional debate, remember my elders/leaders first extended the olive branch in 1998. Your elders/leaders are 17 years too late. Makes me proud to say my folks than had the common sense to shepherd their own flock and not claim another.

pl can keep north mudug practically but for constitutional requirement, technically its part of galmudug

Deaf, dumb and blind come to mind. Not a lot up their sleeves either besides the 1.5 and the split unconstitutional garbage.

[26June1960]

pl can keep north mudug practically but for constitutional requirement, technically its part of galmudug

This is precisely why Somalia is in the situation it's in. People like you. How can Northern Mudug be part of Galmudug, when Puntland was established way before Galmudug? Furthermore, all Somali Federal States is based on tribalism, therefore since Northern Mudug is inhabited by Daarood subclans who were the founding fathers of Puntland, what makes you claim that Northern Mudug is part of "Galmudug"?

Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaa is currently creating a regional administration in Dhusamareeb consisting Hiiraan, Galguduud and Southern Mudug. Will you support the Dhusamareeb conference or the Cadaado conference?

[sahal80]

pl can keep north mudug practically but for constitutional requirement, technically its part of galmudug

This is precisely why Somalia is in the situation it's in. People like you. How can Northern Mudug be part of Galmudug, when Puntland was established way before Galmudug? Furthermore, all Somali Federal States is based on tribalism, therefore since Northern Mudug is inhabited by Daarood subclans who were the founding fathers of Puntland, what makes you claim that Northern Mudug is part of "Galmudug"?

Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaa is currently creating a regional administration in Dhusamareeb consisting Hiiraan, Galguduud and Southern Mudug. Will you support the Dhusamareeb conference or the Cadaado conference?

i didnt say paractically it includes north mudug

I said technically, galmudug consists of galgaduud and mudug! Even gaas knows it and pressures on the govt to say otherwise but its some thing like they cant hide it anymore bc of galmudug(its system, candidates like guleed)

Dont shoot the messenger!


sorry mate, hiiraan and middle shabelle will form their own federal state

This ahlusunna bla bla doesnt exist anymore just like himanheeb bc messha qabiilaa ko heshiiyey and it doesnt concern us to begin with

[Arcturus]

From the Horse's mouth!

In the most recent conference held regarding Somalia's Federalization process; The IPI conference co chaired by Nicholas Kay, Hirsch and Sidique the following were the objectives:

1. 2015 year of federalism and delivery,
2. Sep 2016 democratization fulfillment.
3. New Federal constitution to be voted 2016.
4. Addressing the Shabab appeal
5. Kay objective keep somalia on the international agenda
6. Success of Federalism based on PL, JL, SWS, CRS,HMS

The above Does not refer to the Somali-Republic of 18-provinces. Instead the entire Road map for Somalia pertains to the 12-Provinces of Somalia-Italia.

When asked about Somaliland the response was: "Two state dialogue, talks have broken, keen to encourage re-ignition".

Please enlighten me on where Federalism or it's intended implementation requires 18-Provinces of the Somali-Republic. Yes it is what is written in the TFG constitution but can i ask how will SFG claim the same 18-Provinces in the intended 2016-constitution?

Unless the The Two-State dialogue process is concluded prior to the SFG's NEW constitution will it risk illegitimate claims or amend the federal constitution to reflect a 12-province Federal formula?

Federalism is only intended for:



So are:

- 2016 Constitution
- New deal Compact july2016
- 2016 Selection process Aug2016 based on consensus within the 12-provinces
- 2016 Government legitimacy expansion
- 2016 Amisom Expansion
- New parliament post Oct2016
- 2016 Begin dialogue on 5-federal member's resource distribution formula

To honor all prior agreements of the internationally sponsored TWO-STATE dialogue process SFG risks it's existence if illegitimate claims are made on anything outside of the 12-provinces.

Alternatively get all the Somaliland politicians on payroll so they can advocate for the discontinuation of the only legitimate dialogue process that affords them leverage. Making a 18-province constitution, parliament and expansion of the federalization process a possibility.

12 Vs 18?

2016 turning point.

[zidane88]

Dawlad fadhiid ah ayuunbu Sahal doonaya inuu duuliyo, initiative iyo almuthamar al islaaxi toona kicin mayan ee iska naso.