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Postby Demure » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:27 am

Is Shabeelada Hoose their main deegaan? Where does 90% of the Gaaljecel people live?
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Somaliman50 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:12 pm

Gaaljecel like some Hawiye clans, move about quite a lot. They live in good numbers in Hiiraan, Jowhar and even Kismaayo.
How comes the Ajuuraan moved away to such distant areas though? I even heard some went as far as Tanzania.
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Shirib » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:22 pm

No their main degaan is Hiiraan
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Demure » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:17 pm

hmm I was lead to believe that most Gaaljecel live in the South specifically in Shabeelada hoose... Hey does anybody know what the Gaaljecels are known for? or what have they ever contributed to the Somali history?

For the longest time I thought Ajuuraan was a mythical clan, I don't think that I ever met one Ajuuran person either... But it would be interesting to know why they scattered so far away, particularly as they had such a rich history.

A new clan that I recently heard of is Jeejeele, I guess they are Hawiye too but a small clan. Anyone know where they live?
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Addoow » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:24 pm

Demure wrote:hmm I was lead to believe that most Gaaljecel live in the South specifically in Shabeelada hoose... Hey does anybody know what the Gaaljecels are known for? or what have they ever contributed to the Somali history?

For the longest time I thought Ajuuraan was a mythical clan, I don't think that I ever met one Ajuuran person either... But it would be interesting to know why they scattered so far away, particularly as they had such a rich history.

A new clan that I recently heard of is Jeejeele, I guess they are Hawiye too but a small clan. Anyone know where they live?



I think you should contact diyaasha tolka.
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Somaliman50 » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:36 pm

Demure wrote:hmm I was lead to believe that most Gaaljecel live in the South specifically in Shabeelada hoose... Hey does anybody know what the Gaaljecels are known for? or what have they ever contributed to the Somali history?

For the longest time I thought Ajuuraan was a mythical clan, I don't think that I ever met one Ajuuran person either... But it would be interesting to know why they scattered so far away, particularly as they had such a rich history.

A new clan that I recently heard of is Jeejeele, I guess they are Hawiye too but a small clan. Anyone know where they live?


Demure, Gaaljecel and Jeejeele and some other clans are Gugundhabe Hawiye. Ajuuraan is Jambeele Hawiye. Yeah they had a powerful history. I heard it was an alliance of Hawiye clans, of which the Ajuuraan lineage established the hegemony in most of Somalia for roughly three centuries. During that time, Imam Ahmad's conquest of Abysinniya took place, and i heard some Hawiye clans like Haskul and Raarane participated, especially in Harar. Also, some commanders and fighters of that Jihad against Abysinnia took refuge in Hawiye country. Anyway, i still need to find out exactly how much terrritory the Ajuuraan dynasty covered in the horn of Africa at it's peak. Did you know some historians like Cassavelli say it was the first centralised state in Somalia until the dictatorship? Maybe Barre should have taken a leaf out of their book and the destruction of that empire :lol:

BTW, Cushite Kingdom's folks are Ajuuraan. They do exist afterall. :lol:
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Demure » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:30 pm

Oh that's right I totally forgot about that Cushite dude!...but still he is just a cyber character so he doesn't count :lol:

Did you know some historians like Cassavelli say it was the first centralised state in Somalia until the dictatorship? Maybe Barre should have taken a leaf out of them and the destruction of that empire


Obvisouly Afweyne was not smart or perceptive enough, and his short sightedness ultimately caused the civil war that is still going on today :cry:

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Why? what's diyesha tolka's deal?
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Somaliman50 » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:58 pm

As for the question, Gaaljecel are just apart the common Somali people. There was one anti colonialist leader who was a Gaaljecel though. Diyeeshaha Tolka is a G-man 8-)
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Shirib » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:56 pm

Hassan Barsane who was an anticolonialist and fiught against the Italians was Gaaljecel. However most of his warriors were Jiida.

In 1923 De Vechi di Val Cismon became the new governor of Somalia by the new fascist Italian regime. De Vechi made it clear that he was out to exterminate all who had opposed his government and take over the Italian vision of “La Grande Somalia.” However the locals were well armed having access to an estimated 16,000 rifles and were not willing to comply. De Vechi made his first goal to collect all the firearms from the locals especially those in the inter-riverine regions. In March of 1924 Sheik Hassan Barsane one of the leaders of the Shabelle valley called for a shir of the local clan elders. The delegate denounced the governors ordered and Barsane on behalf of the delegation wrote the following to the governor

In, the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful… I have received your letter and understood its content, but must advise that we cannot obey your orders and join with you in a covenant… Your government has its laws and we have ours. We accept no law other then ours. Our law is the law of Allah and his Prophet… We are not like other people, none of us have ever enrolled in the Zaptie (colonial forces)! … If you come to our land to fight against us, we will fight you with all possible means…The world is very close to its end, only 58 years remain. We don’t want to stay in this world. It is better to die while defending our laws.

The Barsane revolt of the shabelle valley initially came with some success but crumbled after Sheik Hassan Barsane was captured by Italian forces on April 4th.
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Somaliman50 » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:35 pm

Shirib, was Sh Hassan Barsame released after being captured?
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby CUSHITE KINGDOM » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:00 pm

ajurans are everywhere sxb
believe it or not from what i was told
a lot of them became part of other tribes
during the ajuran vs ajuran wars.
many think that the demise of ajuran has to
do with their clan or tribe but believe me
ajurans power to an end because of
Cabdalla Dayle(ruling family) vs Seerjeele Dayle(olol Diinle).
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Shirib » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:03 pm

abakar20 wrote:Shirib, was Sh Hassan Barsame released after being captured?


No he died in jail AUN
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Somaliman50 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:32 pm

CUSHITE KINGDOM wrote:ajurans are everywhere sxb
believe it or not from what i was told
a lot of them became part of other tribes
during the ajuran vs ajuran wars.
many think that the demise of ajuran has to
do with their clan or tribe but believe me
ajurans power to an end because of
Cabdalla Dayle(ruling family) vs Seerjeele Dayle(olol Diinle).


Cushite Kingdom, did you hear about the story of how the Gareen family tried to poison their grandson Cali Cusmaan, but ended up killing Faadumo Sarjecelle? Oral tradition relate the story of Cali Cusmaan's birth to the birth of Moses. A wiseman once told Boqor Ajuuraan that his kingdom would be toppled one day by Cali Cusmaan.
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby CUSHITE KINGDOM » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:02 pm

abakar20 wrote:
CUSHITE KINGDOM wrote:ajurans are everywhere sxb
believe it or not from what i was told
a lot of them became part of other tribes
during the ajuran vs ajuran wars.
many think that the demise of ajuran has to
do with their clan or tribe but believe me
ajurans power to an end because of
Cabdalla Dayle(ruling family) vs Seerjeele Dayle(olol Diinle).


Cushite Kingdom, did you hear about the story of how the Gareen family tried to poison their grandson Cali Cusmaan, but ended up killing Faadumo Sarjecelle? Oral tradition relate the story of Cali Cusmaan's birth to the birth of Moses. A wiseman once told Boqor Ajuuraan that his kingdom would be toppled one day by Cali Cusmaan.



i didnt know, never heard of such thing.
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Re: Gaaljecel

Postby Somaliman50 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:01 pm

Cushite Kingdom, bro i've been reading on some good sources about the Ajuuraan history and i have done some important work on it. It's a very interesting theme in Somali history and once i've finished working on it, you'll be one of the first to check it out :up:
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