How hard is it really to develop a nation?

[Xanuunku]

How hard is it basically to supply the demand/need of the people? It is not rocket science.

Example, Village X has 100 people, 30 adults, 70 children. Has no running water, electricity, constant food shortage, zero security, no infrastructure, no healthcare, no school, dead economy and so on. So why doesn't the government or people get together ask what they need and FRICKING built it. Allocate the resources to task and just do it. Built the infrastructure, schools, hospitals, subsidize agriculture, create a balance economy, and create healthy industrial relations.

I know my example and reasoning sound crude and simplistic but I starting to think it should be. Just look around the world, China is building ghost cities to prop up its economy, Arab nations building cities/towers for the prestige and you have Israelis creating vibrant cities in the middle of the desert.
I have been reading numerous African forums regarding the development of Africa.

Many Africans have their theory in how we should develop and they give complicated theories. They use buzz words such as manufacturing led development, private sector growth, business confidence, Keynesianism and talking changing the people mentality. Which is all good but is meaningless when nothing is actually being done.

Also with information out there today, being dams, roads, power stations and hospitals shouldn't be that difficult. Look at the utter ease at the quality of hospitals Turkey is building in Xamar,

[hydrogen]

Numerically: 193.

There are 193 members of the United Nations.

[AgentOfChaos]

lolwut? To develop a NATION you first need people who give a shit about the land as a whole, and no, having attachment to only your f-king region doesn't count.

[Tanker]

Not that hard if competent people are running the country

[STARKAST]

Oh if it was that easy.........

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

If intelligent and patriotic people were running Somalia it would be superpower.

[Insigne]

The Bell Curve states that Somalis on average have an IQ on 64. Read it. It's science. The legal cutoff for retardation is 70.

So yes it's impossible you cant blame us walahi

[OjOO]

Solving your problem as society is the first step one take to developed and maintained health society. other is forward thinking.

it seems some are totally denying simply social problem like kaat. how can one who denied that can ever be able to built a nation?

[ElfRuler0]

Dependence is the problem.

[GAMES]

I play SimCity all the time......and it's really really easy to build a city/country infrastructure.

[gurey25]

How hard is it basically to supply the demand/need of the people? It is not rocket science.

Example, Village X has 100 people, 30 adults, 70 children. Has no running water, electricity, constant food shortage, zero security, no infrastructure, no healthcare, no school, dead economy and so on. So why doesn't the government or people get together ask what they need and FRICKING built it. Allocate the resources to task and just do it. Built the infrastructure, schools, hospitals, subsidize agriculture, create a balance economy, and create healthy industrial relations.

I know my example and reasoning sound crude and simplistic but I starting to think it should be. Just look around the world, China is building ghost cities to prop up its economy, Arab nations building cities/towers for the prestige and you have Israelis creating vibrant cities in the middle of the desert.
I have been reading numerous African forums regarding the development of Africa.

Many Africans have their theory in how we should develop and they give complicated theories. They use buzz words such as manufacturing led development, private sector growth, business confidence, Keynesianism and talking changing the people mentality. Which is all good but is meaningless when nothing is actually being done.

Also with information out there today, being dams, roads, power stations and hospitals shouldn't be that difficult. Look at the utter ease at the quality of hospitals Turkey is building in Xamar,

excellent question.
people need to ask these questions and when they sincerly look for answers they will discover that the answer is yes.
It is very simple and straight forward.
The main problem is education and ignorance and misinformation.
The most misinformed are those who are ironically trained as economists, they have been brainwashed by the powers that be (financiers/banking insterests) to think in a certain way, like a religion.

for example one thing that is not addressed and people are kept ignorant of is money.
What is money? what is the nature of money and where does it come from?
does it come from aid? does it come from exports?
this is the main question and once you understand this you will have your answer to development.


Now in you scenario this village has no money but it does have resources, it has people who can provide labour,
they have land, they have water.
how do you get all these people to work and build houses , clean water, etc etc with no money?

You do what banks do, you create it out of thin air and back it by the goodwill and trust of the community.
the money circulates and you have allot of work done, goods and services sold.
you can call it complimentary community currency and there are allot of examples around the world.

This can be scaled up and the entire cities, regions, states and countries can play this game , which they do infact when they create state owned banks.
Publicly owned banks are the secret of Japan and chinas economic success.
Its also the secret of the US development too, when they got their independence.

[LobsterUnit]

Motherfarax, twenty years plus. Still waitin.

[Xanuunku]

How hard is it basically to supply the demand/need of the people? It is not rocket science.

Example, Village X has 100 people, 30 adults, 70 children. Has no running water, electricity, constant food shortage, zero security, no infrastructure, no healthcare, no school, dead economy and so on. So why doesn't the government or people get together ask what they need and FRICKING built it. Allocate the resources to task and just do it. Built the infrastructure, schools, hospitals, subsidize agriculture, create a balance economy, and create healthy industrial relations.

I know my example and reasoning sound crude and simplistic but I starting to think it should be. Just look around the world, China is building ghost cities to prop up its economy, Arab nations building cities/towers for the prestige and you have Israelis creating vibrant cities in the middle of the desert.
I have been reading numerous African forums regarding the development of Africa.

Many Africans have their theory in how we should develop and they give complicated theories. They use buzz words such as manufacturing led development, private sector growth, business confidence, Keynesianism and talking changing the people mentality. Which is all good but is meaningless when nothing is actually being done.

Also with information out there today, being dams, roads, power stations and hospitals shouldn't be that difficult. Look at the utter ease at the quality of hospitals Turkey is building in Xamar,

excellent question.
people need to ask these questions and when they sincerly look for answers they will discover that the answer is yes.
It is very simple and straight forward.
The main problem is education and ignorance and misinformation.
The most misinformed are those who are ironically trained as economists, they have been brainwashed by the powers that be (financiers/banking insterests) to think in a certain way, like a religion.

for example one thing that is not addressed and people are kept ignorant of is money.
What is money? what is the nature of money and where does it come from?
does it come from aid? does it come from exports?
this is the main question and once you understand this you will have your answer to development.


Now in you scenario this village has no money but it does have resources, it has people who can provide labour,
they have land, they have water.
how do you get all these people to work and build houses , clean water, etc etc with no money?

You do what banks do, you create it out of thin air and back it by the goodwill and trust of the community.
the money circulates and you have allot of work done, goods and services sold.
you can call it complimentary community currency and there are allot of examples around the world.

This can be scaled up and the entire cities, regions, states and countries can play this game , which they do infact when they create state owned banks.
Publicly owned banks are the secret of Japan and chinas economic success.
Its also the secret of the US development too, when they got their independence.

Thanks for the insight post,

I always thought along this line regarding money and finance. Why do poor/undeveloped nations even accept AID or loans in the first place? Do they ever question or ask where the West got its loan or AID from?

What I find most disheartening is the willingness African nations are in accepting advice from corrupt banking institutions and rubbish academic sources. Example, Nigeria or Sudan cutting subsidies, allowing for more FDI(exploitation) and opening the mineral/Oil/Gas sector to foreigners. Pure madness, at times.

[hargaysaay]

Its all good that we are having such a healthy discussion in this thread .
I have always believed that Somalia needs a massive and I mean MASSIVE urbanisation we've had it enough with the dusty scrambled out of shape
Towns we call cities .

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Its all good that we are having such a healthy discussion in this thread .
I have always believed that Somalia needs a massive and I mean MASSIVE urbanisation we've had it enough with the dusty scrambled out of shape
Towns we call cities .

Somalia has has three problems interms of work-force. An unskilled and unproductive rural population i.e. Reer Miyi; an unskilled and unproductive urban population i.e. 70% of Reer magaal and lastly, recent graduates with no experience who are unable to find work.

What do they do? They become shark food whilst trying to flee across the Red Sea and Mediterrenean. I know xamar is still unstable and violent, but what is the excuse of the SL government?

excellent question.
people need to ask these questions and when they sincerly look for answers they will discover that the answer is yes.
It is very simple and straight forward.
The main problem is education and ignorance and misinformation.
The most misinformed are those who are ironically trained as economists, they have been brainwashed by the powers that be (financiers/banking insterests) to think in a certain way, like a religion.

for example one thing that is not addressed and people are kept ignorant of is money.
What is money? what is the nature of money and where does it come from?
does it come from aid? does it come from exports?
this is the main question and once you understand this you will have your answer to development.


Now in you scenario this village has no money but it does have resources, it has people who can provide labour,
they have land, they have water.
how do you get all these people to work and build houses , clean water, etc etc with no money?

You do what banks do, you create it out of thin air and back it by the goodwill and trust of the community.
the money circulates and you have allot of work done, goods and services sold.
you can call it complimentary community currency and there are allot of examples around the world.

This can be scaled up and the entire cities, regions, states and countries can play this game , which they do infact when they create state owned banks.
Publicly owned banks are the secret of Japan and chinas economic success.
Its also the secret of the US development too, when they got their independence.

That's all good but, where does the material and expertise come from in your analogy? Where does the copper pipes for heating come from? The material to build underground sewage systems and lead the waste to a safe and clean plant for treatment? Where does the tar and gravel for roads and highways come from? Or the machines that break the stones to make the gravel? Who builds the steel factories to make the railroads? The currency is the easy promote among people within a country, but how do you make sure it's accepted outside the country in the wider world?