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Swiss Voters REJECT Universal Basic Income

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Switzerland's voters reject basic income plan - BBC News

Final results from Sunday's referendum showed that nearly 77% opposed the plan, with only 23% backing it.

The proposal had called for adults to be paid an unconditional monthly income, whether they worked or not.

The supporters camp had suggested a monthly income of 2,500 Swiss francs (£1,755; $2,555) for adults and also SFr625 for each child.

The amounts reflected the high cost of living in Switzerland. It is not clear how the plan would have affected people on higher salaries.

The supporters had also argued that since work was increasingly automated, fewer jobs were available for workers.


Switzerland is the first country to hold such a vote.

There was little support among Swiss politicians for the idea and not a single parliamentary party came out in favour, but the proposal gathered more than 100,000 signatures and was therefore put to the vote under the Swiss popular initiative system.

Critics of the measure said that disconnecting the link between work done and money earned would have been bad for society.

But Che Wagner from the campaign group Basic Income Switzerland, argued before the vote that it would not be money for nothing.

"In Switzerland over 50% of total work that is done is unpaid. It's care work, it's at home, it's in different communities, so that work would be more valued with a basic income."

The popular initiative system
  • Allows citizens to suggest changes to the federal constitution
  • All initiatives that gather 100,000 signatures in 18 months go to a public vote
  • A constitutional amendment by initiative not only requires a majority public vote but a majority of cantons must also approve it
  • Differs from the mandatory referendum, which is called by parliament and does not need public signatures
Meanwhile, Luzi Stamm, a member of parliament for the right-wing Swiss People's Party, opposed the idea.

"Theoretically, if Switzerland were an island, the answer is yes. But with open borders, it's a total impossibility, especially for Switzerland, with a high living standard," he said.

"If you would offer every individual a Swiss amount of money, you would have billions of people who would try to move into Switzerland." :MJ:

The wording on the initiative was vague, asking for a constitutional change to "guarantee the introduction of an unconditional basic income" but with no mention of amounts.

The idea is also under consideration elsewhere. In Finland, the government is considering a trial to give basic income to about 8,000 people from low-income groups.

And the Dutch city of Utrecht is also developing a pilot project that will begin in January 2017.

Another four issues were on the Swiss ballot on Sunday.
  • A proposal to speed up the country's asylum process was backed by nearly 67%
  • The Pro Service Public initiative proposing that bosses of big public sector companies should not earn more than government ministers - a reflection of dissatisfaction with railways and telecoms provider Swisscom. It was rejected by 68% of the voters
  • A proposal to allow genetic testing of embryos before they are inserted in the uterus in cases of in-vitro fertilisation, where either parent carries a serious hereditary disease. It was passed, with 62% backing it
  • Transport financing: An initiative from the car lobby which wants more investment in roads. The government had urged a "No" vote, and it was rejected by 71%.
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Stupid brain washed monkeys, probably it took a massive amount of propaganda to defeat this idea.

It makes a perfect economical sense, the neo liberals fanatic have mentally raped the Europeans, first they destroyed all unions, then they intentionally fired and reduced government employees, then they imported cheap labour, policy after policy to strip people to the bare minimum.

Now a recent study found out the richest one percent have more wealth then the entire humanity on the face of earth. Even the deadly Imf which designed this very system of slavery hav admitted that what they have been advocating for the last 50 years have failed and now income redistribution should be the policy.

For those who are not economic savvy, its simply as this people have no way of earning money to consume, so what should be done ? The solution is the above policy, and that was rejected by the brain washed population used by the rich to vote against their own interest. The rich are not creating jobs, and they dismantled any government that does create jobs, they have all the wealth on earth and they are not spending it in production, now who will consume their products? People are broke.

The system is stuck, we are doomed.
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But for Switzerland-- it is different I think. I don't think they are in danger of going broke. Their only problem is for future. Labor would be scarce as the baby boomers age, youth population decreases. Their labors, and production would be abyss.


I don't think the idea of giving people monthly income whether they work or not is a good idea. It is really a disaster. What would people have as a motivation??? I mean, seriously. I understand a safety net for a rainy day, or stress days--but as a general rule?? No way. That's pathetic.


Also---big government is not good. A small, efficient government should be ideal. government should only function as a provider of essential services like- Policing, Road constructions, and welfare system. The rest is redundant. :eat:
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You don't get it you are just regurgitating Fox News. The issue here is economical, since the private sector ( a euphemism for those who own both wealth and prosperity) are not creating jobs and using their powers and propaganda to stop the government from creating jobs ( using the big government argument) and own the entire wealth on earth, the only option is to somehow empower the government to introduce distributive policy, chief among them the basic income argument.

Somehow the rich have to and must submit to economic reality, when people have money they spend it in goods and services and the economy booms. Now people have no money due to the neo liberal policies which was designed and implemented by rich class to extract wealth from the bottom 99%, and there is no jobs since the rich don't invest in production and instead gamble on wall street.

What solution you suggest thats is acceptable by the rich class?
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X.Playa wrote:Stupid brain washed monkeys, probably it took a massive amount of propaganda to defeat this idea.

It makes a perfect economical sense, the neo liberals fanatic have mentally raped the Europeans, first they destroyed all unions, then they intentionally fired and reduced government employees, then they imported cheap labour, policy after policy to strip people to the bare minimum.

Now a recent study found out the richest one percent have more wealth then the entire humanity on the face of earth. Even the deadly Imf which designed this very system of slavery hav admitted that what they have been advocating for the last 50 years have failed and now income redistribution should be the policy.

For those who are not economic savvy, its simply as this people have no way of earning money to consume, so what should be done ? The solution is the above policy, and that was rejected by the brain washed population used by the rich to vote against their own interest. The rich are not creating jobs, and they dismantled any government that does create jobs, they have all the wealth on earth and they are not spending it in production, now who will consume their products? People are broke.

The system is stuck, we are doomed.
I agree with you here 100%!

I think there will be a big economic and cultural shift soon to come. These "monkeys" as you put it still hold out hope for some fake American dream like fantasy whereby you go to University and earn a living from a 9 to 5 job or perhaps some sort of entrepreurial pursuit. They do not understand that the system is completely geared against the average man. We are all basically debt slaves getting in deeper and deeper shit.

I foresee a massive world war with the east maybe before the petrodollar collapse, mainly the Brics nations vs Nato. Just out of curiosity how do you think this will all play out.
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Re: Swiss Voters REJECT Universal Basic Income

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Basra- wrote:X

But for Switzerland-- it is different I think. I don't think they are in danger of going broke. Their only problem is for future. Labor would be scarce as the baby boomers age, youth population decreases. Their labors, and production would be abyss.


I don't think the idea of giving people monthly income whether they work or not is a good idea. It is really a disaster. What would people have as a motivation??? I mean, seriously. I understand a safety net for a rainy day, or stress days--but as a general rule?? No way. That's pathetic.


Also---big government is not good. A small, efficient government should be ideal. government should only function as a provider of essential services like- Policing, Road constructions, and welfare system. The rest is redundant. :eat:
You're drinking neoliberal kool aid

When automation is mainstream and people have no jobs how do you have a consumption based economy?
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