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Why have you singled out Hirshabelle as the worst?I agree, many bullshit paper mamuuls. The worst gotta be Hirshabelle
not only do they not want 1p1v they are also against multiple location for MP selection. i asked myself this question if waare/lafatagreen or madoobe are secure in their position why would they care if it 1 place or 50 places? why are they fighting tooth and nail to make sure MPS are selected from 1 place only (farmaajo fought hard to add a second location)Warkaan wa xaqiqatan, Somalia as it is now is like a house of cards and the only thing holding it together is the IC and AMSIOM. There has been no bottom up rehabilitation of the state and thus this top down approach can't be sustained unless 1P1V is implemented.
As you said places like Hirshabelle, Galmudug, Koonfur Galbeed are only functioning due to the IC and AMISOM because of three truths that make it different to states such as Puntland and Somaliland and to a lesser degree Jubbaland but that is a special case.
Hirshabelle, Galmudug, and Koonfurgalbeed have three things that make it non functional as independent states.
1) They don't have a source of income outside of the FGS i.e (Port, Taxation, etc.,)
2) They don't provide security services independently of AMISOM and would not last for even a day if those outside forces were to leave.
3)There are no services they provide to the populace in the areas that come under their jurisdiction, this can be insurgent held areas in Galmudug's case (CeelBuur, Ceeldheere, Xarardheere etc.,) or in Hirshabelle's case if you go on the road in many areas you will be taxed by insurgents and they hold sway in much of the region. For koonfurgalbeed the situation was volatile even with the selection of the current leader there and some segments of that populace were willing to put a person like roboow in power which shows some of their mindset.
The differences that JL, PL and SL have is that they receive some income outside of the IC, mainly from their ports (Berbera, Bosaso, Kismayo) they have foreign patronage that is able to directly invest and support the heads of these places (UAE For SL/PL and Kenya for JL outside of a AMISOM contingent) and this allows them to be more so independent. However JL has some similarities to the aforementioned areas in key ways as well that make it a special case.
Having said that I do agree that if there was no outside presence many of the people we see in power today would not be able to do so, in many ways the interference masks up a lot of the lingering wounds with a proverbial bandage. Only 1p1v will be able to remedy this, however many of the current fms leaders are trying to push this down the road which is a dangerous prospect.
Mainy due to security and revenues. Hirshabelle wont last 10 mins without Amisom. It would improve eventually over time hopefully.I agree, many bullshit paper mamuuls. The worst gotta be Hirshabelle
Hirshabelle has one of the most fertile lands in Somalia. How come it isn't able to generate revenues?Mainy due to security and revenues. Hirshabelle wont last 10 mins without Amisom. It would improve eventually over time hopefully.
I am puzzled ask yourour resident caucasian to explain.Hirshabelle has one of the most fertile lands in Somalia. How come it isn't able to generate revenues?Mainy due to security and revenues. Hirshabelle wont last 10 mins without Amisom. It would improve eventually over time hopefully.
not only do they not want 1p1v they are also against multiple location for MP selection. i asked myself this question if waare/lafatagreen or madoobe are secure in their position why would they care if it 1 place or 50 places? why are they fighting tooth and nail to make sure MPS are selected from 1 place only (farmaajo fought hard to add a second location)Warkaan wa xaqiqatan, Somalia as it is now is like a house of cards and the only thing holding it together is the IC and AMSIOM. There has been no bottom up rehabilitation of the state and thus this top down approach can't be sustained unless 1P1V is implemented.
As you said places like Hirshabelle, Galmudug, Koonfur Galbeed are only functioning due to the IC and AMISOM because of three truths that make it different to states such as Puntland and Somaliland and to a lesser degree Jubbaland but that is a special case.
Hirshabelle, Galmudug, and Koonfurgalbeed have three things that make it non functional as independent states.
1) They don't have a source of income outside of the FGS i.e (Port, Taxation, etc.,)
2) They don't provide security services independently of AMISOM and would not last for even a day if those outside forces were to leave.
3)There are no services they provide to the populace in the areas that come under their jurisdiction, this can be insurgent held areas in Galmudug's case (CeelBuur, Ceeldheere, Xarardheere etc.,) or in Hirshabelle's case if you go on the road in many areas you will be taxed by insurgents and they hold sway in much of the region. For koonfurgalbeed the situation was volatile even with the selection of the current leader there and some segments of that populace were willing to put a person like roboow in power which shows some of their mindset.
The differences that JL, PL and SL have is that they receive some income outside of the IC, mainly from their ports (Berbera, Bosaso, Kismayo) they have foreign patronage that is able to directly invest and support the heads of these places (UAE For SL/PL and Kenya for JL outside of a AMISOM contingent) and this allows them to be more so independent. However JL has some similarities to the aforementioned areas in key ways as well that make it a special case.
Having said that I do agree that if there was no outside presence many of the people we see in power today would not be able to do so, in many ways the interference masks up a lot of the lingering wounds with a proverbial bandage. Only 1p1v will be able to remedy this, however many of the current fms leaders are trying to push this down the road which is a dangerous prospect.
then you have clowns celebrating this as if they have defeated farmaajo or won anything, not knowing the very same thing they are celebrating about is the same thing that is shouting "I AM INSECURE ABOUT MY POSITION"
a FMS leader that fully controls his territory would not care about how many locations the mps are selected from. Which is again why i am saying the whole thing is build on complete falsehood and will collapse the moment AMISOM leaves somalia, heck even today no one south of gaalkacyo controls more land or more people then mucalimo, not waare nor lafatagreen.
Madoobe has been in kismaayo for 8 years and still only controls what the kenyans gave him 8 years ago without adding a single inch.
It's a therapy in session, this is like a sanctuary place for them.So the Midgaans don't want or can't handle a decent push back against their constant vitriol and attacks on the noble and blessed Ogaden nation?
Stop removing my posts, cunts!!
Do you notice how absolutely nobody took your bait? Nice try. Ogaden on this site became magaca layskaga qaraabto.So the Midgaans don't want or can't handle a decent push back against their constant vitriol and attacks on the noble and blessed Ogaden nation?
Stop removing my posts, cunts!!
Yes, either way, 1pv1 or amisom leaving is the same to us. What is limiting us is this bullshit amisom crap.not only do they not want 1p1v they are also against multiple location for MP selection. i asked myself this question if waare/lafatagreen or madoobe are secure in their position why would they care if it 1 place or 50 places? why are they fighting tooth and nail to make sure MPS are selected from 1 place only (farmaajo fought hard to add a second location)Warkaan wa xaqiqatan, Somalia as it is now is like a house of cards and the only thing holding it together is the IC and AMSIOM. There has been no bottom up rehabilitation of the state and thus this top down approach can't be sustained unless 1P1V is implemented.
As you said places like Hirshabelle, Galmudug, Koonfur Galbeed are only functioning due to the IC and AMISOM because of three truths that make it different to states such as Puntland and Somaliland and to a lesser degree Jubbaland but that is a special case.
Hirshabelle, Galmudug, and Koonfurgalbeed have three things that make it non functional as independent states.
1) They don't have a source of income outside of the FGS i.e (Port, Taxation, etc.,)
2) They don't provide security services independently of AMISOM and would not last for even a day if those outside forces were to leave.
3)There are no services they provide to the populace in the areas that come under their jurisdiction, this can be insurgent held areas in Galmudug's case (CeelBuur, Ceeldheere, Xarardheere etc.,) or in Hirshabelle's case if you go on the road in many areas you will be taxed by insurgents and they hold sway in much of the region. For koonfurgalbeed the situation was volatile even with the selection of the current leader there and some segments of that populace were willing to put a person like roboow in power which shows some of their mindset.
The differences that JL, PL and SL have is that they receive some income outside of the IC, mainly from their ports (Berbera, Bosaso, Kismayo) they have foreign patronage that is able to directly invest and support the heads of these places (UAE For SL/PL and Kenya for JL outside of a AMISOM contingent) and this allows them to be more so independent. However JL has some similarities to the aforementioned areas in key ways as well that make it a special case.
Having said that I do agree that if there was no outside presence many of the people we see in power today would not be able to do so, in many ways the interference masks up a lot of the lingering wounds with a proverbial bandage. Only 1p1v will be able to remedy this, however many of the current fms leaders are trying to push this down the road which is a dangerous prospect.
then you have clowns celebrating this as if they have defeated farmaajo or won anything, not knowing the very same thing they are celebrating about is the same thing that is shouting "I AM INSECURE ABOUT MY POSITION"
a FMS leader that fully controls his territory would not care about how many locations the mps are selected from. Which is again why i am saying the whole thing is build on complete falsehood and will collapse the moment AMISOM leaves somalia, heck even today no one south of gaalkacyo controls more land or more people then mucalimo, not waare nor lafatagreen.
Madoobe has been in kismaayo for 8 years and still only controls what the kenyans gave him 8 years ago without adding a single inch.
When someone has always been irrelevant or non existent in positions of power they will boast about having an empty title to mask their insecurities. As was said many of these paper states don't control anything and are guarded by AMISOM in a few buildings anything outside of that they have no authority. And rely on poorly equipped militias to fight against the insurgents.
The FMS "leaders" only want one voting place so they can bring representatives that will work towards their interests, if you have multiple areas to choose your mps then they will be beholden to the communities that brought them. Hopefully this is implemented soon and if not, It will be interesting to see what happens when the amisom mandate is over and it's back to survival of the fittest, many of the people you see acting like they are players will have to go back to their positions of irrelevancy since they got no muruq
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