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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby aareeye » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:25 am

since we listing sub clans heres the subs of Reer Guutaale Caynaanshe and Reer Wayd siciid

Gutaale Caynaasnshe

1.Warsame Guutaale (Bah Baydan)
2.Aadan Guutaale (Bah Baydan)
3.Yuusuf Guutaale (Bah Baydan)
4.Maxamed Guutaale (Bah Arab)
5.Abaar Guutaale (Bah Arab)
6.Qaasali Guutaale (Bah Arab)
7.Midle Guutaale (Bah Arab)
8.Magan Guutaale (Bah Arab)
9.Cabdille Guutaale (Bah ?)
10.Cilmi Guutaale (Bah?)
11.Faahiye Guutaale (Bah?)
12.Sugule Guutaale (Bah ?)
13.Xirsi Guutaale (Bah?)
14.Ducaale Gutaale (BAh ?)
15.Caateye Guutaale (Bah Cibraan)
16.Siciid Guutaale (Bah Cibraan)

Reer Wayd

1.Faarax Wayd
2.Cali wayd
3.Axmed Wayd
4.Kaliil Wayd
5.Buraale Wayd
6.Sharmarke Wayd
7.Hagar Wayd
8.Cabsiiye Wayd
9.Warsame Wayd
10,Ismaaciil Wayd
11.Boqore Wayd
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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby aareeye » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:26 am

double post.

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:52 am

since we listing sub clans heres the subs of Reer Guutaale Caynaanshe and Reer Wayd siciid

Gutaale Caynaasnshe

1.Warsame Guutaale (Bah Baydan)
2.Aadan Guutaale (Bah Baydan)
3.Yuusuf Guutaale (Bah Baydan)
4.Maxamed Guutaale (Bah Arab)
5.Abaar Guutaale (Bah Arab)
6.Qaasali Guutaale (Bah Arab)
7.Midle Guutaale (Bah Arab)
8.Magan Guutaale (Bah Arab)
9.Cabdille Guutaale (Bah ?)
10.Cilmi Guutaale (Bah?)
11.Faahiye Guutaale (Bah?)
12.Sugule Guutaale (Bah ?)
13.Xirsi Guutaale (Bah?)
14.Ducaale Gutaale (BAh ?)
15.Caateye Guutaale (Bah Cibraan)
16.Siciid Guutaale (Bah Cibraan)

Reer Wayd

1.Faarax Wayd
2.Cali wayd
3.Axmed Wayd
4.Kaliil Wayd
5.Buraale Wayd
6.Sharmarke Wayd
7.Hagar Wayd
8.Cabsiiye Wayd
9.Warsame Wayd
10,Ismaaciil Wayd
11.Boqore Wayd

Ree Caynaashe iyo Ree Fiqicigaal ayaa isu dhigma

Ree Colow Fiqicigaal wuxuu dhalay 16nin blse ma wada hayo magacyadooda .Sidaa ay tahay Jiisow Fiqi Cigaal oo 7nin dhalay ayaa ku sadex jibaarma .Sidoo Kale ,Guutaale 16nin ayuu dhalay blse Sugulle oo 9 nin dhalay ayaa ku sadex jibaarma .

Halkaa waxaad ka garatay in wiilal badan kaliya lagu helin laandheranimo .laamo badan oo aad u farcamay mudo ku siman 150 ilaa 200 ayaa laandheere lagu noqdaa.

Tan kale Dagaallada badan iyo cuqubadana waa lagu gaabtaa.Tusaale:

sadex nin oo ilmadeero ahaa ayaa min 16 wiil dhalay .waxayna kala ahaayen


Colow Fiqicigaal Guleed Allamagan
Cumar Wacays Guleed Allamagan
FiqiWajaale Dalal Guleed Allamagan


Fiqi Wajaale oo wadaad ahaa ayaa dhahay "Ina adeerkay Colow kulaylka iyo listaanka ayaa iga reebi ,Ina adeerkay Cumar Wacaysna Aftoolka ayaa iga reebi oo furin colaadeed bay xigaan"

Sidii bay noqotay oo Cumar wacays iidoor ayaa gaabiyay .Colowna ma yaro blse rag maanta ree Wajaale ku dhaw maaha .Ree Jiisow iyo Ree Wajaale ayaa lays barbar dhigaa blse Wajaalaha ayaa wax xoogaa badan blse sida ree jiisow uma geel badna .


Hadaan warka soo koobo, Guutaalaha 16ka dhalay lama eka waaxda Bah Makaahiil ee ree Sugulle .Waxaa igala badan Amaan Diiriye iyo Jaamac Diiriye oo laysku daray .

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:44 am

Interesting comparative abtirsis but Just a small piece of advice, when using abtiris to estimate ages of different clans, first compare numerous people from the same clan and get the average abtirsi. Using individuals with exceptionally long or short abtirsis can skew your estimation. Anyways this debate is between you and Mudane X, i'm just going to leave you guys a few 20th century Xirsi Cismaan abtirsis that are not Reer Sugulle.

Xirsi Caamir was a Reer Weyd poet who took part in the Silsilada Xaydha in the mid 20th century

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Aw Diiriye Guuleed (Father of professor Caraale) who also participated in in Silsilada Xaydha
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Vice President of Somalia (1969-71) General Maxamed Caynaanshe

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Abtirsi of Xaaji Waraabe commander of Hagoogane raid

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Faacuul aadan Jugle man who shot Giib in 1922 and refused Cali Dhuux to water his camels at Cammuud


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It is quite natural that individuals might count different generations to their clam partriach .That has to do with factors like early marriage,livestock wealth and family traditions which emphasise on massive breeding .I fully understand your point from that end but in my abtirsi comparison ,I go for the largest sections and sub sections of every clan .For instance :

Xirsi Cisman,Ree Caynashe,Sugulle,Diiriye,Ree Amaan(Iidor ,HY)

Ree Cigale ,Faarax Shirwac,Mahad,Aadan, Ree Warsame (MJ,CumarM)

Ree Warfaa ,Ree Magan ,Dalal,Xirsidalal,Ree Yuusuf

Faarax Ugaas ,Ree Diini,Ree Dalal,Allamagan,Ree Cabdille

Guleed A'magan,FiqiCigaal,Ree Jiisow,Cumar Jiisow,Ree Warfaa



You may keenly observe the comparative abtirsi of some men who lived in the era of Sayyid Maxamd


1.Cumar Ugaas (Maalingur,Samatar Guleed) (OG)

2.Wardhere Shiil (Ree Diini,Ree Dalal)(MRX)

3.Maxamad Xasan (Ree Doolaal,Ree Cukur) (OG)

4.Takar Jaamac (Ree Cigalle ,Ree Mahad) (MJ)

5.Haybe Xuseen (Ree Warfaa,Ree Dalal) (OG)

6.Seed Cawad (Ree Daahir,Ree Yuusuf) (IIDOOR)

7.Nuur Dhaqane ( Faarax Samatar,Ree Geedi Faahiye ) (OG)

8.Dhunkaal Axmadyare (Biciide,Axmad Faarax)(IIDOOR)

9.Ismaaciil Jiciir (Guleed Allamagan,Ree Jiisow) OG

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8.Xirsi..........Guleed......Jiciir...Cigalle
7.Samatar..Faarax.....Doolaal.Shirwa
6.Guleed......Diini........Khalaf..Faarx
5.Samatar...Dalal.......Cukur..Mahad
4.Faarax...A'magan..Liibaan..Aadan
3.Warfaa..Cabdille...Geedi..Warsame
2.Xuseen...Shiil... ..Xasan...Jaama
1.Cumar..Wardhere...Maxmd..Takar

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8.Xirsi......8.Daahir.....Samatar
7.Warfaa.....7.Cumar....Faarax
6.Magan....6.Ismaaciil...Faahiye
5.Dalal.......5.Yuusuf...Geedi
4.Xirsi........4.Muuse.....Cali
3.Yuusuf...3.Sardheeye...Abokor
2.Xuseen...2.Cawad....Dhaqane
1.Haybe ....1.Seed.......Nuur

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8.Biciide .........8.Adan.......Allamagan
7.Faarax ..........7.Dhamal...Guleed
6.Axmad...........6.Ciise ......Fiqicigaal
5.Cali-yare .......5.Cabdi.....Jiisoow
4.Muuse...........4.Guleed...Liibaan
3.Cali................3.Rooble...Maxamad
2.Axmadyare...2.Xasan.....Jiciir
1.Dhunkaal ....1.Xuseen....Ismaacil



8.Cisman.........Guleed
7.Xirsi...............Faarax
6.Caynaashe....Diini
5.Sugulle..........Kooshin
4.Diiriye............Xasan
3.Amaan..........Jaamac
2.Xirsi................Barre
1.Madar ........ ..Siyaad



N/B.Maxamad Siyaad Barre was born in 1919 .So, his father belonged to the 1870s -1890s generation.

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:54 pm

correction of Maxamad Siyaad Barre abtirsi




8.Diini
7.Kooshin
6.Xasan
5.Yuusuf
4.Cabdalle
3.Barre
2.Siyaad
1.Maxamad

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:27 pm

Interesting thread. But this has to be most late rebuttal in somnet history kkkk
:lol: waar xplaya you cause so much ciil this nigga did 3 years of research for a rebuttal :clap:
Not xplaya but i had a good chuckle haha! saddex sanno ayuu baadhitaan ku jiray :lol:

sadex sanno horta anu kuuma sheegin inaan baadhitaan ku jiray blse xaqiiqada jirta ayaa ah in laga soo bilaabo 2015 aan aad u xiisayn jiray inaan si qooto dheer u barto qabaailada somaliyeed,suugaanta iyo sooyaalka umadeena.Snet waxaan u soo gali jiray inaan threadska hawla quseeya si dhaw ula socdo .

Tan kale,Cilmiga qabaailada somaliyeed maaha wax lagu soo koobi karo mudo kooban ,waa badwayn ninkii quusa uu in mudo ah dhex maaxayo .

Xplaya waa aqoonyahan blse kalsooni darro ba'an ayaa haysa waana mida ku kallifta inuu is amaano dadka kalena dacaayad beena uu ku furo .

one of the blatant lie of Khabiir Xplaya.He claimed Guleed had 18 sons but the reality is totally different .

Guuleed Cabdi ( Sultan Guuleed) had 17 sons :

1- Yuusuf
2- rooble
3- Jaamac
4- Diiriye
5-Cigaal
6- Gaatax
7- faarax
8- Ducaale
9- Raage
10- cali
11- Abdi
12- Wacays
13- habarwa
14- Cawd
15- maxamed
16- sugulle
17- Amarah
18- Magan ( later this line died after the sultanate conflict)
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5&t=385407



Guled had 12 sons .hal ayaa fir go'ay (Magan Gabo) 11ka soo haray waxaa loo qaybiyaa labo waaxood oo kala ah

*Bah Cambaro
*Baha Guleed



1-Rooble Guleed (Ba-Cawrala)

2- Ducaale Guleed (Bah Cambaro)
3.Faarax Guleed (Bah Cambaro)
4.Cali Guleed (Bah Cambaro)
5.Cabdi Guleed(Ba-Canbaro)

6-Jaamac Guleed(Ba Saleeban)
7.Yuusuf Guleed ( Ba Saleebaan)
8.Cigaal Guleed (Ba-Saleebaan)

9-Warfaa Guleed (Ba Bartire)
10.Gaataa Guleed(Bah Gooniya)
11.Diiriye Guleed (Ba Muuse Care)

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby aareeye » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:14 am

Reer Sugulle sub clans

Reer Wacays Sugulle

1.Cali Wacays (Ba bulo)
2.Cabdi Wacays (Ba Bulo)
3.Xirsi Wacays
4.Nuur Wacays
5.Abyan Wacays
6.Yuusuf Wacays
7.Madar Wacays
8.Ismaaciil Wacays
9.Xandulle Wacays
10.Diiriye Wacays
11.Liibaan Wacays

Reer Maxamuud Sugulle

1.Warsame Maxamuud (Ba Ashkiro)
2.Jaamac Maxamuud (Ba Ashkiro)
3.Qaalib Maxamuud (Ba Arap)
4.Cawad Maxamuud (Ba Arap)
5. Cawad Maxamuud
6.Yaasiin Maxamuud
7.Axmed Maxamuud
8.Nuur Maxamuud

Reer Xaaji Axmed Sugulle

1.Guleed Axmed (Ba Diran)
2.Libaan Axmed (Ba Diran)
3.Diiriye Axmed (Ba Cali siciid)
4.Xirsi Axmed (Ba Cali Siciid)
5.Ibraahim Axmed
6.Ciise Axmed
7.Ciise Axmed

Reer Maxamed Jaamac (Bah Makaahiil)

1.Guuleed Maxamed (Ba Khayr)
2.Nuur Maxamed (Ba Khayr)
3.Caabi Maxamed (Ba Khayr)
4.Cilmi Maxamed
5.Ismaaciil Maxamed (Ba Ashkiro)
6.Xasan Maxamed (Ba Ashkiro)
7.Warsame Maxamed (Ba Ashkiro
8.Faarax Maxamed (Ba Luufo)
9.Geele Maxamed (Ba Luufo)
10. Hurreh Maxamed (Ba Luufo)
11.Samatar Maxamed (Ba Luufo


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