Beware⚡Original Dervish engaged in disinformation. Fact Checking him w/ UN Report on Charcoal Trade by Ahmed Madobe.

[Gubbet]

Beware : The following quote is disinformation by Original Dervish.

Khalid.....you gotta it right the first time.
When the JVA was ruling Kismayo they cannibalised the people and caused and environmental disaster.
They had no affinity for the land or people because HG/MX were foreign to the region......they even named their criminal alliance walaalaha Galgaduud.

Fortunately they were overthrown and driven out and a new J/L state was born that includes EVERY clan.

Ever since then the former moryaans have been using the last two presidents to return their tyranny to Kismayo.

One thing about Somalis is that we know each other very well......all this talk about democracy, nationalism etc is just a ruse to mask petty tribal agenda.

Beware: The above quote was disinformation by Original Dervish.

THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL CONFIRMS THE OPPOSITE INCLUDING SHOCKING FIRST HAND ACCOUNT WITH EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY BY PROFESSIONAL UN INVESTIGATORS WHO DOCUMENTED THE EXTENT OF THE CHARCOAL TRADE IN KISMAAYO BY AHMED MADOBE AND HIS ASSOCIATES.

[original dervish]

You can post essay after essay......we Somalis know each.
Nobody needs a UN report to know what's going on in Somalia/kismayo.

[Halmogg]

What OD posted is common knowledge. Walalaha Galgaduud atrocities are recent event. Not 100 years ago.

[Gubbet]

You can post essay after essay......we Somalis know each.
Nobody needs a UN report to know what's going on in Somalia/kismayo.

I am not surprised disinformation tries to defend itself through anti-intellectualism.

[Gubbet]

What OD posted is common knowledge. Walalaha Galgaduud atrocities are recent event. Not 100 years ago.

Anti-intellectualism + regressive tribalism is quite literally why Somalia has been unable to get back up from civil war.

Please sit somewhere and read the UN Security Council Investigative Report on this issue;

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/a ... 16_919.pdf

THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY - DEFORESTATION AT 6 MILLION BAGS OF CHARCOAL A YEAR RIGHT NOW------WITH SUCH CLEAR WARNINGS ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Good to know lmao

[original dervish]

I've come to the conclusion this guy actually believes the nonsense he posts. He has convinced himself it's true.

I recognise mental illness when I see it.
This all seems from the hammering Benny use to give him....before eventually exposing his boat race.

[Gubbet]

I've come to the conclusion this guy actually believes the nonsense he posts. He has convinced himself it's true.

I recognise mental illness when I see it.
This all seems from the hammering Benny use to give him....before eventually exposing his boat race.

You don't have a "conscience."

[STARKAST]

What OD posted is common knowledge. Walalaha Galgaduud atrocities are recent event. Not 100 years ago.

Anti-intellectualism + regressive tribalism is quite literally why Somalia has been unable to get back up from civil war.

Please sit somewhere and read the UN Security Council Investigative Report on this issue;

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/a ... 16_919.pdf

THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY - DEFORESTATION AT 6 MILLION BAGS OF CHARCOAL A YEAR RIGHT NOW------WITH SUCH CLEAR WARNINGS ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

Address the claims made instead of redirection, deforestation is not the issue at hand it is the lawlessnes days of JVA, Hiraale.
Basically what we have is MX have got extremely bad PR in Somalia through Kacaan and now faraamjo and within Dblock from Jubba days.
You may not agree but other somali clans/nations have this view which is what you have to try to change.

Also Regarding OD - i think he should worry about being a 3rd class citizen in his own land (sool) instead of Kismaayo activities.

[Gubbet]

What OD posted is common knowledge. Walalaha Galgaduud atrocities are recent event. Not 100 years ago.

Anti-intellectualism + regressive tribalism is quite literally why Somalia has been unable to get back up from civil war.

Please sit somewhere and read the UN Security Council Investigative Report on this issue;

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/a ... 16_919.pdf

THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY - DEFORESTATION AT 6 MILLION BAGS OF CHARCOAL A YEAR RIGHT NOW------WITH SUCH CLEAR WARNINGS ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

Address the claims made instead of redirection, deforestation is not the issue at hand it is the lawlessnes days of JVA, Hiraale.
Basically what we have is MX have got extremely bad PR in Somalia through Kacaan and now faraamjo and within Dblock from Jubba days.
You may not agree but other somali clans/nations have this view which is what you have to try to change.

Also Regarding OD - i think he should worry about being a 3rd class citizen in his own land (sool) instead of Kismaayo activities.

Starkast, with all due respect, 6 Million bags of charcoal are being shipped out of Kismaayo's port right now in 2021 at a time when the effects and impact of climate change and DEFORESTATION in Somalia has the country at FAMINE point cyclically.

I am sorry I do not find litigating clannish grievances from a quarter century ago high priority IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EXISTENTIAL EMERGENCY.

[MrSinister]

Isn't convenient that anything that is against your point of view is disinformation? I've said it before, but a crazy somali is the worst kind because they have indho adeeg as well.

[STARKAST]

Anti-intellectualism + regressive tribalism is quite literally why Somalia has been unable to get back up from civil war.

Please sit somewhere and read the UN Security Council Investigative Report on this issue;

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/a ... 16_919.pdf

THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY - DEFORESTATION AT 6 MILLION BAGS OF CHARCOAL A YEAR RIGHT NOW------WITH SUCH CLEAR WARNINGS ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

Address the claims made instead of redirection, deforestation is not the issue at hand it is the lawlessnes days of JVA, Hiraale.
Basically what we have is MX have got extremely bad PR in Somalia through Kacaan and now faraamjo and within Dblock from Jubba days.
You may not agree but other somali clans/nations have this view which is what you have to try to change.

Also Regarding OD - i think he should worry about being a 3rd class citizen in his own land (sool) instead of Kismaayo activities.

Starkast, with all due respect, 6 Million bags of charcoal are being shipped out of Kismaayo's port right now in 2021 at a time when the effects and impact of climate change and DEFORESTATION in Somalia has the country at FAMINE point cyclically.

I am sorry I do not find litigating clannish grievances from a quarter century ago high priority IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EXISTENTIAL EMERGENCY.

It is a existential threat I agree sxb however it’s not the topic.

The problem further is that you describe the situation as “litigating clannish grievances” and this shows a lack of understanding of why MX are in their position in JL, and how they got there.

[Gubbet]

Starkast, you are incorrect and jn fact I am on record within the past couple weeks even for expressing a holistic, objective perspective on the events of civil war Somalia in the Jubba Regions. Ironically that is something I have never seen either you or your side express.

For reference, please see the topic I opened about Grief and the Northeast regarding trauma from the south.

With thst said, that Reconciliation will have a table, but right now there is a plumbing leak that needs fixing now if we are even to get to sitting around that table for dinner.

6 MILLION BAGS OF CHARCOAL IS A CRISIS.

16,500+- BAGS JUST TODAY

MY GOD, THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY

[original dervish]

Fake UN news........doesn't change facts on the ground.
J/L people will never accept the return of moryaanism.

[grandpakhalif]

Fake UN news........doesn't change facts on the ground.
J/L people will never accept the return of moryaanism.

What mooryanism is bigger than 16500 bags of charcoal gone a day? If Madoobe isnt gone in half a decsde their wont be any trees left