1826; before there was Ethiopia or Somalia there was MYRRHAN LAND or Marehanland.

[Northkil]

In the Ethiopan Imperial Title record, Abagaz is still recognized as one of the most prestigious imperial titles bestowed by the Monarch.

Remember that Harari is an Ethio-Semitic language and the system in the Emirate borrowed well from the long developed Abyssinian systems.

Abagaz

A ruler of a district or region.

https://www.ethiopiancrown.org/traditional.htm

Abagaz = Ugaas

Goyta = [Sareeye] Guuto

Wasn’t maxamad daud a boqor? How did that title get attributed to him ?

[Gubbet]

The title Boqor was adopted by the Italians to translate their King's title.

He couldn't be translated Sultan which was the highest title until them.

Through active usage being borrowed from Bokku, the scepter holder in Oromo Gadda system, Boqor displaced all titles to mean King or highest leader being used to translate King Umberto into Somali.

Everything then to mean highest leader was retold with that new linguistic term.

In 1893, even the nickname of Mohamed Da'ud was told to Robecchi by Marehan. It was Mahat. But there is no reference to the title of Boqor since it didn't exist in the language then.

So Mohamed Da'ud was then relayed as a Sultan to mean the highest leader as understood in the language at that time.

[STARKAST]

Revisionist history

[Northkil]

The title Boqor was adopted by the Italians to translate their King's title.

He couldn't be translated Sultan which was the highest title until them.

Through active usage being borrowed from Bokku, the scepter holder in Oromo Gadda system, Boqor displaced all titles to mean King or highest leader being used to translate King Umberto into Somali.

Everything then to mean highest leader was retold with that new linguistic term.

In 1893, even the nickname of Mohamed Da'ud was told to Robecchi by Marehan. It was Mahat. But there is no reference to the title of Boqor since it didn't exist in the language then.

So Mohamed Da'ud was then relayed as a Sultan to mean the highest leader as understood in the language at that time.

Thanks for the response, very informative indeed.

[Gubbet]

Revisionist history

You are being sensitive because your clan is the only clan to have restyled their traditional leadership "Boqor" in the 1930's.

Yet, in the Italian treaties, you signed as Sultan of Migiurtine.

And before colonialism in the 1800's, your only signature signed in the very early 1800's is "Wali" or "Charge" over Bender Muraayah.

There is no reference to " Boqor" for any Somali leader in history.

And there is no reference to "Sultan" after the early Adal formation in Zaylac was turned into the Emirate of Harar and until the entrance of British colonial boots on thr land in the mid 1800's.

And of course this was all for protectorate reasons to say the "authority" invited us.

That authority was your Kaabo Qabiil, who was no Sultan and nor even an Emir and nor even an Ugaas.

The Sultan was in Constantinople.

The Emir was in Harar.

And the Abegaz was not a chosen title. It was bestowed by Harar.

You don't know the first thing about revisionist history. Your entire understanding of your history is revised during colonialism.

This is called " dispelling myths."

[Northkil]

Revisionist history

You are being sensitive because your clan is the only clan to have restyled their traditional leadership "Boqor" in the 1930's.

Yet, in the Italian treaties, you signed as Sultan of Migiurtine.

And before colonialism in the 1800's, your only signature signed in the very early 1800's is "Wali" or "Charge" over Bender Muraayah.

There is no reference to " Boqor" for any Somali leader in history.

And there is no reference to "Sultan" after the early Adal formation in Zaylac was turned into the Emirate of Harar and until the entrance of British colonial boots on thr land in the mid 1800's.

And of course this was all for protectorate reasons to say the "authority" invited us.

That authority was your Kaabo Qabiil, who was no Sultan and nor even an Emir and nor even an Ugaas.

The Sultan was in Constantinople.

The Emir was in Harar.

And the Abegaz was not a chosen title. It was bestowed by Harar.

You don't know the first thing about revisionist history. Your entire understanding of your history is revised during colonialism.

This is called " dispelling myths."

SHIIIIIIIET (CLAY DAVIS VOICE)

[STARKAST]

Revisionist history

You are being sensitive because your clan is the only clan to have restyled their traditional leadership "Boqor" in the 1930's.

Yet, in the Italian treaties, you signed as Sultan of Migiurtine.

And before colonialism in the 1800's, your only signature signed in the very early 1800's is "Wali" or "Charge" over Bender Muraayah.

There is no reference to " Boqor" for any Somali leader in history.

And there is no reference to "Sultan" after the early Adal formation in Zaylac was turned into the Emirate of Harar and until the entrance of British colonial boots on thr land in the mid 1800's.

And of course this was all for protectorate reasons to say the "authority" invited us.

That authority was your Kaabo Qabiil, who was no Sultan and nor even an Emir and nor even an Ugaas.

The Sultan was in Constantinople.

The Emir was in Harar.

And the Abegaz was not a chosen title. It was bestowed by Harar.

You don't know the first thing about revisionist history. Your entire understanding of your history is revised during colonialism.

This is called " dispelling myths."

Sxb don't get flustered your revisionist history is being rejected. Maybe stay on MX discourse and map and excerpt "breakthroughs"

[Gubbet]

Starkast, MX discourse is Somali discourse and Somali discourse is MX discourse.

Somali history is like dust allowed to settle undisturbed over the ruins of colonial-era myth making.

That dust has never been disturbed to see what is actually underneath. Is it a tomb? A monument? An edifice? Are there artifacts? Or is there nothing?

The dust disturbance = Critical theory

SCIENCE has two pillars as its foundation; DISCOVERY AND CRITICISM.

There is no discovery and even worse, no criticism in Somali historiagraphy; there has only been narrated myth.

Yet, even as an amateur history researcher as a hobby no less, the amount of criticism that have naturally resulted from my perusal is astounding.

Our understanding of our own history is even less tham rudimentary at best.

That's why we have responses like yours; resentment as an inappropriate inference to be drawn from what even our RELATIONSHIP to historiography should be.

Your response as given to anything stated in this topic is inappropriate.

There should be 0 emotional significance about your identity attached to any objective critical theorizing about what titular assignments traditional Somali leadership held historically.

And even more inappropriate is your personal attacks on me for even having that relationship which should not exist in the first place.

[Thecoolguysomali]

Bro is this a sultanate?

Anyone who tells you Somalis had a "Sultanate" is lying to you.

There were no Sultanates among Somalis until the arrival of British colonialism who fanned the naming of "Sultanates" for every traditional Muslim leadership they came across as an anti-Ottoman strategy.

This is because all throughout the middle ages there was only ONE Sultan and it was he who sat in Constantinople (Istanbul) and held the keys of Mecca and Medina.

Everyone else was an Emir or a Wali (Governor).

Emir is like a Prince and an Emirate a Principality.

This is why even HARAR was an Emirate and the leadership of Harar like EMIR NUR IBN MUJAHID were titled Emir not Sultan.



Only the Ottoman ruler who sat in Constantinople and held the keys of Mecca and Medina was Sultan remember.

Ever notice today in the Gulf, ONLY the Saudi leader who sits in Riyadh and holds the keys of Mecca and Medina is MALIK (King).

Every other royal territory in the Gulf is an Emirate. Thr Emir of Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, and until recently the Emir of Bahrain (with Saudi permission it was declared a Kingdom so the Sunni Emir can have greater power over the Shia, Iran inclined majority who are anti-Saudi).

So there were no Somali Sultanates until the 1800's when European colonialism rebranded traditional Somali tribal chiefs in their early spheres of control.

There was only an Emir who was in Harar.

What this looks like is the MAREHAN ABOGASOCH (Marehan Ugaasate / Ugaasnimo).

Ugaas comes from ABEGAZ, the official Harari term for a Warden or Grand-Duke in charge of a very important province or borderlands.


This is similar to another huge misunderstanding which concerns tribal leader nomenclature. Nobody understands UGAAS is the oldest and most historical Somali title in continuous existence. They think it is equal to all other traditional titles.

Do you notice ALL the groups farthest west or important to Harar and Adal historically and today have UGAAS as a leader? Mareexaan, Geri Koombe, Gurguure, Bartirre, even Gudabiirsi, Ciise Madoobe, etc etc etc. They all have UGAAS as their leader---THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.

Only the leader of Adal was EMIR and the clans had an Abogasoch with 1 Abogaz for the most important groups (basically a "Warden" like Game of Thrones) who makes decisions at the council table with the Emir of Harar. And after the separation between Adal and Harar when Adal moved to Aussa defeated in Harar by the Ali Dauud dynasty which became the new EMIRATE (recognizing the Sultan in Istanbul) they still kept the old Abogasoch system for the clans.

There was no clan "Sultan", and even more no existence of the real borrowed Oromo title of "Boqor" until the 1800's when European colonialism entered the land and the Abbysinians given guns started weakening and ultimately destroying Harar.

So the fact of even having SULTAN and BOQOR is itself indicative of what we urban Americans call "new money." It means "nice car, but it sure isn't a classic"

[Turbulence]

The title Boqor was adopted by the Italians to translate their King's title.

He couldn't be translated Sultan which was the highest title until them.

Through active usage being borrowed from Bokku, the scepter holder in Oromo Gadda system, Boqor displaced all titles to mean King or highest leader being used to translate King Umberto into Somali.

Everything then to mean highest leader was retold with that new linguistic term.

In 1893, even the nickname of Mohamed Da'ud was told to Robecchi by Marehan. It was Mahat. But there is no reference to the title of Boqor since it didn't exist in the language then.

So Mohamed Da'ud was then relayed as a Sultan to mean the highest leader as understood in the language at that time.

Very interesting.

[Gubbet]

Small clarification; if there is confusion surrounding what I said, nothing about what I said implies the word "Boqor" was invented altogether.

We are talking TITULAR ASSIGNMENTS like Boqor for "King." There is no historical reference or existence until synonmized with Bokku, the Oromo Scepter holder or "King" of the Gadda.

The word Boqor however is indeed a perfectly Somali word with diverse meaning.

Boqor is for example the translation of "Whip" or the person tasked with consensus gatherings , it is also the translation of a women's garter or midsection tie/belt.

It means "to bind" at the Cushitic Root.