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'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerations

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'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerations

Postby Gubbet » Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:56 am

I will just note here my response to someone who brought up Faafahdhuun to me in politics.

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Gubbet Marehan - Ogaden relationship died with afweyne and Farmaajo placed the final nails into the casket. Maybe you are speaking about our political interests but that won’t align as long as Farmaajo is in the picture. Otherwise you are day dreaming to think Ogadens haven’t forgotten about the genocide and land grabbing Marehans committed in Buurdhuubo,Baardheere,Fafaxdhuun,and southern Gedo. We are far too generous to not have taken full revenge for the crimes committed in the past.

Thank you for a wonderful opportunity to correct the record.

This is all false. It is the mythology used to assauge grievance making.

For example: Faafaxdhuun.

  1. You guys talk incessantly about it claiming it as where "Siad Barre" removed the last Ogaden grazing in Gedo.
    • In reality Marehan seized Faafaxdhuun through active state of hostilities over a 100 years ago
  2. In 1917, TS Thomas, the Senior Assistant to Nairobi based EAP Governor Belfield wrote from on the ground in Serinley (a suburb of Baardheere), the exact year, month, and date Marehan seized Faafaxdhuun, part of then Serinlay District, after deciding to finally end Abdirahman Mursal's belligerance.
    • It was not even the British, but Marehan who made him flee back to Ethiopia once and for all after the 1916 seizure of Faafaxdhuun, the destruction of his maxim gun, and even inflicting a serious wound on him
  3. The oddly ahistorical fixation with Faafaxdhuun as a Siad Barre inflicted grievance by Ogaden is simple, not complex to explain as an ethos for myth creation
    • Faafaxdhuun was just another watering hole like all others in the land. The reason Ogaden make a huge issue out of Faafaxdhuun is because of the psychological impact and inference to be drawn internally about group identity since it is where the decisive Marehan defeat of Abdirahman Mursal was forever concluded.
      • There was no more Abdirahman Mursal in the entire land, issue, or context of the whole of the new land after the Marehan victory and seizure of Faafahdhuun.
  4. He literally fled back to Ethiopia, whence he originally migrated from, and he died in his ancestral lands in Afdheer.
    • It would have been extraordinarily unusual for Ogaden oral history, like all nomadic Somali oral history, to recognize and contribute to the codification and passing down of such, objectively-speaking, an "ignomonious defeat" conclusively settled at their greatest expense; namely the informing factor of Somali clan identity in-group and their oral historical continuity of valor, strength, and perpetual victory, etc etc etc

      Apparently the only things in subjective Somali historiagraphy going by what our clans tell us.
  5. They could not and did not ever recognize Faafaxdhuun was lost in 1916, because to do so would be to recognize WHY it was lost.
    • No Somali clan would voluntarily recognize why a Faafaxdhuun was lost in 1916.
  6. So of course, then, 'Siad Barre stole it for Marehan."
    • Remarkably unfortunate for Ogaden in this situation, the British Government was now ruling this part of the Somali territory and Mr TS Thomas, the Senior Assistant to Nairobi based EAP Governor Belfield, was now officially tasked with on the record field scribing.

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Re: 'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerat

Postby Northkil » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:32 am

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Keep teaching brother that was GOLD, readers take note you can’t try pull a fast 1 on gubbet as he’s gatekeeper.
He on some Giannis shit and you will surely get humiliated if you ain’t got your shit together or your not coming with historical documentations and sources to back your claims, like he does without fail time after time.

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Re: 'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerat

Postby Tallman77 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:26 am

Voltage beenta meeshas ka waad.

But if you are going to defend MSB.
Why did your awoowe Idaajaa chase MSB from the only Guest house in Garbaharey in 1991?
Suddenly MSB become a langaab reer koshin so maaha?
That is the pay back idajaa from shilaabo and reer siyaad diini MSB brought from Ethiopia reciprocated the favour.

MSB caasi wixu ku noqdey Ogaden.Mx iyaga Caasi ku noqdey MSB.
How on earth did the father of MX receive such disprespect in Gedo to the extent he just crossed over to Kenya to be picked up by KDF helicopter in Mandera before Aideed stormed Gedo.

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Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:44 am

Talxe is enough for these caanoboore niggas :lol:

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Re: 'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerat

Postby Tallman77 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 am

Ah, i love it when ilko yar make up history and rewrites posts on Microsoft office tools and make it look like real history

stop dream and stop faking history, a buun who were foot soldiers for the British were both crushed by Cawlyahan Sultan Abdirahman Mursal

Langabs and their KGB tactics of revising history :lol: :lol: sultan abdirahman crushed the british and their buun foot slave soldiers for 17 years the British were forced to exclaim the most formidable foe they ever fought with in whole Africa is that of the Ogaden race

keep up the obsession, did you not see Moalimu "i will feast lunch in Nairobi in 3 days" surrender and give allegiance to sayid Ahmed madoobe ? :D

he begged ahmed to rule for another 10 years, walle ahmed is clever, he starved reer denii of power and gave kursi to the reer hassan majority of gedo who were starved for centuries by abusive marehan tactics

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Postby Gubbet » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:20 am

Tallman known as Patriot,

Sir; perhaps it is time to help you better identify your single least prepossessing, but intriguingly most objectionable quality---always, oddly; and simultaneously expressed in the most uninspiring and the least admirable of boorish behaviours.

You bumble into every argument, and have never been known to refute anything.

Your chosen method for rancid spoilage are 'Red Herring' and 'Strawman,' but your entire predilection is summarized by the fallacy Ignoratio Elenchi.

A fallacy that arises from "ignorance of the nature of refutation".

To refute an assertion, Aristotle says we must prove its contradictory; the proof, consequently, of a proposition which stood in any other relation than that to the original, would be an ignoratio elenchi.


I bid you a wonderful day, Sir.

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Re: 'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerat

Postby Thecoolguysomali » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:21 pm

Gubbet do you have a posh British accent Irl? Wallah you sound posh

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Re: 'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerat

Postby Sbashi » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:54 pm

Voltage beenta meeshas ka waad.

But if you are going to defend MSB.
Why did your awoowe Idaajaa chase MSB from the only Guest house in Garbaharey in 1991?
Suddenly MSB become a langaab reer koshin so maaha?
That is the pay back idajaa from shilaabo and reer siyaad diini MSB brought from Ethiopia reciprocated the favour.

MSB caasi wixu ku noqdey Ogaden.Mx iyaga Caasi ku noqdey MSB.
How on earth did the father of MX receive such disprespect in Gedo to the extent he just crossed over to Kenya to be picked up by KDF helicopter in Mandera before Aideed stormed Gedo.
False. Ogaden became mucaraad before talxe liberation front was formed. It's ogaden who are caasi to the man who made them somali and removed their refugee status.

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Postby Tallman77 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:43 pm

Voltage beenta meeshas ka waad.

But if you are going to defend MSB.
Why did your awoowe Idaajaa chase MSB from the only Guest house in Garbaharey in 1991?
Suddenly MSB become a langaab reer koshin so maaha?
That is the pay back idajaa from shilaabo and reer siyaad diini MSB brought from Ethiopia reciprocated the favour.

MSB caasi wixu ku noqdey Ogaden.Mx iyaga Caasi ku noqdey MSB.
How on earth did the father of MX receive such disprespect in Gedo to the extent he just crossed over to Kenya to be picked up by KDF helicopter in Mandera before Aideed stormed Gedo.
False. Ogaden became mucaraad before talxe liberation front was formed. It's ogaden who are caasi to the man who made them somali and removed their refugee status.
You expected MSB to make ogaden refugees in Somalia by the deliberate and un thoughtful war 1977.
Msb turned NFD into a battle zone by sending mx security agents covertly pretending to be shifta fighting Kenyan govt inside towns rather than outskirts as it was the norm lile Cabdi Madhoobe wagardac terrorist that caused Kenyan govt to burn residential areas in Garissa.

Then MSB armed Talxe to take over Lower Jubba after successfuly chipping out Bardheere & Burdhuubo from Middle Jubba and settling Mx from the 70s.

The last nail of the coffin was when MSB signed ofnthe Ogaden to Ethiopia in 1977.

MSB contribution ton gafen was destruction and insecurity and displacement.While mx bushmen from Ethiopia were invited into Somalia and offered land in Gedo and Xamar.
They were also awarded top govt jobs.

He ended up as refugee in Nigeria while his folks ended up refugees in Kenya Utange.

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Postby Gubbet » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:18 pm

I dare anyone to put 'Cabdi Madhobe' (or however he spells it) the 'Wagardac' on Snet search and tell me there isn't a clear as daylight Marco Rubio-esque talking point someone has singularly been parroting here for years.

All of this cyber belligerence is probably the ruse merely facilitating the "opportunity" to drop the same singular talking point over and over and over again.

Let me guess---so "some" then use it as an "anecdotal" source skirting over the ethical malfeasance of it all while referencing it as a legitimate attribute hiding behind this web address name.

You are a day late and a dollar short.

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Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:40 pm

Ah, i love it when ilko yar make up history and rewrites posts on Microsoft office tools and make it look like real history

stop dream and stop faking history, a buun who were foot soldiers for the British were both crushed by Cawlyahan Sultan Abdirahman Mursal

Langabs and their KGB tactics of revising history :lol: :lol: sultan abdirahman crushed the british and their buun foot slave soldiers for 17 years the British were forced to exclaim the most formidable foe they ever fought with in whole Africa is that of the Ogaden race

keep up the obsession, did you not see Moalimu "i will feast lunch in Nairobi in 3 days" surrender and give allegiance to sayid Ahmed madoobe ? :D

he begged ahmed to rule for another 10 years, walle ahmed is clever, he starved reer denii of power and gave kursi to the reer hassan majority of gedo who were starved for centuries by abusive marehan tactics
The thing is the source i seen before without Gubbet post independently. So how’s that revising history? He came prepared sxb. You on the other are making claims with no evidence. That’s a waste of time and no point even engaging in good faith debate.

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Re: 'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerat

Postby Tallman77 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:45 pm

Ah, i love it when ilko yar make up history and rewrites posts on Microsoft office tools and make it look like real history

stop dream and stop faking history, a buun who were foot soldiers for the British were both crushed by Cawlyahan Sultan Abdirahman Mursal

Langabs and their KGB tactics of revising history :lol: :lol: sultan abdirahman crushed the british and their buun foot slave soldiers for 17 years the British were forced to exclaim the most formidable foe they ever fought with in whole Africa is that of the Ogaden race

keep up the obsession, did you not see Moalimu "i will feast lunch in Nairobi in 3 days" surrender and give allegiance to sayid Ahmed madoobe ? :D

he begged ahmed to rule for another 10 years, walle ahmed is clever, he starved reer denii of power and gave kursi to the reer hassan majority of gedo who were starved for centuries by abusive marehan tactics
The thing is the source i seen before without Gubbet post independently. So how’s that revising history? He came prepared sxb. You on the other are making claims with no evidence. That’s a waste of time and no point even engaging in good faith debate.
Keep taling orders from voltage like kulane jiss :lol:
Then lets talk when you cant breath like your goat herder adeer mucalimo. :lol:

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Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:50 pm

Ah, i love it when ilko yar make up history and rewrites posts on Microsoft office tools and make it look like real history

stop dream and stop faking history, a buun who were foot soldiers for the British were both crushed by Cawlyahan Sultan Abdirahman Mursal

Langabs and their KGB tactics of revising history :lol: :lol: sultan abdirahman crushed the british and their buun foot slave soldiers for 17 years the British were forced to exclaim the most formidable foe they ever fought with in whole Africa is that of the Ogaden race

keep up the obsession, did you not see Moalimu "i will feast lunch in Nairobi in 3 days" surrender and give allegiance to sayid Ahmed madoobe ? :D

he begged ahmed to rule for another 10 years, walle ahmed is clever, he starved reer denii of power and gave kursi to the reer hassan majority of gedo who were starved for centuries by abusive marehan tactics
The thing is the source i seen before without Gubbet post independently. So how’s that revising history? He came prepared sxb. You on the other are making claims with no evidence. That’s a waste of time and no point even engaging in good faith debate.
Keep taling orders from voltage like kulane jiss
Then lets talk when you cant breath like your goat herder adeer mucalimo. :lol:
Better than taking orders from a adoomey

:damn:

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Re: 'Faafahdhuun' Ogaden grievance vs Siad Barre exm. of false mythology 4 unrelated clan identity insecurity considerat

Postby Gubbet » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:00 pm

To Saddam;

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