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Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offense

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Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offense

Postby Gubbet » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:33 pm

This is astounding.

I have never seen this man say this about any of all that has happened in Somalia since 1991.

In fact, it is because of him that I came to understand Somalia could never be resolved in international courtrooms at a very young age.

Even the stuff surrounding Ali Samantar and Tuke---those are all local US jurisdictions implicating civil, not criminal, petitions by American Somalis.

Right before anything has even happened, he finds the circumstance in Las Anod vs Muuse (not "Somaliland", not "Isaaq") so extraordinary within the civil war of Somalia experience starting since 1978 that in his estimation he believes for the "1st" time were "Muuse" to "release/direct" hostilities ("punishment") against Las Anod---the unprecedented and uniquely compelling nature of it would automatically implicate this as a "chargeable/indictable" international law criminal human rights violations.

He simply said;

1. It is not two Somali communities (tribes/clans) fighting over natural or socio-political resources.
2. It does not concern factional entities fighting over the same in the absence of legitimate authority.
3. It is not even about power or even authority or in other words they are not fighting over who will control "Somaliland" or who will control "Somalia."


Essentially, you have 1 guy in one part of Somalia who has a "posse" and there is one community over there in the large backdrop of Somalia's civil war and like a "gangster" with a "posse" sending his goons because he can just to wreak havoc because he didn't receive "tribute" ----that's what Muuse would be for the 1st time in Somalia's civil war if he were to attack Las Canod; a head honcho/"papa"/boss/head thug of a thug outfit/posse/gang/mafia.

Las Canod would not be fighting WITH some other legitimate social, political, or even state entity because of power or resources.

Las Anod would be TARGETED with punishment (destruction, death, and submission) because she has said she will no longer pay tribute to Muuse & his posse.

And all of this now in the info age & with so much clear documention + international scrutiny.

This man "Muuse" really needs to seek legal advice from his own personal attorneys or get one if he doesn't already have it.

State solicitors will not even cut it. He needs someone hired concerned with his own personal defense to give him legal advice that contextualizes how uniquely singular this issue is in which he has disportionate and even overwhelming responsibility for a conflict potentially implicating international human rights abuses.

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby theyuusuf143 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:05 pm

We are ready for war .

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby original dervish » Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:47 pm

Then it is war you will get.

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby Gubbet » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:57 pm

The exchange in another topic between Mohoka (Abgaal) and Yusuf Murursade) must have been what Ali Wardhiigley (Murusade) and Jimcaale Cosoble (Abgaal) were saying when they were starting USC.

J/k but there is a comparison here.

Habar Awal - Abgaal
Garxajis -HG
Habar Jeclo = Murursade

The USC brought everything to bear in Somalia to invade Gedo.

It failed.

Then they destroyed each other in Benadir.

HG ate Murursade first.

Then Abgaal and HG made a border between Xamar after killing more of each other than anything could ever he accused of by Siad Barre or Darod.

Darod ended up officially winning Kismaayo as spoil.

Mohaka and Yusuf may end up in grief if they actually invade Las Anod.

It is highly probable, instead, they will fail and engulf the triangle in destruction.

I won't be surprised if Garxajis ends up eating Habar Jeclo.

Followed by Sacad Muuse and Garxajis ending up with a green line in Hargeisa with the northern half led from Jigjigyar and the southern half led from Masalaha and/or New Hargeisa.


I am not predicting this; I won't be surprised if it happens.

Conflict is a b.itch and one premeditated on dulan and kibir has a long pattern in Somali experience.

You tempt that beast and the ricochet goes down to Hebel Y Muuse and Hebel X Muuse.

And Cerigaabo, like Kismaayo, may end up going as spoil to the group you are now discussing invading.

But certainly, "Caynaba" valley has a very real possibility of coming back into Darwiish usage like Rer Caabudwaaq, once again, today, hold the equity of the rolling ban or grass prairies of "Gelinsoor" valley once again.
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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby original dervish » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:14 pm

I have no doubt the coming iidoor invasion will backfire in their faces.

The only thing that unites iidoors is their hatred for Darood.

Remove SSC from the picture and the iidoors will fall upon each other like rabid dogs.

Even at this late stage I call upon all iidoors to choose peace over war.

We have the olive branch in one hand and a gun in the other......do not let the olive branch fall from our hands.

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby Gubbet » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:29 pm

Wadaad complimenting Waranle.

Marehan victory has been the Greatest when Wadaad beseeched honor rather than when Waranle projected arrogance.

We are ready for war kulaha.

You have empowered wadaad in your opponents.

Wadaad is ordained by Heaven to the glory of Victory---always.

You lost before you have shot the first shot, Yusuf.

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby Khalid Ali » Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:34 pm

Garxajis and habar awal are brothers not cousins we are kin related by blood and our history goes way back together in mait as for the qurjiiles they will willingly submit or unwillingly it’s the same for us and there is no Somalia to speak of nee are talking about the bunker a faker tfg who has no legitimacy’s out side of this very bunker . Yesterday maxammad cali and lixle were leading this time it is the messiah who leads us against the Ig noble al khadam jebertis


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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby gobdoon » Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:35 am

I have no doubt the coming iidoor invasion will backfire in their faces.

The only thing that unites iidoors is their hatred for Darood.

Remove SSC from the picture and the iidoors will fall upon each other like rabid dogs.

Even at this late stage I call upon all iidoors to choose peace over war.

We have the olive branch in one hand and a gun in the other......do not let the olive branch fall from our hands.
About time Iidoor taught a lesson, I don't their fake Cuqdad and hatred for Darood started from the country had a government where all qabiils participated some of them had clashes with it

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby Gubbet » Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:59 am

Garxajis and habar awal are brothers not cousins we are kin related by blood and our history goes way back together in mait as for the qurjiiles they will willingly submit or unwillingly it’s the same for us and there is no Somalia to speak of nee are talking about the bunker a faker tfg who has no legitimacy’s out side of this very bunker . Yesterday maxammad cali and lixle were leading this time it is the messiah who leads us against the Ig noble al khadam jebertis
Garxajis is overwhelmingly T. Sacad Muuse is overwhelmingly E-V32. The point about this is everything including your perception about the possibility of conflict is an "illusion." Illusions depend on a curtain---you move the curtain you have a parallel universe. You are not any less likely to fight than any other Somali clan and in fact probably more likely than some like Rahanwayn. You already had a green line before in Hargeisa and another happening in the future is more possible than less. Engaging in conflict based on "xaq-darro" is a sure proven route to tempt fate in recreating that possibility.

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby Khalid Ali » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:42 pm

Nonsense there allot of sacad muse who are also t there are also garxajis who are e1. It doesn’t proof any thing isaaq is one and garxajis and awal are the closest to each other then any other group in somaliland balaxooftada run ha moodin. What green line in hargeisa there was never any green line habarkaaga meel xun la hel but can’t divide isaaq isaaq is all one and the same and there hasn’t been a civil conflict in sl since 1996. Bal tirso that is 27 years ago

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby AbkoowDhiblaawe » Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:08 pm


The USC brought everything to bear in Somalia to invade Gedo.
Not true at all. Mudulood/Murusade wing of USC did not invade Gedo. The HG faction of USC managed to chase MSB out of Somalia on their own.

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Postby Gubbet » Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:07 pm


The USC brought everything to bear in Somalia to invade Gedo.
Not true at all. Mudulood/Murusade wing of USC did not invade Gedo. The HG faction of USC managed to chase MSB out of Somalia on their own.
There were "Wacaysle" Abgaal from Mareeg, Wacdan from Buulo Mareer, Duduble from Galcad, Xawaadle from Maxaas, Gaaljecel from Buqda, pre-Hawiye Garre and Degoodie from Ethiopia and Kenya, Dir Koonfureed from Biyamaal and Gaadsan near Jamaame, Fiqi Muxumed and Qubeys from all hamlets, there was Eylo and Eelay from Buurhakabo, Macalinwayne, Hadame, Laysan and all Raxanwayn from Berdaale to Barawe, there were even Somali Bantu from Shiidle in Jowhar and Xamarwayne, to all of the Gosha tongue-in-check but real weaponized war tool called "Kamasle Hawiye."

1 sub-clan of Darod called Marehan who lives in southern Somalia where you surrounded them 80% on all sides but the western side of Marehan in Caabudwaaq

They weaponized the entire population in juxtaposition to them.

Walaal, Habar Gidirtaad sheegeyso the only time we faced them even forming the primary force of Aideed was their attack on Balanbale and Caabudwaaq a stone-throw away from all their major settlements.

The Battle of Feero Qumumah happened outside Balanbale and they never, ever attacked again.

People even think Marehan "lost" Gedo for it to be occupied less than the month that USC occupied it.

No, there was no "battle" that Marehan even attempted realizing the ridiculous reality that every single population ---those even living with them, among them, behind them, etc---were all the enemy.

Marehan tactically "vacated" Gedo as a fighting force---SO THEY CAN CONFIRM EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE UP AGAINST. Which group was with who.

They allowed USC and Caydiid to roll in and watched as their neighbors---the ones who were hostile and/or supposed to backstab them---confirmed themselves believing Marehan had been conquered finally.

The only part of the entire land and border not occupied by the unholy alliance was the small border with Cawlyahan Kenya south of Ceel-waaq at Gerileey which goes on to Habaaswayne and further Kenya Ogaden land.

Halkaas buu Marehan isku guray until they were absolutely confident that enough time had passed (close to a month) for any group who was going to implicate themselves to have done so and also plan exactly how they would fight this two pronged battle.

One against Aideed and the USC huwan and the other against the activated umbrella of all non-Darod locals of Gedo and Jubbaland and even bordering them from Raxanwayn in Bay, Garre in Mandera and Kenya, Degoodiye from Dollow Bay to Liban, Dir all over especially Luuq, etc etc etc.

Wallahi I don't know any other Somali clan that could have survived that onslaught and not have gone the way of "Ajuuraan" except for Marehan who has 600 years of war xeer uniquely within Somalis.

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby theyuusuf143 » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:38 am

The mission was not even to fight mareexaan , it was to prevent maxamed siyaad to regroup . Simple don't make it like peaple were gathered against your Clan. That's none sense habargidir Mujaahidin never intended to occupy your west gedo land , if they wanted to harm you they coul flash you out of galgaduud.

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Re: Uncle (esteemed intern. law prosecutor): if Muuse attacks Las Anod, 1st "clear" int. law "indictable" Somalia offens

Postby Gubbet » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:37 am

The mission was not even to fight mareexaan , it was to prevent maxamed siyaad to regroup . Simple don't make it like peaple were gathered against your Clan. That's none sense habargidir Mujaahidin never intended to occupy your west gedo land , if they wanted to harm you they coul flash you out of galgaduud.
This is probably the best example of Habar fadhida lagdan la fududaa I have ever seen on this forum.

I am reminded of Dhulbahante poet Maaweel's poem XARBI SADE IYO XIN KABLALAX (Sade Prowess Is the Envy of Kablalax), the most famous poem within Darood of the last half century, penned on that occasion from Kismaayo;
Gabaygii: Xarbi Sade &Xin Kablalax

Gabaygan Abwaan maaweel waxuu ka marshay isaga oo Jooga Jubada Hoose kolkii dagaalada qabaa'ilku ka socdeen gabaygan u ku sheegayo guushii ay Mareexaan ka soo hooyeen markii dagaalada ka dhaceen Koonfurta Soomaliya Abwaanku waxuu Yidhi:-

Mareexaan dalkiisii xoree Ama xallaaleeye
Waatuu xagaagii Dhawayd xoog ku soo galaye
Xaaraami waligiisba waa xagal ka daacaaye
Xaq ku dirirse Eebbaa lajira oo xagiisa ah'e
Xunayn iyo waxii Beder ka dhacay waa xadiis ruma ah'e
Xogtuu Ina Warsame soo Bandhigay waan xaqiiqsadaye
Bal maan warkii xalay lay yidhi xayda ka cadeeyo
Xilli nabad ah beeshoo wanaag lagu xayaaqaayo
Wixii xoqaya ruux baaday ah oo laga xanaaneeyo

...

Xawaadle iyo Dudublaa ku go'ay xowligii Gedo'e
Colkuu xulay caydiid doraad looma xiiq tirane
Xarbiyahandii reer Sade baa xuub sidiis liqaye
Xayn goosan taa uu weer helay xero ma yeeshaane
Xabaal baan dhargine dhowr kun baa xuurta loo wadhaye
Libintay xanbaarteen kurbay naga xayuub sheene
Xanay ku hadha xabiib kayoow ku farax xiiran nacabkeeda
Adna xaasidoow xumo adays jaray xiniinyaha'e
Adna xaasidoow dhimo la jabi xulufadaadiiye
Marka xaasidoow, wiil yaroo Eyduur ari raac ayaad ahayd hadaadba gaadhay kolkaa Yusufoow, marka adeer iska aamus. Shib dheh. :)


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