Islam--is our religion flawed?

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

Ibroz,

tell ya CIA Boss the Hizbul Shabcab of Somalia said hi

[The_Patriot]

[quote="ibroX"][quote="HutuKing01"][quote="ms.nalia"][quote="ibroX"]Those of you doubting my authenticity need to stop fooling yourselves. The reason why I never posted in this forum before is because I don't speak Somali and can't fit in with you all because my perspective would always be so different.[/quote]


[b][color=#0080BF]Just because you dont speak somali doesnt mean you will get rediculed in here...most of us dont write in somali anyways. That being said, I think the reason why your getting alot of backlash is because your critizing something you say you are. If this was a topic about somali ppl....almost all pro-somali people would jump you to defend it, same thing with religion. Doest matter what you try to debate, there are certain hott buttons for EVERY PERSON...that is religion & nationalism ....everyone is touchy about those topics.
Yours just happens to be the number 1 topic that ppl dont take on lightly. I think you have guts saying this, but I doubt that youd say this on a public forum where people are actualy looking at you....this is alot safer for you because no one knows who you are.
But I hope you find what your looking for. [/color][/b][/quote]

You are hoping that he finds atheism,or polytheistchristianity?
Its much better to say: May Allah guide you.This somali is 1inch close to apostacy,serious crime under islamic country with shariahlaw.[/quote]

Let me ask you believers a question: Remember the story of how the Mountain went to Mohamed? Okay, a whole mountain got up and came to Mohamed. Don't you think that in this day and age we'd have GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE of such a thing happening? I mean, it's a beautiful [i]story[/i], but do you all REALLY belief that such a thing happened and if so how do you account for the lack of evidence?[/quote]

dude one thing for sure please explain the mountain story.
Then about scientific advancements.
Most of them are theories and everyday other scientists rectify the mistakes made by their predicessors.

[ibroX]

Ibroz,

tell ya CIA Boss the Hizbul Shabcab of Somalia said hi

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

I hope All American soliders die... a SLOW death

Amiin


fukkin Gaalorac

[ibroX]

[quote="The_Patriot
dude one thing for sure please explain the mountain story.
Then about scientific advancements.
Most of them are theories and everyday other scientists rectify the mistakes made by their predicessors.[/quote]

Yes, science is based on incremental progress, trial and error where as religion is based on blind dogma. Again I ask: Why is there no geological evidence for the Mountain story?

[ibroX]

I hope All American soliders die... a SLOW death

Amiin


fukkin Gaalorac

Go to hell you terrorist sympathizer.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

Ain't a Terrorist supporter

but everytime a Gaal and Dhabdhilfo die


im happy

[The_Patriot]

[quote="ibroX"][quote="The_Patriot
dude one thing for sure please explain the mountain story.
Then about scientific advancements.
Most of them are theories and everyday other scientists rectify the mistakes made by their predicessors.[/quote]

Yes, science is based on incremental progress, trial and error where as religion is based on blind dogma. Again I ask: Why is there no geological evidence for the Mountain story?[/quote]

Dude all religions apart from Islam are based on blind dogmas.

about the geological evidence? what advancement do you think that the day to day gelogists have that can even hint to it.
The scientists of today will be regarded mediviel in probably 50 to 100 yrs to come and their techniques would be termed as crude.

As for the religion, its the answer to our spiritual wellbeing.
If you dont know the purpose of life then life would be meaningless even if you had acheived scientific excellence.

[Firefly]

I can't believe what I'm hearing. If Islam demands your death if you leave it then quite frankly it is an awful religion. Of course I'm an apostate--I will most certainly NOT be raising my children as Muslims--I won't be raising them as any other religion either, but if they find religion I hope it isn't the one that, should they change their mind, demands their heads be cut off! That's digusting and EVIL. Are you all familiar with the concept of FREEDOM OF CONCIENCE? Why is Islam as a religion so insecure as to not allow its adherents the freedom to reject it? You won't find any other major world religion that's the same. Maybe Christianity was like that before the 1600s but hardly anymore. Why can't Islam grow up like all the other religions? Yea okay call me kuffar or whatever, I eat pork and think gays shouldn't be prosecuted.

Since you're in the West, there is no Shariah Law in place, so you don't have to worry about your head getting chopped off.

You came here with doubts about Islam, and the two brothers have debated with you point by point. They've been patient, welcoming and merciful. However, there is always a line you can't cross. You can't say that Islam is an "awful religion" in a forum full of Muslims and expect no rebuttal. Frankly, Islam is a perfect religion, if you don't like it, that's your problem. I'd rather follow Islam, a religion sent down by the one True God, then man made laws.

Islam is perfect, it doesn't need to grow up, it isn't insecure. The problem is that non- muslims want Islam to 'improve' just like Christianity, but Islam won't change for anyone, not for George Bush, the Zionists, or for you. Look what happened to Christianity, they had the Old testament, now they have the New testament, and it's been written by thousands of people. They changed it in order to fit in, in an attempt to modernize itself, however, Islam stands clear, it won't change, it won't budge, and it will/has stood the test of time. The words of the Qur'an will never change because it's from the All-Mighty. So Islam will never become as watered down as Christianity, no matter how bad you want it to. If you want to be a Muslim, you have to accept the Qur'an and Sunnah 100%. As humans we are weak, so we will err from time to time, that's why Allah (swt) tells us to repent because He is the Most-Merciful. However, the mistakes that Muslims make in no way affects the perfection of Islam.

Seriously, you've been Muslim all your life, and you just found out about the penalty for a believer who leaves Islam?

[ms.nalia]

Just let him be y'll...

ibrox...honey do what you want. Islam does not say to kill those who disbelive.

[The_Patriot]

For one to ever help ibrox we need to understand his views and ideology.
Ibrox what else were you told about Islam?

[Basra-]

Patriot....


I would like to know 'YOUR OWN' purpose/understanding of life according to you, The_Patriot!



"If you dont know the purpose of life then life would be meaningless even if you had acheived scientific excellence."

[The_Patriot]

Basra waxaan kacabsanaya inanti reer garaad ine namaqasho.
So shukansi wey inaga xirantahay
macal asaf shadiid.
wadh ogtahay in islaamka naloo ogoladhey 4 nagoodh.
Aniguu nee hal baan rabey inan kuekaadho lakiin maadhamo adhh appeal sameysey.
we will reconsider.
jawabta suug 5 working days

[Shirib]

I can't believe what I'm hearing. If Islam demands your death if you leave it then quite frankly it is an awful religion. Of course I'm an apostate--I will most certainly NOT be raising my children as Muslims--I won't be raising them as any other religion either, but if they find religion I hope it isn't the one that, should they change their mind, demands their heads be cut off! That's digusting and EVIL. Are you all familiar with the concept of FREEDOM OF CONCIENCE? Why is Islam as a religion so insecure as to not allow its adherents the freedom to reject it? You won't find any other major world religion that's the same. Maybe Christianity was like that before the 1600s but hardly anymore. Why can't Islam grow up like all the other religions? Yea okay call me kuffar or whatever, I eat pork and think gays shouldn't be prosecuted.

Leaving Islam is treason.

Whats the punishment for treason in America and most of the world?

Death is the punishment, how is this different from any other laws?

Th laws of most countries are thus awful then under ur judgement.

[Shirib]

Ibrox

I still don't see the flaw that u see.

Ur just repeatin the media, ur practically quoting them. There is many problems with Muslims but none with Islam. But the media blames Islam when a Muslim does something and when someone else does something there religion is not blamed. This is clearly evident, and ur repeating it.

What do u think is flawed about Islam, that pertains to Islam.

I believe I have done a good job in answering, ur thoughts and will be answering to anything else that u think.

May Allah help us.