Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

[surrender]

I have been following this topic since the beginning. He is basically saying that we don't need the xadiis and that they are all false. These kind of ideology is the one of the Quraniyyoun, they only accept the quran and reject the axadiis

but that doesnt make sense. if they accept the quran surly the sahiihi hadith (for example) should be accepted because everything they write has quranic proof to back it up.

[UkMan9]

(Qur'an 16:89) "And We have revealed the Book to you which has clear explanation of everything, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit."

(Qur’an 6:115-116) “The words of your Lord are complete in its truth and justice. Nothing can change His words – He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing. If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would lead you away from the path of Allah. They follow nothing but speculation – they are merely guessing.”

abdalla............bro

Have you ever read the Qur'an on its own? What part of it did you not understand? How could you said Diin are not Complete without the Ahadiths? Or you telling us that Allah lied when he said Quran is Complete!!!! If you read the Qur'an with an unprejudiced mind you will notice how clear and direct all the verses of the Qur'an are. The Qur'an is complete and contains all the details necessary for religion. Up until this point, you may have been conditioned by the majority around you to think that the Qur'an is incomplete and in need of secondary sources such as hadith and 'tafsir' works. As the above verse states, the Qur'an explains all matters - it is not the other way round where other books have to explain the Qur'an - a false notion many people have come to believe. Allah states the Qur'an is complete, fully detailed and elaborate:

(Qur’an 7:2) “This Book has been sent down to you (Prophet) – let there be no anxiety in your heart about it – so that you may use it to give warning and to remind the believers (by telling them): ‘Follow what has been sent down to you from your Lord: do not follow other masters beside Him. How seldom you take heed!’ ”

(Qur’an 5:99) “The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver the message: Allah knows what you reveal and what you conceal.”
"And thus do We elaborate the verses so that they may say: 'You have read' and that We may make it clear to a people who know" (Qur'an 6:105)

(Qur'an 6:114) “Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?”

(Qur’an 6:50)"Say, ‘I do not say to you that I have treasures of Allah, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me.’ "
(Qur'an 21:10) "We have sent down to you a Book containing your message. Do you not understand?"

(Qur'an 28:85) "He Who imposed the Qur'an upon you will certainly bring you back home again. Say, 'My Lord knows best who has brought true guidance and who is plainly misguided."

"Do they want judgement according to the time of pagan ignorance? Is there any better judge than Allah for those of firm faith?” (Qur’an 5:50)

(Qur’an 3:23) “Have you considered those who were asked to accept judgement from Allah’s Book? When they are asked to accept judgement from Allah’s Book, some of them turn their backs and walk away!”

(Qur’an 2:213) “Mankind was a single community, then Allah sent Prophets to bring good news and warning, and with them He sent the Book with the Truth, to judge between people in the disagreements. It was only those to whom it was given who disagreed about it after clear verses had come to them, because of rivalry between them. So by His leave Allah guided the believers to the truth they had differed about: Allah guides whoever He wills to a straight path.”

(Qur’an 6:155-157) "This too, is a blessed Book which We have sent down – follow it and be conscious of your Lord, so that you may receive mercy – lest you say, ‘Books were sent to two communities before us: we were not aware of what they studied’, or ‘if only the Book had been sent down to us, we would have been better guided than them.’ Now your Lord has brought you clear evidence, guidance, and mercy. Who could be more wrong then someone who rejects Allah’s Revelations and turns away from them? We shall repay those who turn away from our verses with a painful punishment."

(Qur'an 54:17) "And We made the Qur'an easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?"

(Qur'an 25:30) "And the Messenger said, 'My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an' "

[UkMan9]

abdalla11 wrote.............

((((( but that doesnt make sense. if they accept the quran surly the sahiihi hadith (for example) should be accepted because everything they write has quranic proof to back it up.)))))

Plzzzzzz .............bring the Quraanic proof

[UkMan9]

[6:39] Those who reject our proofs are deaf and dumb, in total darkness. Whomever GOD wills, He sends astray, and whomever He wills, He leads in a straight path.

[30:58] Thus, we have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples. Yet, no matter what kind of proof you present to the disbelievers, they say, "You are falsifiers."
Divine Intervention
[30:59] GOD thus seals the hearts of those who do not know.

[UkMan9]

(3:3132) "Say (O Muhammad), 'If you love God, then follow me. God will then love you, and forgive your sins; God is forgiver, merciful.' Say, 'Obey God and the messenger.' If they turn away, then God loves not the disbelievers."


(24:56) "You shall observe Salat & Zakat, and obey the messenger, that you may attain mercy."


(72:23) "Anyone who disobeys God and His messenger will abide in the fire of hell forever."


(4:80) "Obeying the Messenger is obeying God."


(53:3) "and he (Muhammad) does not speak on his own initiative."


JEW (YAHUUD) Torah

(Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15) "A prophet like me, will the Lord, your God, raise up for you from among your own kinsmen; to him you shall listen."


(Deuteronomy 18:18-19) "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their kinsmen, and will put my words into his mouth; he shall tell them all that I command him. If any man will not listen to my words which he speaks in my name, I myself will make him answer for it."


Cristian Bible...............


(Gospel of John 14:10) "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own initiative, but the Father abiding in me does His works."


(John 16:13) "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak; and he will disclose to you what is to come." ...............

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

Praise be to Allaah.

Some people have started to claim that the Sunnah is not a source of legislation. They call themselves “al-Qur’aaniyyeen” and say that we have the Qur’aan, so we take as halaal whatever it allows and take as haraam whatever it forbids. The Sunnah, according to their claims, is full of fabricated ahaadeeth falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

They are the successors of other people about whom the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us. Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim reported with a saheeh isnaad from al-Miqdaam that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, ‘Between us and you is the Book of Allaah: what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haraam, we take as haraam.’


But listen! Whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allaah forbids.” (Al-Fath al-Kabeer, 3/438. Al-Tirmidhi reported it with different wording, and said that it is hasan saheeh. Sunan al-Tirmidhi bi Sharh Ibn al-‘Arabi, al-Saawi edn., 10/132). The name al-Qur’aaniyyeen does not befit these people, because the Qur’aan tells us, in almost one hundred aayahs, to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Obedience to the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is considered in the Qur’aan to be a part of obedience to Allaah, may He be glorified.


“He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allaah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad) as a watcher over them.” [al-Nisa’ 4:80 – interpretation of the meaning].

The Qur’aan, which they claim to follow, denies the faith of the one who refuses to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and does not accept his ruling: “But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisa’ 4:65 – interpretation of the meaning]


Their suggestion that the Sunnah is “contaminated” with fabricated ahaadeeth is not valid, because the scholars of this ummah took the utmost care to purify the Sunnah from all alien elements. If they had any doubts about the truthfulness of any narrator, or there was the slightest possibility that he could have forgotten something, this would be sufficient grounds for rejecting a hadeeth.

Even the enemies of this ummah have stated that no other nation has paid so much attention to examining its reports and their narrators, especially in the case of reports narrated from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).


For it to be obligatory to follow a hadeeth, it is sufficient for it to be known that it is a saheeh (authentic, sound) hadeeth narrated from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).


The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was content to convey his message by sending just one of his Companions, which proves that the hadeeth reported by one trustworthy person must be followed.

Moreover, we would ask these people: where are the aayaat which tell us how to pray, or which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily, or which tell us about the nisaab on various kinds of wealth for the purpose of zakaah, or about the details of the rituals of Hajj, and other rulings which we can only know from the Sunnah?

Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 1/44

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/3440/quran%20only

[ModerateMuslim]

makes no sense. if you're unable to accept the sunnah, why bother with the book?

[UkMan9]

Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah ............Ac Wr Wb....Bro

Plzzzzzz i beg of you plzzz and plzzz open your heart and your brain and read the below verse carefully and then listen to the guy..........

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (6:114-116)

Did you find anything? If your answer is no then let me enlighten it to you ...................

The man said “Quran said AQIIMU SALAAT and there are no details from the Quran” which means Quran is not fully detailed and Allah Said Quran is fully detailed!!!!.....................

Therefore Bro who are you going to believe ALLAH or the MAN and who is telling the truth ALLAH or the MAN?!!!! Please answer these Qs with your heart..........


Refusing to believe God in His repeated assertions that the QURAN IS COMPLETE, PERFECT, & SHALL BE THE ONLY SOURCE of religious guidance, and following the conjecture known as Hadith & Sunna constitutes deification of the prophet Muhammad against his will.

"Say (O Muhammad), 'If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would have run out before my Lord runs out of words, even if we supplied twice as much ink.' Say (O Muhammad), 'I am no more than a human being like you. It has been revealed to me that your God is ONE GOD. Thus, anyone who looks forward to meeting his Lord shall lead a righteous life, and NEVER SET UP ANY IDOLS beside his Lord.'" (18:109-110)

These verses clearly inform us that God does not suffer from shortage of words; that He gave us ALL THE WORDS we need in this Quran, and that we should not seek the words of Muhammad, or anyone else, and that Muhammad is a man like other men; he should not be idolized (see end of verse).........

"Say (O Muhammad), 'I am no more than a human being like you. It has been revealed to me that your God is ONE GOD. Therefore, you shall observe Him ALONE, and ask His forgiveness, AND WOE TO THE IDOLWORSHIPERS.'" (41:6)

"Say (O Muhammad), 'I do not bring anything new that is different from any other messenger. I have no idea what may happen to me, or to you. I simply follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a manifest warner.'" (46:9)

"Say (O Muhammad), 'I possess no power to benefit or harm even myself, except in accordance with God's will. (Nor do I know the future); had I known the future, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, as well as bearer of good news for those who believe.'" (7:188)

Read it more............

"They insist upon following conjecture, when the guidance is given to them herein from their Lord." (53:23)

"We sent down to you THIS BOOK truthfully, confirming all previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall judge among them according to what is sent down from God (this book), and do not follow their wishes if they deviate from the truth.... You shall judge among them according to what is send down from God (this book); do not follow their wishes, and BEWARE lest they divert you from that which is sent down to you from God (this book).... Would they seek the laws of ignorance? WHO IS BETTER THAN GOD as a lawmaker, for those who sincerely believe?" (Quran 5:48-50)

MUHAMMAD (SCWS) FORBIDDEN FROM UTTERING ANY RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTIONS OTHER THAN QURAN

"This (Quran) is the utterance of an honorable messenger. It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe. Nor is it the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed. A revelation from the Lord of the universe. HAD HE EVER UTTERED ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS UTTERANCES (attributed to us), we would have punished him severely, then we would have stopped the revelation to him (fired him). None of you could have protected him against us." (69:40-47)


Bro....These very clear verses teach us that Muhammad(SCWS) was forbidden from uttering any religious teachings beside Quran. the powerful expressions leave no doubt whatsoever that the Prophet's sole function was to "DELIVER" Quran, the whole Quran, and NOTHING but Quran.

MUHAMMAD (SCWS) ORDERED NEVER TO DEVIATE FROM QURAN. DEVIATION MEANT SEVERE PUNISHMENT

"They almost diverted you (O Muhammad) from our revelations to you; they wanted you to fabricate something else to consider you a friend. If it were not that we strengthened you, you almost leaned towards them a little bit. Had you done it, we would have doubled the punishment for you in this life, and after death; no one could have protected you against us." (17:73-75)


In setting the example for us, the Prophet was ordered to adhere strictly to God's revelations to him, as Quran. The slightest deviation from Quran incurs severe retribution.

Muhammad ( SCWS) ordered to deliver QURAN ALONE, without the least alteration, and never to "fabricate" anything else:

"When our verses are recited for them, those who do not expect to meet us would say, 'Bring a Quran other than this, or change it.' Say (O Muhammad), 'I cannot change it on my own initiative. I simply follow what is revealed to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of a terrible day.' ...Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God, or rejects His revelations? The guilty never succeed. Yet, they idolize beside God those who possess no power to harm them or benefit them, and say, 'These are our intercessors with God.' ...such is idolworship." (10:1518)

Obeying the messenger is absolute only as far as the Quranic revelations are concerned.

Obedience is strictly ON CONDITION THAT the source is God through the messenger, and not the messenger who is no more than a human being, subject to errors.........As shown in the verse below, the messenger as a man is to be obeyed ONLY if he is right:

"O prophet, if the believing women come to you and pledge that they will not idolize anything beside God, nor steal, nor commit adultery, nor kill their children, nor produce any falsehood, nor disobey you WHEN YOU ARE RIGHT, you shall accept their pledge, and ask God to forgive them." (60:12)



"Every messenger we sent before you was instructed to preach that there is no god except Me; you shall worship Me alone. Then they said, 'God most gracious has begotten a son.' Glory be to Him; all the messengers are no more than honored servants. They do not speak on their own; they simply follow His commands. He knows their past and their future, and they possess no power to intercede except on behalf of those already approved by God. The messengers themselves are worried about their own fate. And, if any of them claims to be a god beside God, we will punish him in hell; we thus punish the wicked." (21:2529)

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

the quran reached many many people through oral tradition before it was written down and so did the xadiiith through the same Sa7aba radiyaAllahu anhi meesha waxbana ma ku haysid

It seems like inaad diiday Nabi Maxamad salalahu caleyhi wa salam

Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

The name al-Qur’aaniyyeen does not befit these people, because the Qur’aan tells us, in almost one hundred aayahs, to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Obedience to the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is considered in the Qur’aan to be a part of obedience to Allaah, may He be glorified.

“He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allaah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad) as a watcher over them.” [al-Nisa’ 4:80 – interpretation of the meaning].

[Bicir100]

Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah ............Ac Wr Wb....Bro

Plzzzzzz i beg of you plzzz and plzzz open your heart and your brain and read the below verse carefully and then listen to the guy..........

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (6:114-116) [*]

Afaghayra Allahi abtaghee hakaman wahuwa allathee anzala ilaykumu alkitaba mufassalan waallatheena ataynahumu alkitaba yaAAlamoona annahu munazzalun min rabbika bialhaqqi fala takoonanna mina almumtareena

Bro The Arabic word 'mufasala' means 'he separated or divided meaning quran is distintly or clear not detailed in everything. YOu can see similar use for the word fasala in other verses and it does not mean "fully detailed"...
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Daraba lakum mathalan min anfusikum hal lakum mimma malakat aymanukum min shurakaa fee ma razaqnakum faantum feehi sawaon takhafoonahum kakheefatikum anfusakum kathalika nufassilu al-ayati liqawmin yaAAqiloona ( 30:28)

He sets forth to you a parable relating to yourselves: Have you among those whom your right hands possess partners in what We have given you for sustenance, so that with respect to it you are alike; you fear them as you fear each other? Thus do We make the communications distinct for a people who understand.(shakir)

HE sets forth for you a parable concerning yourselves. Have you, among those whom your right hands possess, partners in what WE have provided for you so that you become equal sharers therein, and you fear them as you fear each other? Thus do WE explain the Signs to a people who understand.(SHer Ali)

NOTICE EVEN KHALIFAS TRANSLATION>>FOUNDER OF SUBMITTERS AND QURANIST SCHOLAR

He cites for you herein an example from among yourselves: Do you ever elevate your servants or subordinates to the level where they rival you, and to the point that you pay them as much allegiance as is being paid to you? We thus explain the revelations for people who understand. (khalifa)

[Bicir100]

I knew someone will ask this question.......... How can we observe the Salaat prayers by following the Quran alone? Because it is a favourite question among Sunni and Shiica Muslims who follow derivative texts, religious instruction, teachings and laws, all of which are written by men.......... With this question, both sects try to justify the necessity and proliferation of contradictory sectarian teachings, medieval Arab culture, oppressive laws filled with prohibitions and regulations--all falsely attributed to God and His prophet..SCWS.......................

This question of potential believers exposes lack of knowledge of the Quran as well as proves that their religion, as practiced, is based purely on heresy and conjecture of their parents, scholars or local mullahs.

There are three implications of the Question above:

1........ An implication that challenges God's assertion and a subconscious effort to prove that God is wrong in His repeated assertions that Quran is "Complete", "Perfect" and "Fully Detailed".

2. An implication that Hadith contains the details of Salat and therefore Hadith other than the Quran can be used for religious law.

3- An implication that God is wrong in teaching us in the Quran, that all the rituals of Islam, including Salat were given to Abraham..................

.............before any answer I am asking you ......Abdalla..... do you accept as true that Quran is “Complete", "Perfect" and "Fully Detailed”.

When you answer the above Question then I may answer your Question..............................

So according to you the salat were given to abraham<<this means You are a follower of Abrahams sunna that means You use other sources than quran. SO what makes You so special? ANd were did You get ABrahams sunna from?

[UkMan9]

Ac Wr Wb...........


(6:114-116) "Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think."

If Quran is complete and fully detailed (as Allah says), where can we find the details of Salat prayers.................!!!!!!

Bal somali aan idinku waydiiyo...waan yaabanahee..... Walaala yaaloow..... Horta markaad wax qoraysaan maka fiirsataan Suaalihiina.......
Sababtaan ku iri waxay tahay.....Mar Alaale iyo markii la soo qoro ama real live loo waydiiyo......Allah wuxuu yiri Quranku waa dhamays tiran yahay waana sharaxan yahay..... Maxaad ula soo boodaan suaashaas kor ku qoran......... Who are you challenging.... The Answer is ALLAH (SWTC)

Let me put THIS in TO another form IF ALLAH IS RIGHT WHERE WE CAN FIND THE DETAILS OF SALAT PRAYERS............. do you want me to say ALLAH IS WRONG !!!!

IT IS A SIMPLE QUESTION PLEASE ANSWER YES OR NO?!!!!1 DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY ALLAH IS WRONG............!!!!!!!!

Let me try.....though your ears and eyes and hearts .......are Deaf and dumb...................

Abraham was the first recipient of the concept of ISLAM, and the first user of the word "MUSLIM" (see 2:131).

(22:78) "You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM. Abraham is the one who named you 'Muslims' in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is you Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter."

Thus, if Abraham is the founder of Islam, did he contribute anything to our Islamic life? The answer is: "YES; he contributed THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES (Salat, Zakat, Fasting, & Hajj)."

(2:135) "They said, 'Be you Jews or Christians in order to be guided.' Say, 'We follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism(Haniifan); he never was an idolworshiper.'"

(3:6768) "Abraham was neither Jewish, nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he never was an idolworshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those who followed him, and this prophet (Muhammad), and those who believed. God is the Lord of the believers."

(16:123) "Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idolworshiper."

Logically, if Muhammad was a follower of Abraham, and we are followers of Muhammad, then we are followers of Abraham. What did we learn from Abraham???
The Quran teaches that we learned all the religious practices of Islam from Abraham. This includes Salat, Zakat, fasting, and Hajj....Therefore, ISLAM IS BASED ON TWO THINGS: (1) QURAN: THROUGH MUHAMMAD (2) RELIGIOUS PRACTICES: VIA ABRAHAM.............

The whole Arabian society before and during the time of Muhammad followed the religion of Abraham. Thus, Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, and the idolaters of Quraish used to observe the FIVE DAILY SALAT PRAYERS exactly as we do today, with the single exception of substituting the Quranic Faatihha for the Ibrahimy Faatihha.........provide evidence ......... read the verses below

(8:33-35) "God was not to punish them while you (Muhammad) were still among them. God was not to punish them while they are seeking forgiveness. Yet, they fully deserved God's punishment for repelling from the sacred mosque, though they were not the guardians thereof; only the righteous are guardians thereof, but most of them do not know. THEIR SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and repulsion. Therefore, suffer the retribution for your disbelief."

The four sacred months in Islam were observed before the time of Muhammad. This further proves that all religious practices of Islam were neither initiated, nor taught by the Prophet Muhammad; his sole mission was to correct wrong doings through the Quran and deliver the Quran.

(9:36-37) "The count of months according to God is twelve, as shown in God's scriptures, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the right religion; therefore, do not wrong your souls during the four months. But you may fight the idolaters, if they attack you therein, and know that God is with the righteous. The practice of alternating the sacred months is a pagan practice. Thus, they changed the sacred months, making them violable one year and sacred the next year, as if to maintain the count instituted by God......"

"...and keep the observance of Salat and Zakat, and lend to God a loan of righteousness. Whatever you advance for your souls, you will find at God better and multiplied manyfold. And seek God's forgiveness; God is forgiving, merciful." (73:20)

The above commandment was issued during the first few weeks of Quranic revelation, that is to say before the Micraj( micraj according to the hadith books is when Allah gave mohamed SALAT PRAYERS).............. DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE THAT GOD WOULD ISSUE A COMMANDMENT TO OBSERVE SOMETHING NOT ALREADY KNOWN ??? ....i am asking you does it ????? !!!!!.........

(2:127-128) "As Abraham raised the foundations of Kaaba, together with Ismail, they prayed, 'Our Lord, accept this work from us; you are the hearer, the omniscient. Our Lord, & make us Muslims to you; and from our descendants let there be a nation of Muslims to you; AND TEACH US HOW TO PRACTICE OUR RELIGIOUS DUTIES, and redeem us; you are the redeemer, the merciful.'"

In 2:128 we see Abraham and Ismail implore God to teach them "THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF ISLAM."

The prophets and messengers prior to Abraham were not given any religious practices. The human society was so primitive, only BELIEF IN GOD ALONE was all that is required for salvation. See for example Sura 71, entitled "Noah." Thus, RELIGIOUS PRACTICES appear in Quran ONLY after Abraham; never before him.


"(O Children of Israel,) you shall observe the Salat prayers & Zakat charity; you shall bow down with those who bow." (Quran 2:43)

"We made the Kaaba a focal point for all the people, and a sanctuary; thus, you shall consider this station of Abraham a place of worship. And we appointed Abraham and Ismail to purify My shrine for those who would visit it, those who would retreat therein, and those who bow and prostrate." (Quran 2:125)

But the Jews and Christians "LOST" the Salat prayers.
"O Mary, you shall obey your Lord, and you shall prostrate and bow down with those who bow down." (Quran 3:43)
"(Jesus said,) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the Salat prayers and Zakat charity for as long as I live." (Quran 19:31) "Generations came thereafter who LOST the Salat prayers, and pursued their lusts." (Quran 19:59)


Those who refuse to believe God are challenging Quran by asking, "If Quran is complete and fully detailed (as stated in 6:19, 38, & 114), where can we find the details of Salat and Zakat?" For such people, who are obviously isolated from Quran (see 18:57), I present the following Quranic truth:

(21:72-73) "And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT."

Unfortunately, this plain Quranic truth is not accessible by those who keep trying to prove that Quran is not complete.....................

All i am saying to you guys is....................FIRST, you have to come to sincere conviction that Quran is complete, perfect, and fully detailed; you have to believe your Lord. Once you attain this conviction, the shields will be removed from around your hearts, the deafness will be removed from your ears, and you will become worthy of the Quranic truth.................

[Bicir100]

So You are a follower of the hadiths of Abraham through QUresh,
since You said he used to pray 5 times and so did qureish.
IF this is Your position then You are actually saying Quran is not enough for you since You have to use Abrahams Hadiths and practise for your prayers through qureish<<

if we are mushrekeen because we are followers of xadiis then so are you since You just admitted You to have to follow hadiths to practise YOur daily 5 time prayers. In other words if we are mushriks You are just as much mushrik but with different Prophet(Abraham)<<< do You see how fucked up YOur logic IS.

Practice What You Preach by first rejecting everything that is outside the quran..For sampel Since According to You Quran is detailed then YOu should have no problem with finding details of salat in the QURAN. I mean Why go trough all this trouble claiming following mysterious hadiths from Abraham<<<which ofcourse is recorded in Our SUnna encyclopedia <<

[UkMan9]

AC WR WB ..................

Bicir100...........Bro.........

I think your Eyes can see and read but your heart is deaf and dumb.......... Read one more time bro.............

You said ((((( So You are a follower of the hadiths of Abraham through QUresh,
since You said he used to pray 5 times and so did qureish.
IF this is Your position then You are actually saying Quran is not enough for you since You have to use Abrahams Hadiths and practise for your prayers through qureish<<))))))

I have never wrote ......i follow Ibrahim's Ahaadiiths .......... You must be short sighted person Lol kaftan

Sxb fiiri oo akhri mar kale........ suurada 16 aayadda 123......

16:123) "Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idolworshiper."

Logically, if Muhammad was a follower of Abraham, and we are followers of Muhammad, then we are followers of Abraham. What did we learn from Abraham???
The Quran teaches that we learned all the religious practices of Islam from Abraham. This includes Salat, Zakat, fasting, and Hajj....Therefore, ISLAM IS BASED ON TWO THINGS: (1) QURAN: THROUGH MUHAMMAD (2) RELIGIOUS PRACTICES: VIA ABRAHAM.............

Read again.....I Said......... Waxaan iri......IF MUHAMMAD WAS A FOLLOWER OF ABRAHAM, AND WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF MUHAMMAD THEN WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF ABRAHAM<----- does that sound ......i am follower of Ibraham's Ahaadiith............ mise waxaad rabtaa inaad beeniso in Allah ku amray MUHAMMAD IN UU RAACO ABRAHAM.........

You said..........((((( Practice What You Preach by first rejecting everything that is outside the quran..For sampel Since According to You Quran is detailed then YOu should have no problem with finding details of salat in the QURAN. I mean Why go trough all this trouble claiming following mysterious hadiths from Abraham<<<which ofcourse is recorded in Our SUnna encyclopedia <<)))))

Allah (SWTC) Command Muhammad to follow Abraham............. is it outside the Quran

You said ...........(((( for sampel ( For example ) Since According to You Quran is detailed then YOu should have no problem with finding details of salat in the QURAN.))))

Bro........Who said Quran is complete and fully detailed ALLAH or ME.......Read again......... suurada 6aad aayadaha 114 ilaa 116

(6:114-116) "Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." ..............

why is so hard for you to Believe ALLAH (SWTC)..............

Since when did i claim following Mysterious (strange, odd, unexplained, Inexplicable, unsolved ......etc...lol) hadiths from Abraham.......

Or maybe you mean this........suurada 21aad aayadaha 72-73......

(21:72-73) "And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT."

Again...suurada 22aad aayadda 78...........

(22:78) "You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM. Abraham is the one who named you 'Muslims' in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is you Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter."

Qureysh salaadoodii aniga maaha ee ALLAH ayaa inoo sheegay inay tukan jireen bal akhri one more time......... suuradda 8aad aayadaha 33 ilaa 35........


(8:33-35) "God was not to punish them while you (Muhammad) were still among them. God was not to punish them while they are seeking forgiveness. Yet, they fully deserved God's punishment for repelling from the sacred mosque, though they were not the guardians thereof; only the righteous are guardians thereof, but most of them do not know. THEIR SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and repulsion. Therefore, suffer the retribution for your disbelief."

Sxboow.......Allah.....Hadalkiisa Ixtiraam oo Allah ku abuuray cisee isagaa ciso iyo sharaf kaa mudan ilaahna u toobad keen waxaad soo qortay waxay u egyihiin jees jees.... Allah hadalkiisu wax lagu jees jeeso ka wayn......waxaa kugu adag in hadalka RABI yahay mid dhamaystiran oo faah faahsan......and plzzzz stop wasting my time........I don’t have to repeat myself over and over again and again.....just read carefully and understand then make your comment.......

ws wr wb..........

[Bicir100]

MrUK iam trying to make You understand the quran trough logic since Your tafsir is in major Errors. Tusaale Ahaan:

Qureysh salaadoodii aniga maaha ee ALLAH ayaa inoo sheegay inay tukan jireen bal akhri one more time......... suuradda 8aad aayadaha 33 ilaa 35........


(8:33-35) "God was not to punish them while you (Muhammad) were still among them. God was not to punish them while they are seeking forgiveness. Yet, they fully deserved God's punishment for repelling from the sacred mosque, though they were not the guardians thereof; only the righteous are guardians thereof, but most of them do not know. THEIR SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and repulsion. Therefore, suffer the retribution for your disbelief."

Ayaadan waxay ka hadleyso Maaha salaada Aanu tukano, "Their Salat at the House was nothing but Muka' and Tasdiyah" Their salat consisted of Whistling and clapping Hands << are You saying your salat consist of whistling and clapping Hands?
Tan labaad I told You the meaning of mufasala is clearly an error in the english translation IT does not mean fully detailed i already
addressed that, but you never did any comment on that. There are alot of flaws in Your hypothesis That i would like to discuss further But it seems You are avoiding me proberly to mentain In your bidca ways<<