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Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:40 am

Bicir100....... Acwrwb

Sxb runtii maan eegin page ka aad ku soo qortay adigoo ka jawaabaya if the Quran fully detailed

وَلاَ تَقْفُ مَا لَيْسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلْمٌ إِنَّ السَّمْعَ وَالْبَصَرَ وَالْفُؤَادَ كُلُّ أُولئِكَ كَانَ عَنْهُ مَسْؤُولاً


[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

اَفَغَيْرَ اللّٰهِ اَبْتَغِىْ حَكَمًا وَّهُوَ الَّذِىْۤ اَنْزَلَ اِلَيْكُمُ الْـكِتٰبَ مُفَصَّلاً‌ ؕ وَالَّذِيْنَ اٰتَيْنٰهُمُ الْـكِتٰبَ يَعْلَمُوْنَ اَنَّهٗ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَـقِّ‌ فَلَا تَكُوْنَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِيْنَ‏

"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbour any doubt." (6:114)

Sxb......waxaad muran ka keentay in quranka Allah ka dhigay mid ah COMPLETE AND FULLY DETAILED............haddii aad tahay nin daacad ah..... Akhri aayadahaan quraanka ah....... ama raaca dadka aad isleedahay ALLAH (SWTC) ayeey ka aqoon badanyihiin oo markii allah yiri Quran is complete and fully detailed iyaguna yiraahdeen maaha run..... bal Akhri oo feker nin yahow............

شَهْرُ رَمَضَانَ الَّذِىْٓ اُنْزِلَ فِيْهِ الْقُرْاٰنُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَ بَيِّنٰتٍ مِّنَ الْهُدٰى وَالْفُرْقَانِۚ فَمَنْ شَهِدَ مِنْكُمُ الشَّهْرَ فَلْيَصُمْهُؕ وَمَنْ کَانَ مَرِيْضًا اَوْ عَلٰى سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ اَيَّامٍ اُخَرَؕ يُرِيْدُ اللّٰهُ بِکُمُ الْيُسْرَ وَلَا يُرِيْدُ بِکُمُ الْعُسْرَ وَلِتُکْمِلُوْا الْعِدَّةَ وَلِتُکَبِّرُوْا اللّٰهَ عَلٰى مَا هَدٰٮكُمْ وَلَعَلَّکُمْ تَشْكُرُوْنَ‏

“The month of Ramadan is that in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong).” (2:185)

تَبٰرَكَ الَّذِىْ نَزَّلَ الْـفُرْقَانَ عَلٰى عَبْدِهٖ لِيَكُوْنَ لِلْعٰلَمِيْنَ نَذِيْرَ ۨ اۙ‏

“Blessed is He Who hath revealed unto His slave the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner to the peoples.” (25:1)

وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِىْ هٰذَا الْقُرْاٰنِ مِنْ كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَاَبٰٓى اَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ اِلَّا كُفُوْرًا‏

"And certainly We have repeated for humankind, in this Qur’an, every kind of example, but the majority of humankind do not consent to anything but denying." (17:89)

وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِىْ هٰذَا الْقُرْاٰنِ مِنْ كُلِّ مَثَلٍ لَّعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُوْنَ‌ۚ‏

“We have put forth for humans, in this Qur’an, every kind of example so that they may remember” (39:27).

ذٰلِكَ الْڪِتٰبُ لَا رَيْبَ ۛۚ ۖ فِيْهِ ۛۚ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِيْنَۙ‏

“This Book, there is no doubt in it, it is a guide to those who keep their duty”(2:2)

الۤرٰ تِلْكَ اٰيٰتُ الْـكِتٰبِ وَقُرْاٰنٍ مُّبِيْنٍا

"A. L. R. These are the verses of a Book,- and a Qur'an that makes things clear. " (15:1)

وَمَا عَلَّمْنٰهُ الشِّعْرَ وَمَا يَنْۢبَغِىْ لَهٗؕ اِنْ هُوَ اِلَّا ذِكْرٌ وَّقُرْاٰنٌ مُّبِيْنٌۙ‏

"We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for him: this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear: " (36:69)

يٰۤاَهْلَ الْكِتٰبِ قَدْ جَآءَكُمْ رَسُوْلُـنَا يُبَيِّنُ لَـكُمْ كَثِيْرًا مِّمَّا كُنْتُمْ تُخْفُوْنَ مِنَ الْكِتٰبِ وَيَعْفُوْا عَنْ كَثِيْرٍ‌ ؕ قَدْ جَآءَكُمْ مِّنَ اللّٰهِ نُوْرٌ وَّكِتٰبٌ مُّبِيْنٌۙ‏

" O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much: There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a clear Book, "(5:15)

الٓر‌ تِلْكَ اٰيٰتُ الْكِتٰبِ الْمُبِيْن

"A.L.R. These are the verses of the clear Book." (12:1)

تِلْكَ اٰيٰتُ الْكِتٰبِ الْمُبِيْنِ‏

"These are verses of the Book that makes (things) clear " (26:2)

طٰسٓ‌ تِلْكَ اٰيٰتُ الْقُرْاٰنِ وَكِتَابٍ مُّبِيْنٍۙ‏

"These are verses of the Qur'an,-a book that makes (things) clear;" (27:1)

طٰسٓم تِلْكَ اٰيٰتُ الْـكِتٰبِ الْمُبِٓ‏‏

"These are Verses of the Book that makes (things) clear." (28:2)

وَالْكِتٰبِ الْمُبِيْنِٓ حٰمٓ

"By the Book that makes things clear," (43:2, 44:2)

وَيَوْمَ نَـبْعَثُ فِىْ كُلِّ اُمَّةٍ شَهِيْدًا عَلَيْهِمْ مِّنْ اَنْفُسِهِمْ‌ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ شَهِيْدًا عَلٰى هٰٓؤُلَۤاءِ‌ؕ وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْـكِتٰبَ تِبْيَانًا لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّ هُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً وَّبُشْرٰى لِلْمُسْلِمِيْنَ‏

" And remember the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from amongst themselves, And We have revealed the Book to you which has the clear explanation of everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit." (16:89)

وَلَقَدْ اَنْزَلْنَاۤ اِلَيْكُمْ اٰيٰتٍ مُّبَيِّنٰتٍ وَّمَثَلاً مِّنَ الَّذِيْنَ خَلَوْا مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْ وَمَوْعِظَةً لِّـلْمُتَّقِيْنَ
"We have already sent down to you verses making things clear, an illustration from (the story of) people who passed away before you, and an admonition for those who fear (Allah)." (24:34)

وَلَقَدْ جِئْنٰهُمْ بِكِتٰبٍ فَصَّلْنٰهُ عَلٰى عِلْمٍ هُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِّـقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ‏
“And certainly We have brought them a Book, which We have detailed with knowledge, a guidance and mercy for a people who believe” (7:52)

كِتٰبٌ فُصِّلَتْ اٰيٰتُهٗ قُرْاٰنًا عَرَبِيًّا لِّقَوْمٍ يَّعْلَمُوْنَۙ‏
“A Book of which the verses are distinctly detailed, an Arabic Qur’an for people who know” (41:3)

وَهٰذَا صِرَاطُ رَبِّكَ مُسْتَقِيْمًا‌ؕ قَدْ فَصَّلْنَا الْاٰيٰتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَّذَّكَّرُوْنَ‏

“And this is the path of thy Lord leading straight to Him Indeed We have made the verses detailed for a people who take reminder” (6:126)

وَمَا كَانَ هٰذَا الْقُرْاٰنُ اَنْ يُّفْتَرٰى مِنْ دُوْنِ اللّٰهِ وَلٰـكِنْ تَصْدِيْقَ الَّذِىْ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيْلَ الْكِتٰبِ لَا رَيْبَ فِيْهِ مِنْ رَّبِّ الْعٰلَمِيْنَ

"This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe." (10:37)

وَلَقَدْ جِئْنٰهُمْ بِكِتٰبٍ فَصَّلْنٰهُ عَلٰى عِلْمٍ هُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِّـقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ‏

"We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe." (7:52)

الٓر‌ كِتٰبٌ اُحْكِمَتْ اٰيٰـتُهٗ ثُمَّ فُصِّلَتْ مِنْ لَّدُنْ حَكِيْمٍ خَبِيْرٍۙ‏

"A. L. R. (This is) a Book, with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning), further explained in detail,- from One Who is Wise and Well-acquainted (with all things): " (11:1)

لَـقَدْ كَانَ فِىْ قَصَصِهِمْ عِبْرَةٌ لِّاُولِى الْاَلْبَابِ‌ؕ مَا كَانَ حَدِيْثًا يُّفْتَرٰى وَلٰـكِنْ تَصْدِيْقَ الَّذِىْ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيْلَ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّهُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً لِّـقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ

“In their histories there is certainly a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a narrative which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe.” (12:111)

وَجَعَلْنَا الَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ اٰيَتَيْنِ‌ فَمَحَوْنَاۤ اٰيَةَ الَّيْلِ وَجَعَلْنَاۤ اٰيَةَ النَّهَارِ مُبْصِرَةً لِّتَبْتَغُوْا فَضْلاً مِّنْ رَّبِّكُمْ وَلِتَعْلَمُوْا عَدَدَ السِّنِيْنَ وَالْحِسَابَ‌ؕ وَكُلَّ شَىْءٍ فَصَّلْنٰهُ تَفْصِيْلاً‏

"We have made the Night and the Day as two (of Our) Signs: the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years: all things have We explained in detail." (17:12)

وَهُوَ الَّذِىْ جَعَلَ لَـكُمُ النُّجُوْمَ لِتَهْتَدُوْا بِهَا فِىْ ظُلُمٰتِ الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ‌ؕ قَدْ فَصَّلْنَا الْاٰيٰتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَّعْلَمُوْنَ‏

“And He it is Who has made the stars for you that you might follow the right way thereby in the darkness of the land and the sea; truly We have detailed Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.”(6:97)


وَ هُوَ الَّذِىْۤ اَنْشَاَكُمْ مِّنْ نَّفْسٍ وَّاحِدَةٍ فَمُسْتَقَرٌّ وَّمُسْتَوْدَعٌ‌ ؕ قَدْ فَصَّلْنَا الْاٰيٰتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَّفْقَهُوْنَ‏

“And He it is Who hath produced you from a single being, and (hath given you) a habitation and a repository. We have detailed Our revelations for a people who have understanding.”(6:98)

وَهٰذَا صِرَاطُ رَبِّكَ مُسْتَقِيْمًا‌ؕ قَدْ فَصَّلْنَا الْاٰيٰتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَّذَّكَّرُوْنَ‏

“This is the way of thy Lord, leading straight: We have detailed the signs for those who receive admonition.” (6:126)

اِنَّمَا مَثَلُ الْحَيٰوةِ الدُّنْيَا كَمَآءٍ اَنْزَلْنٰهُ مِنَ السَّمَآءِ فَاخْتَلَطَ بِهٖ نَبَاتُ الْاَرْضِ مِمَّا يَاْكُلُ النَّاسُ وَالْاَنْعٰمُؕ حَتّٰۤى اِذَاۤ اَخَذَتِ الْاَرْضُ زُخْرُفَهَا وَازَّيَّنَتْ وَظَنَّ اَهْلُهَاۤ اَنَّهُمْ قٰدِرُوْنَ عَلَيْهَاۤ ۙاَتٰٮهَاۤ اَمْرُنَا لَيْلاً اَوْ نَهَارًا فَجَعَلْنٰهَا حَصِيْدًا كَاَنْ لَّمْ تَغْنَ بِالْاَمْسِ‌ؕ كَذٰلِكَ نُـفَصِّلُ الْاٰيٰتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَّتَفَكَّرُوْنَ‏

“The likeness of the present life is only as water which We send down from the clouds, then there mingles with it the produce of the earth, of which men and cattle eat till, when the earth receives its armature and looks beautiful and its owners think that they have power over it, there comes to it Our command by night or by day and We render it a field that is mown down, as if nothing had existed there the day before. Thus do We make the revelations detailed for a people who reflect” (10:24)

اَوَلَمْ يَكْفِهِمْ اَنَّاۤ اَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتٰبَ يُتْلٰى عَلَيْهِمْ‌ؕ اِنَّ فِىْ ذٰلِكَ لَرَحْمَةً وَّذِكْرٰى لِقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ

“Is it not enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book, which is recited to them? Most surely there is a mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe” (29:51)

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Bicir100 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:40 am

Bro Walahi Its Clearcut Kufr To hide the truth intentionally You You self have said That the Details of Salat Is not in the quran But You got it from Qureish<<And You know Qureish Never performed Salat as we do..Yet You go on with this nonsense...If quran contained The details of Salat Then obviously You wouldnt have any problem showing us the evidence<<remember Hatuu burhanukum inkuntum sadiquun.

Teeda kale I think You got it all wrong If You think The only wahyi our prophet got is mentioned in the quran...LIke this verse clearly shows..

66:3] The prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain statement, then one of them spread it, and GOD let him know about it. He then informed his wife of part of the issue, and disregarded part. She asked him, "Who informed you of this?" He said, "I was informed by the Omniscient, Most Cognizant."

... The prophet Used to get wahyi which is not mentioned in the quran So to say ALlah didnt revealed anything to the prophet OUTSIDE THe quran IS FALSE AND A DIRECT DENIAL OF CLEAR VERSE IN THE QURAN.

Ninyahow Naftaada unbaad been u shegeysaa runtii qofwalba wuu arkaa Inaadan waxba ku hayn meesha markaad soo gashay waxaad ka bilowday Dadku salaada bay i warsan doonan waayo waxaad ogtahay In Quraanka Alle been laga abuuran karin, kadib marmarsiiyo waxaad ka dhigatey Qureish baa 5 salaadood tukan jirey taas oo ayaad quraana aad usoo daliilsatey ayaaduna kamaysan hadleyn salaadeena...Markaasad waxaad usii gudubtay inaad dhahdo Quraanka unbaa Nabiga loo waxyooday Hada Quraankii baa hadana kuu jawaabay Ayada 66:3 baa si cad hadalkaa u beenisey. Marka naaftada ha halagin Xaqa adoo arkaya Indhaha ha iska tirin oo cadaab ha u horseedin walaalo waa iga talo iyo waano

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:27 am

Bicir100...........ac...wr..wb

Sxb......If i said Allah's words are Complete and fully detailed As Allah said......is it clearcut of Kufri......... And you yourself debating that Allah's words are not complete and fully detailed...........In another words your argument is based on that Quran not complete and fully detailed................

Sxb.....aniguna waxaan leeyahay Quraanku waa dhan yahay waxba kama Maqna waana faah faahsan yahay........ adiguna waxaad ku doodaysaa Quraanku ma dhamma mana faah faah sana......... Anigii Allah aqbalay hadalkiisa waxaad leedahay waa kufrinimo.... adigoo ka soo horjeensadayna waa Muslimnimo.........

Bro.......bood boodka iskada sxb.......... 29 aayadood ayaan kuu keenahay ka hadlaya quraanka inuu faahfaahsan yahay Fully detailed...... waadigii lahaa not fully detailed......... Midda kale Ahaadiith ta inay wahyi yihiin iyo inkale aan markale usoo jeensano bal horta aan ka dhacno kan aan isku haysanay.....

One More Time Again...............

Do you believe that Thee Quran is Complete and Fully Detailed or you still insisting that The Quran is not Fully Detailed?

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Bicir100 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:55 pm

Bicir100...........ac...wr..wb

Sxb......If i said Allah's words are Complete and fully detailed As Allah said......is it clearcut of Kufri......... And you yourself debating that Allah's words are not complete and fully detailed...........In another words your argument is based on that Quran not complete and fully detailed................

Sxb.....aniguna waxaan leeyahay Quraanku waa dhan yahay waxba kama Maqna waana faah faahsan yahay........ adiguna waxaad ku doodaysaa Quraanku ma dhamma mana faah faah sana......... Anigii Allah aqbalay hadalkiisa waxaad leedahay waa kufrinimo.... adigoo ka soo horjeensadayna waa Muslimnimo.........

Bro.......bood boodka iskada sxb.......... 29 aayadood ayaan kuu keenahay ka hadlaya quraanka inuu faahfaahsan yahay Fully detailed...... waadigii lahaa not fully detailed......... Midda kale Ahaadiith ta inay wahyi yihiin iyo inkale aan markale usoo jeensano bal horta aan ka dhacno kan aan isku haysanay.....

One More Time Again...............

Do you believe that Thee Quran is Complete and Fully Detailed or you still insisting that The Quran is not Fully Detailed?
Sxb Horta Can You please Use Your logic FOr a second..Walaahi a 5 years old child can understand what iam talking about but You are avoiding it just to hold on To your bidca..
The word You are missunderstanding is Mufasila which according to Your wicked understanding means detailed in everything... The word fasl is the root word of mufasila which means to set something apart in order to clarify and this is what ALlah have done, THe Ayat in the quran are separate and distinct and explained in sequences.. Yacni waa lakala dhig dhigey si ay bayaan u noqdaan.
But In Your world quran is fully detailed in everything.

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:17 pm

Bicir100..............


وَيَوْمَ نَـبْعَثُ فِىْ كُلِّ اُمَّةٍ شَهِيْدًا عَلَيْهِمْ مِّنْ اَنْفُسِهِمْ‌ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ شَهِيْدًا عَلٰى هٰٓؤُلَۤاءِ‌ؕ وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْـكِتٰبَ تِبْيَانًا لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّ هُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً وَّبُشْرٰى لِلْمُسْلِمِيْنَ‏

" And remember the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from amongst themselves, And We have revealed the Book to you which has the clear explanation of everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit." (16:89)

There cannot be any words clearer than this. When Allah says EVERYTHING (Likulli shai’) that means EVERYTHING. If the Qur’an itself is supposed to explain everything, what does it mean to explain the Qur’an by other books? In other words, the above verse is saying that there is NOTHING (Islamically) that is not explained by the Qur’an. If you saying that “not everything is in the Qur’an”, You must sit down and contemplate on these verses and reflect on the logical consequences of your statement..............

Why can't You answer the QS.......Simply

YES i do beleive Quran is complete and fully detailed or
NO i do not believe Quran is complete and fully detailed..........

there is nothing in between........YES or NO........

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:49 am

Ac....Wr....Wb................ All



Does anyone know who these guys are?


Muhammad Ibn Ismail Ibn Ibrahim Ibn al-Mughirah Ibn Bardizbah al-Bukhari

Ibnu Hajar Al Askalani.

al-Khushaymani

Muhammad ibn Yusuf ibn Matar
al Firabri


And what is the connection between them

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:59 am

My Somali brother and sisters .......................do you believe The holly Quran is incomplete( unfinished) as Bukhari and Muslim claim


1. Verse on “Rajm” Stoning to Death – Missing from the Quran


2. Verses Equal to the Length of Surah Bara’ah (Thauba – chapter 9) -129 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.


3. Ayath as stated in Sahih Muslim - Not Found in the Quran(17:13)


4. Surah Ahzab (Chapter 33-73 Verses was Equal in Length of Surah


Baqarah ( Chapter 2 -286 Verses) – i.e. 213 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.


5. Neither Bukhari Nor Muslim or the narrators know whether this hadith is from the Quran or not.


6. Mu’awwidhathain – (Surah Al-Falaq and An-Naas) are they part of the Quran or Not?


7. Bukhari alleges that the phrase “وَمَا خَلَقَ” "Him who created" has been added to verse 92:3 (Surah Al-Layl)

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Bicir100 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:26 pm

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quote="UkMan9"]Bicir100..............


وَيَوْمَ نَـبْعَثُ فِىْ كُلِّ اُمَّةٍ شَهِيْدًا عَلَيْهِمْ مِّنْ اَنْفُسِهِمْ‌ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ شَهِيْدًا عَلٰى هٰٓؤُلَۤاءِ‌ؕ وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْـكِتٰبَ تِبْيَانًا لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّ هُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً وَّبُشْرٰى لِلْمُسْلِمِيْنَ‏

" And remember the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from amongst themselves, And We have revealed the Book to you which has the clear explanation of everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit." (16:89)

There cannot be any words clearer than this. When Allah says EVERYTHING (Likulli shai’) that means EVERYTHING. If the Qur’an itself is supposed to explain everything, what does it mean to explain the Qur’an by other books? In other words, the above verse is saying that there is NOTHING (Islamically) that is not explained by the Qur’an. If you saying that “not everything is in the Qur’an”, You must sit down and contemplate on these verses and reflect on the logical consequences of your statement..............[*]
I think You missunderstand what Everything means here<<it means principles are cleared.
And i do believe quran is complete.
But what i dont agree With is Your blind believe that the 5 daily prayers are in the quran<<<<Deep inside You know the details of salat IS NOT in the quran.
You can argue all You like but untill You provide real answers No one will take You seriously.

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:25 am

Bicir100.............sxB


تِبْيَانًا = CLEAR EXPLENATION

لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ = LI = OF.........KULLI SHAI = EVERY THING



Principles ( main beliefs, values, ideology, morality, ethics, doctrine)

Everything (All, the whole thing, the lot, the whole lot)

تِبْيَانًا لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ = do you mean clear explenation of principles? .....if your answer is yes......

please.......... tell me which word is principle ( تِبْيَانًا or لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ )

(((((( But what i dont agree With is Your blind believe that the 5 daily prayers are in the quran<<<<Deep inside You know the details of salat IS NOT in the quran.You can argue all You like but untill You provide real answers No one will take You seriously.))))))

Sxb............. you are one confused guy, your heart believes Quran is complete and your brain saying otherwise............
If something is complete means there is nothing missing everything is there............. Read More.....


وَمَا كَانَ هٰذَا الْقُرْاٰنُ اَنْ يُّفْتَرٰى مِنْ دُوْنِ اللّٰهِ وَلٰـكِنْ تَصْدِيْقَ الَّذِىْ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيْلَ الْكِتٰبِ لَا رَيْبَ فِيْهِ مِنْ رَّبِّ الْعٰلَمِيْنَ

"This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe." (10:37)

وَلَقَدْ جِئْنٰهُمْ بِكِتٰبٍ فَصَّلْنٰهُ عَلٰى عِلْمٍ هُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِّـقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ‏

"We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe." (7:52)

الٓر‌ كِتٰبٌ اُحْكِمَتْ اٰيٰـتُهٗ ثُمَّ فُصِّلَتْ مِنْ لَّدُنْ حَكِيْمٍ خَبِيْرٍۙ‏

"A. L. R. (This is) a Book, with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning), further explained in detail,- from One Who is Wise and Well-acquainted (with all things): " (11:1)

لَـقَدْ كَانَ فِىْ قَصَصِهِمْ عِبْرَةٌ لِّاُولِى الْاَلْبَابِ‌ؕ مَا كَانَ حَدِيْثًا يُّفْتَرٰى وَلٰـكِنْ تَصْدِيْقَ الَّذِىْ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيْلَ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّهُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً لِّـقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ

“In their histories there is certainly a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a narrative which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe.” (12:111)

وَجَعَلْنَا الَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ اٰيَتَيْنِ‌ فَمَحَوْنَاۤ اٰيَةَ الَّيْلِ وَجَعَلْنَاۤ اٰيَةَ النَّهَارِ مُبْصِرَةً لِّتَبْتَغُوْا فَضْلاً مِّنْ رَّبِّكُمْ وَلِتَعْلَمُوْا عَدَدَ السِّنِيْنَ وَالْحِسَابَ‌ؕ وَكُلَّ شَىْءٍ فَصَّلْنٰهُ تَفْصِيْلاً‏

"We have made the Night and the Day as two (of Our) Signs: the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years: all things have We explained in detail." (17:12)



Bicir100...........Bro.......

How About........ SAXIIX MUSLIM AND BUKHARI.......... ma....... AAMIN SAN TAHAY


Bal ka waran.....7 arimood ee hoos ku qoran..........

1. Verse on “Rajm” Stoning to Death – Missing from the Quran


2. Verses Equal to the Length of Surah Bara’ah (Thauba – chapter 9) -129 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.


3. Ayath as stated in Sahih Muslim - Not Found in the Quran(17:13)


4. Surah Ahzab (Chapter 33-73 Verses was Equal in Length of Surah


Baqarah ( Chapter 2 -286 Verses) – i.e. 213 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.


5. Neither Bukhari Nor Muslim or the narrators know whether this hadith is from the Quran or not.


6. Mu’awwidhathain – (Surah Al-Falaq and An-Naas) are they part of the Quran or Not?


7. Bukhari alleges that the phrase “وَمَا خَلَقَ” "Him who created" has been added to verse 92:3 (Surah Al-Layl)


NB..........sxb suaalaha lagu waydiiyo ka jawaab.......... Salaada waan kaaga jawaabay..........ku soo celcelinteedu qiimo samayn mayso

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:46 am

1. Verse on “Rajm” Stoning to Death – Missing from the Quran

Volume 9. Sahihul Bukhari

BOOK 89 – THE BOOK OF JUDGMENTS - CHAPTER 21-
PAGES 212-213 – BETWEEN HADITHES Nos. 281 and 282

This Hadith is narrated without any Hadith number in Bukhari - It is in the title of one of the chapters of Bukhari. Fortunately, it was included and translated by the translator.




(21) باب الشَّهَادَةِ تَكُونُ عِنْدَ الْحَاكِمِ فِى وِلاَيَتِهِ الْقَضَاءِ أَوْ قَبْلَ ذَلِكَ لِلْخَصْمِ . وَقَالَ شُرَيْحٌ الْقَاضِى ، وَسَأَلَهُ إِنْسَانٌ الشَّهَادَةَ فَقَالَ ائْتِ الأَمِيرَ حَتَّى أَشْهَدَ لَكَ . وَقَالَ عِكْرِمَةُ قَالَ عُمَرُ لِعَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَوْفٍ لَوْ رَأَيْتَ رَجُلاً عَلَى حَدٍّ زِناً أَوْ سَرِقَةٍ وَأَنْتَ أَمِيرٌ فَقَالَ شَهَادَتُكَ شَهَادَةُ رَجُلٍ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ . قَالَ صَدَقْتَ .

قَالَ عُمَرُ لَوْلاَ أَنْ يَقُولَ النَّاسُ زَادَ عُمَرُ فِى كِتَابِ اللَّهِ . لَكَتَبْتُ آيَةَ الرَّجْمِ بِيَدِى .

وَأَقَرَّ مَاعِزٌ عِنْدَ النَّبِىِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم بِالزِّنَا أَرْبَعاً ، فَأَمَرَ بِرَجْمِهِ ، وَلَمْ يُذْكَرْ أَنَّ النَّبِىَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَشْهَدَ مَنْ حَضَرَهُ . وَقَالَ حَمَّادٌ إِذَا أَقَرَّ مَرَّةً عِنْدَ الْحَاكِمِ رُجِمَ . وَقَالَ الْحَكَمُ أَرْبَعاً

(21) CHAPTER – If a judge has to witness in favour of a litigant when he is a judge or he had it before he became a judge (can he pass a judgment in his favour accordingly or should he refer the case to another judge before whom he would bear witness?). And the judge Shuraih said to a person who sought his witness, “Go to the ruler so that I may bear witness (before him) for you.”
And Ikrima said, “Umar said to Abdur-Rahman bin ‘Auf ‘If I saw a man committing illegal sexual intercourse or theft, and you were the ruler (what would you do)?
Abdur-Rahman said, ‘I would regard your witness as equal to the witness or any other man among the Muslims.’ “Umar said, ‘ You have said the truth.

Umar added, “If I were not afraid of the fact that people may say that ‘Umar has added to the Quran extra (verses), I would have written the Verse Ar-Rajm (stoning to death of married adulterers) with my own hands.

And Ma’iz confessed before the Prophet (S) that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse, whereupon the Prophet (S) ordered him to be stoned to death. It is not mentioned that the Prophet (S) sought witness of those who were present there.
Hammad said, “If an adulterer confesses before a ruler once only, he should be stoned to death.” But Al-Haakam said, “He must confess four times.”
Stoning to death.

According to this Hadith – ‘Umar (R) has deliberately withheld the Ayath of Rajm – The best part is, ‘Umar does not read the Ayath of Rajm – only mentions that there was an Ayath on Rajm. Accordingly The Ayath of Rajm is missing from the Holy Quran).

Narrated by Ayesha (R)
When the verse enjoining stoning for adultery and Nursing of a baby 10 times were revealed. It was written on a leaf, and placed under the bed; but the leaf was accidentally eaten by a Female Sheep (or a goat) while the Prophet Muhummed (S) was on his death-bed. [and thus the verse was lost – Was added by Zamakshari citing Ayesha (R)] .

Sunan Ibn Majah. – Hadith No.1944

1944- حَدَّثَنَا أبو سلمة يحيى بن خلف. حَدَّثَنَا عبد الأعلى عن مُحَمَّد بن إسحاق، عن عبد اللَّه بن أبي بكر، عن عمرة، عن عائشة. وعن عبد الرحمن بن القاسم عن أبيه، عن عائشة؛
- قالت: لقد نزلت آية الرجم، ورضاعة الكبير عشرا. ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري. فلما مات رَسُول اللَّهِ صَلَى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَم وتشاغلنا بموته، دخل داجن فأكلها.

With regard to breast-feeding - The translation given is “nursing of a baby 10 times” – When in fact the Hadith says :
ورضاعة الكبير عشرا
Meaning “Breast Feeding an adult 10 times”

Unbelievable is not the word – but yet the so-called great Muhadithoon say these hadithes are sahih. What nonsense.

Look at the word by word explanation given in ibn Majah:

شرح سنن ابن ماجه للسندي
‏‏قوله ( ورضاعة الكبير ) ‏
‏يدل على أن ثبوت حكم الرضاع في الكبير كان بعشر مرات ولا يلزم منه أن يكون الحكم في الصغير ذلك ‏
‏( ولقد كان ) ‏
‏أي ذلك القرآن بعد أن نسخ تلاوة مكتوبا ‏
‏( في صحيفة تحت سريري ) ‏
‏ولم ترد أنه كان مقروءا بعد إذ القول به يوجب وقوع التغيير في القرآن وهو خلاف النص أعني قوله تعالى { إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون ( داجن )Dhaajin - ‏
‏هي الشاة يعلفها الناس في منازلهم وقد يقع على غير الشاة من كل ما يألف البيوت من الطير وغيرها والله أعلم . ‏

Ayesha is supposed to have memorized the Holy Quran and she cannot remember the ayath – because a goat ate it. Nobody else were able to remember the Ayath – Are these the type of Traditions and the Sahih Sitta that go to explain the Holy Quran? Think, reflect, consider and study my dear brothers and sisters


2.Verses Equal to the Length of Surah Bara’ah (Thauba – chapter 9) -129 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.

Sahih Muslim - Chapter CCCXCI Book 5, Number 2286:

Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a Surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust."
And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not act upon" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).

The Arabic Hadith Sahih Muslim Serial No. 2466-

حَدَّثَنِى سُوَيْدُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِىُّ بْنُ مُسْهِرٍ عَنْ دَاوُدَ عَنْ أَبِى حَرْبِ بْنِ أَبِى الأَسْوَدِ عَنْ أَبِيهِ قَالَ بَعَثَ أَبُو مُوسَى الأَشْعَرِىُّ إِلَى قُرَّاءِ أَهْلِ الْبَصْرَةِ فَدَخَلَ عَلَيْهِ ثَلاَثُمِائَةِ رَجُلٍ قَدْ قَرَءُوا الْقُرْآنَ فَقَالَ أَنْتُمْ خِيَارُ أَهْلِ الْبَصْرَةِ وَقُرَّاؤُهُمْ فَاتْلُوهُ وَلاَ يَطُولَنَّ عَلَيْكُمُ الأَمَدُ فَتَقْسُوَ قُلُوبُكُمْ كَمَا قَسَتْ قُلُوبُ مَنْ كَانَ قَبْلَكُمْ
وَإِنَّا كُنَّا نَقْرَأُ سُورَةً كُنَّا نُشَبِّهُهَا فِى الطُّولِ وَالشِّدَّةِ بِبَرَاءَةَ فَأُنْسِيتُهَا غَيْرَ أَنِّى قَدْ حَفِظْتُ مِنْهَا لَوْ كَانَ لاِبْنِ آدَمَ وَادِيَانِ مِنْ مَالٍ لاَبْتَغَى وَادِياً ثَالِثاً وَلاَ يَمْلأُ جَوْفَ ابْنِ آدَمَ إِلاَّ التُّرَابُ .
وَكُنَّا نَقْرَأُ سُورَةً كُنَّا نُشَبِّهُهَا بِإِحْدَى الْمُسَبِّحَاتِ فَأُنْسِيتُهَا غَيْرَ أَنِّى حَفِظْتُ مِنْهَا ( يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لاَ تَفْعَلُونَ ) فَتُكْتَبُ شَهَادَةً فِى أَعْنَاقِكُمْ فَتُسْأَلُونَ عَنْهَا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ

After having said that They used to recite a Surah similar in length and content to Surah Bara’at which they have forgotten, the hadith also follows it up saying that they used to recite a Surah of Musabbihat which contains two Ayaths – The translators give you one as from Surah Saff (Chapter 61 and the other they state as Surah Isra (Chapter 17 verse 13).

Look very carefully at Section 3 below – this is continuation of the above section 2:

The Surahs of ‘al-Musabbihat’ (The Glorifiers) are those chapters that begin with or “سبحان” “سبح” or “يسبح” and they are: ‘al-Isra’ (Chapter 17 – 111 verses) - ’ ‘al-Hadid, (Chapter 57 – 29 Verses)’ ‘al-Hashr,( Chapter 59 – 24 Verses)’ ‘as-Saff, (Chapter 61 – 14 Verses)’ ‘al-Jumu’ah, (Chapter 62 – 11 Verses)’ ‘at-Taghabun, (Chapter 64 – 18 Verses)’ and ‘al-A’la.( Chapter 87 – 19 Verses)’


3.Ayath as stated in Sahih Muslim - Not Found in the Quran

In the above Hadith - The Ayath Stated as Chapter 17 – Verse 13 Reads as:

فِى أَعْنَاقِكُمْ فَتُسْأَلُونَ عَنْهَا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ

Translated in Hadith : " that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection"

Now Read the Actual Ayath in the Holy Quran – 17:13

وَكُلَّ إِنْسَانٍ أَلْزَمْنَاهُ طَائِرَهُ فِي عُنُقِهِ وَنُخْرِجُ لَهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ كِتَابًا يَلْقَاهُ مَنْشُورًا

“Every man's fate We have fastened on his own neck: On the Day of Judgment We shall bring out for him a scroll, which he will see spread open.”

So the Ayath as stated in the Hadith (Sahih Muslim Hadith # 2466) is Not found in the Quran. And they say these books are “Sahih”

If as they say that they used to read a Chapter of the Musabbihats – Which Chapter of the Musabbihats was this Ayath found?

So we have another Ayath missing – Totalling 130 Ayaths missing according to this Hadith.

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:47 am

4. Surah Ahzab (Chapter 33-73 Verses was Equal in Length of Surah Baqarah ( Chapter 2 -286 Verses) – i.e. 213 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.

Musnad Ahmed ibn Hanbal – Vol. 5. Hadithes 21244 and 21245

تعليق شعيب الأرنؤوط : صحيح وهذا إسناد حسن

21244 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني وهب بن بقية أنا خالد بن عبد الله الطحان عن يزيد بن أبي زياد عن زر بن حبيش عن أبي بن كعب : قال كم تقرؤون سورة الأحزاب قال بضعا وسبعين آية قال لقد قرأتها مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم مثل البقرة أو أكثر منها وان فيها آية الرجم

Zirr bin Hubaish reports that Ubai ibn Ka’ab asked me How many verses are contained in the Surah al-Ahzab ? I said some 70 ( seventy) verses. He said : When we recited it with Allah’s Apostle (S) it was almost as long as the chapter of “Al-Bararah” the Cow, (which contains 286 ( two eighty six ) verses, and in it there was the verse of stoning.

21245 - حدثنا عبد الله ثنا خلف بن هشام ثنا حماد بن زيد عن عاصم بن بهدلة عن زر قال قال لي أبي بن كعب : كأين تقرأ سورة الأحزاب أو كأين تعدها قال قلت له ثلاثا وسبعين آية فقال قط لقد رأيتها وإنها لتعادل سورة البقرة ولقد قرأنا فيها الشيخ والشيخة إذا زنيا فارجموهما البتة نكالا من الله والله عليم حكيم

Zirr bin Hubaish reports that Ubai ibn Ka’ab asked me How many verses are contained in the Surah al-Ahzab ? I said around 73 ( seventy three ) verses. He said : We saw that it was almost equal in length to the chapter of “Al-Bararah” the Cow, (which contains 286 ( two eighty six ) verses, and in it contained the verse of stoning the adulterer and the adulteress. Never was there such a warning from Allah The All-Knower, The Wise.



Taking into account the Hadith of Sahih Muslim, Sahih Bukhari and Ibn Majah – where number of Ayaths missing from the Quran is 130 together with the Hadith from Musnad – Ahmed where the Number of Ayaths missing are 213 –

We have a total of 443 Ayaths Missing in the Holy Quran – according to these “Authentic” (Sahih) sources of Hadith.

Are these the “Authentic” (Sahih) sources which explain the Quran?


5. Neither Bukhari Nor Muslim or the narrators know whether this hadith is from the Quran or not.

And this hadith:

" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust."

Neither Bukhari Nor Muslim or the narrators know whether this hadith is from the Quran or not. They have created an utter confusion.

Here is the proof:

Sahih Muslim (English), Chapter CCCXCI Book 5 Tradition #2283:
Anas b. Malik reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as saying this (the sentence of the above tradition),

but I do not know whether this thing was revealed to him or not, but he said so.
Sahih Muslim Hadith (Arabic) 2463-

وَحَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ الْمُثَنَّى وَابْنُ بَشَّارٍ قَالَ ابْنُ الْمُثَنَّى حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ أَخْبَرَنَا شُعْبَةُ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ قَتَادَةَ يُحَدِّثُ عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ –

فَلاَ أَدْرِى أَشَىْءٌ أُنْزِلَ أَمْ شَىْءٌ كَانَ يَقُولُهُ - بِمِثْلِ حَدِيثِ أَبِى عَوَانَةَ

Sahih Muslim (English), Chapter CCCXCI Book 5, Tradition #2284:
Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If there were two valleys of gold for the son of Adam, he would long for another one, and his mouth will not be filled with dust, and Allah returns to him who repents.

Sahih Muslim Hadith (Arabic) 2464-

وَحَدَّثَنِى حَرْمَلَةُ بْنُ يَحْيَى أَخْبَرَنِى ابْنُ وَهْبٍ أَخْبَرَنِى يُونُسُ عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّهُ قَالَ « لَوْ كَانَ لاِبْنِ آدَمَ وَادٍ مِنْ ذَهَبٍ أَحَبَّ أَنَّ لَهُ وَادِياً آخَرَ وَلَنْ يَمْلأَ فَاهُ إِلاَّ التُّرَابُ وَاللَّهُ يَتُوبُ عَلَى مَنْ تَابَ


Sahih Muslim (English), Chapter CCCXCI, Tradition #2285:

Ibn Abbas reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If there were for the son of Adam a valley full of riches, he would long to possess another one like it, and Ibn Adam does not feel satisfied but with dust. And Allah returns to him who returns (to Him). Ibn Abbas said: I do not know whether it is from Quran or not,

and in the narration transmitted by Zubair it was said: I do not know whether it is from the Quran, and he made no mention of Ibn Abbas.

Sahih Muslim Hadith (Arabic) 2465-

وَحَدَّثَنِى زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ وَهَارُونُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا حَجَّاجُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ جُرَيْجٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ عَطَاءً يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ « لَوْ أَنَّ لاِبْنِ آدَمَ مِلْءَ وَادٍ مَالاً لأَحَبَّ أَنْ يَكُونَ إِلَيْهِ مِثْلُهُ وَلاَ يَمْلأُ نَفْسَ ابْنِ آدَمَ إِلاَّ التُّرَابُ وَاللَّهُ يَتُوبُ عَلَى مَنْ تَابَ »

. قَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ فَلاَ أَدْرِى أَمِنَ الْقُرْآنِ هُوَ أَمْ لاَ . وَفِى رِوَايَةِ زُهَيْرٍ قَالَ فَلاَ أَدْرِى أَمِنَ الْقُرْآنِ . لَمْ يَذْكُرِ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ

Now For Hadithes from Sahih-ul-Bukhari:

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.444

Narrated byIbn Abbas

I heard the Prophet saying, "If the son of Adam (the human being) had two valleys of money, he would wish for a third, for nothing can fill the belly of Adam's son except dust, and Allah forgives him who repents to Him."

Sahih Al-Bukhari (Arabic) #6438-

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو نُعَيْمٍ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ الْغَسِيلِ عَنْ عَبَّاسِ بْنِ سَهْلِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ ابْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ عَلَى الْمِنْبَرِ بِمَكَّةَ فِى خُطْبَتِهِ يَقُولُ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّ النَّبِىَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَ يَقُولُ « لَوْ أَنَّ ابْنَ آدَمَ أُعْطِىَ وَادِياً مَلأً مِنْ ذَهَبٍ أَحَبَّ إِلَيْهِ ثَانِياً ، وَلَوْ أُعْطِىَ ثَانِياً أَحَبَّ إِلَيْهِ ثَالِثاً ، وَلاَ يَسُدُّ جَوْفَ ابْنِ آدَمَ إِلاَّ التُّرَابُ ، وَيَتُوبُ اللَّهُ عَلَى مَنْ تَابَ » . تحفة 5267



Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.445

Narrated byIbn Abbas

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "If the son of Adam had money equal to a valley, then he will wish for another similar to it, for nothing can satisfy the eye of Adam's son except dust. And Allah forgives him who repents to Him." Ibn 'Abbas said:

I do not know whether this saying was quoted from the Qur'an or not. 'Ata' said, "I heard Ibn Az-Zubair saying this narration while he was on the pulpit."



Sahih Al-Bukhari (Arabic) # 6437-

حَدَّثَنِى مُحَمَّدٌ أَخْبَرَنَا مَخْلَدٌ أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ عَطَاءً يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ « لَوْ أَنَّ لاِبْنِ آدَمَ مِثْلَ وَادٍ مَالاً لأَحَبَّ أَنَّ لَهُ إِلَيْهِ مِثْلَهُ ، وَلاَ يَمْلأُ عَيْنَ ابْنِ آدَمَ إِلاَّ التُّرَابُ ، وَيَتُوبُ اللَّهُ عَلَى مَنْ تَابَ »

. قَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ فَلاَ أَدْرِى مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ هُوَ أَمْ لاَ . قَالَ وَسَمِعْتُ ابْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ يَقُولُ ذَلِكَ عَلَى الْمِنْبَرِ . طرفه 6436

Sahih Al-Bukhari (Arabic) # 6440-

وَقَالَ لَنَا أَبُو الْوَلِيدِ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ عَنْ ثَابِتٍ عَنْ أَنَسٍ عَنْ أُبَىٍّ قَالَ كُنَّا نَرَى هَذَا مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ حَتَّى نَزَلَتْ ( أَلْهَاكُمُ التَّكَاثُرُ ) .

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.446

Narrated by Sahl bin Sad

I heard Ibn Az-Zubair who was on the pulpit at Mecca, delivering a sermon, saying, "O men! The Prophet used to say, "If the son of Adam were given a valley full of gold, he would love to have a second one; and if he were given the second one, he would love to have a third, for nothing fills the belly of Adam's son except dust. And Allah forgives he who repents to Him." Ubai said, "We considered this as a saying from the Qur'an till the Sura (beginning with) 'The mutual rivalry for piling up of worldly things diverts you...' - (102.1) was revealed."



6. Another Verse – Claiming to be the offspring of other than your real father – is

Missing from the Quran.

We Are quoting this Hadith from “Sahih –al – Bukhari” Volume 8. Hadith No.817. (Para 5) – English and Bukhari Hadith No. 6830 (Arabic) Which is a very long hadith. We are quoting an extract for purposes of brevity. You can refer this Hadith both in English and Arabic.

، ثُمَّ إِنَّا كُنَّا نَقْرَأُ فِيمَا نَقْرَأُ مِنْ كِتَابِ اللَّهِ أَنْ

لاَ تَرْغَبُوا عَنْ آبَائِكُمْ ، فَإِنَّهُ كُفْرٌ بِكُمْ أَنْ تَرْغَبُوا عَنْ آبَائِكُمْ ، أَوْ إِنَّ كُفْراً بِكُمْ أَنْ تَرْغَبُوا عَنْ آبَائِكُمْ .

This Hadith is reported by Ibn Abbas (R) saying Umar Khattab (R) said:

And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah's Book: 'O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father.'

Where in the Holy Quran do you find this Ayath?

لاَ تَرْغَبُوا عَنْ آبَائِكُمْ ، فَإِنَّهُ كُفْرٌ بِكُمْ أَنْ تَرْغَبُوا عَنْ آبَائِكُمْ ، أَوْ إِنَّ كُفْراً بِكُمْ أَنْ تَرْغَبُوا عَنْ آبَائِكُمْ .

'O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father.'

THERE IS NO SUCH AYATH IN THE QURAN.



This Hadith is also reported in Musnad Ahmed –ibn-Hanbal – Vol.1 Hadith No. 331

331 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا عبد الرزاق ثنا معمر عن الزهري عن عبيد الله بن عبد الله بن عتبة بن مسعود عن بن عباس عن عمر رضي الله عنه انه قال : ان الله عز وجل بعث محمدا بالحق وأنزل معه الكتاب فكان مما أنزل عليه آية الرجم فرجم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ورجمنا بعده ثم قال قد كنا نقرأ ولا ترغبوا عن آبائكم فإنه كفر بكم أو إن كفرا بكم أن ترغبوا عن آبائكم ثم إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لا تطروني كما أطري بن مريم وإنما أنا عبد فقولوا عبده ورسوله وربما قال معمر كما أطرت النصارى بن مريم

Now the total number of Ayaths missing from the Quran is increased by one more - to 444 Ayaths.

Are these these the so-called ‘Authentic’ Books that you wish to take your guidance from? !!!!

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:14 am

6. Mu’awwidhathain – (Surah Al-Falaq and An-Naas) are they

part of the Quran or Not.



Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 6.500 Narrated byZirr bin Hubaish

I asked Ubai bin Ka'b regarding the two Muwwidhat (Surats of taking refuge with Allah). He said, "I asked the Prophet about them. He said, 'These two Surahs have been recited to me and I have recited them (and are present in the Quran).' So, we say as Allah's Apostle said (i.e., they are part of the Qur'an."



Bukhari Hadith (Arabic) # 4976-

حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ عَنْ عَاصِمٍ وَعَبْدَةَ عَنْ زِرِّ بْنِ حُبَيْشٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أُبَىَّ بْنَ كَعْبٍ عَنِ الْمُعَوِّذَتَيْنِ فَقَالَ سَأَلْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ قِيلَ لِى فَقُلْتُ فَنَحْنُ نَقُولُ كَمَا قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم . طرفه 4977



Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 6.501 Narrated byZirr bin Hubaish

I asked Ubai bin Ka'b, "O Abu Al-Mundhir! Your brother, Ibn Mas'ud said so-and-so (i.e., the two Mu'awwidhat do not belong to the Qur'an)." Ubai said, "I asked Allah's Apostle about them, and he said, 'They have been revealed to me, and I have recited them (as a part of the Qur'an).' " So Ubai added, "So we say as Allah's Apostle has said."



Bukhari Hadith (Arabic) # 4977-

حَدَّثَنَا عَلِىُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدَةُ بْنُ أَبِى لُبَابَةَ عَنْ زِرِّ بْنِ حُبَيْشٍ وَحَدَّثَنَا عَاصِمٌ عَنْ زِرٍّ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أُبَىَّ بْنَ كَعْبٍ قُلْتُ يَا أَبَا الْمُنْذِرِ إِنَّ أَخَاكَ ابْنَ مَسْعُودٍ يَقُولُ كَذَا وَكَذَا . فَقَالَ أُبَىٌّ سَأَلْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ لِى قِيلَ لِى . فَقُلْتُ ، قَالَ فَنَحْنُ نَقُولُ كَمَا قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم . طرفه 4976 -



Abdullah Ibn Mas’ud Says – That these two Surahs – 113 and 114 – Falaq and Naas – are not part of the Quran.

Ubayy – ibn – Ka’ab says – They are part of the Quran. (This sentence is the translators’s note – it is not in the hadith narration in Arabic.)

The Question is – Who can we believe.

Lets look at the following Hadithes:



Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 5.153 Narrated by Masruq

'Abdullah bin Masud was mentioned before Abdullah bin 'Amr who said, "That is a man I still love, as I heard the Prophet saying 'Learn the recitation of Qur'an from four from 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud--he started with him--Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudaifa, Mu'adh bin Jabal and Ubai bin Ka'b."

(Also see Bukhari : Vol. 5.103; 5.104; 5.150 and 6. 521)



Bukhari Hadith – Arabic 4999-

حَدَّثَنَا حَفْصُ بْنُ عُمَرَ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ عَمْرٍو عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ مَسْرُوقٍ ذَكَرَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَمْرٍو عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ مَسْعُودٍ فَقَالَ لاَ أَزَالُ أُحِبُّهُ سَمِعْتُ النَّبِىَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ « خُذُوا الْقُرْآنَ مِنْ أَرْبَعَةٍ مِنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ وَسَالِمٍ وَمُعَاذٍ وَأُبَىِّ بْنِ كَعْبٍ » . أطرافه 3758 ، 3760 ، 3806 ،

If We Believe in Abdullah – ibn – Mas’ud – Quran will have only 112 Surahs.

If We believe in Ubai bin Ka’b – Quran will have 114 Surahs.

Bukhari Creates such a confusion that a normal ordinary layman will be so bewildered and perplexed. He or she will become Mentally confused, unable to think with clarity or act intelligently.



Sahih-ul-Bukhari – a book of utter confusion – is lauded as the most authentic Book. Is there a sinister hand behind all this? Allah Knows Best.



7. Bukhari alleges that the phrase “وَمَا خَلَقَ” "Him who created" has been added to verse 92:3 (Surah Al-Layl)



Here is another example, that after the demise of our Holy Prophet, it is alleged that the phrase “وَمَا خَلَقَ” "Him who created" has been added to verse 92:3.
One of the narrators of this controversy is Abdullah bin Masud.

We have stated above that the prophet clearly indicated that Abdullah Ibn Masud is one of whom should be trusted on the matter of Quran.



Let us take a look at this Hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6.468:
Narrated Ibrahim:
The companions of 'Abdullah (Ibn Mas'ud) came to Abu Darda', (and before they arrived at his home), he looked for them and found them.
Then he asked them,: 'Who among you can recite (Quran) as 'Abdullah recites it?" They replied, "All of us.
" He asked, "Who among you knows it by heart?" They pointed at 'Alqama.
Then he asked Alqama. "How did you hear 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud reciting “Wal-Layli Idha Yaghsha “(Surat al-Lail - The Night)?"

Alqama recited:
'By the male and the female.’
' (Abu Ad-Darda) said, "I testify that I heard me Prophet reciting it likewise, but these people want me to recite it:
'And by Him Who created male and female.
' but by Allah, I will not follow them."

Bukhari Hadith – Arabic # 4944-

حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ حَدَّثَنَا أَبِى حَدَّثَنَا الأَعْمَشُ عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ قَالَ قَدِمَ أَصْحَابُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ عَلَى أَبِى الدَّرْدَاءِ فَطَلَبَهُمْ فَوَجَدَهُمْ فَقَالَ

أَيُّكُمْ يَقْرَأُ عَلَى قِرَاءَةِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ؟- قَالَ كُلُّنَا .

قَالَ فَأَيُّكُمْ يَحْفَظُ وَأَشَارُوا إِلَى عَلْقَمَةَ .

قَالَ كَيْفَ سَمِعْتَهُ يَقْرَأُ وَاللَّيْلِ إِذَا يَغْشَى .

قَالَ عَلْقَمَةُ - وَالذَّكَرِ وَالأُنْثَى .

قَالَ أَشْهَدُ أَنِّى سَمِعْتُ النَّبِىَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقْرَأُ هَكَذَا ، وَهَؤُلاَءِ يُرِيدُونِى عَلَى أَنْ أَقْرَأَ

( وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالأُنْثَى ) وَاللَّهِ لاَ أُتَابِعُهُمْ .

أطرافه 3287 ، 3742 ، 3743 ، 3761 ، 4943 ، 6278 -



See the Next Hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: Vol. 5. Hadith 85:

Narrated byAlqama

I went to Sham and offered a two-Rak'at prayer and then said, "O Allah! Bless me with a good pious companion." So I went to some people and sat with them. An old man came and sat by my side. I asked, "Who is he?" They replied, "(He is) Abu-Ad-Darda.' I said (to him), "I prayed to Allah to bless me with a pious companion and He sent you to me." He asked me, "From where are you?" I replied, "From the people of Al-Kufa." He said, "Isn't there amongst you Ibn Um 'Abd, the one who used to carry the shoes, the cushion(or pillow) and the water for ablution? Is there amongst you the one whom Allah gave refuge from Satan through the request of His Prophet? Is there amongst you the one who keeps the secrets of the Prophet which nobody knows except him?"

)Abu Darda( further asked, "How does 'Abdullah (bin Mas'ud) recite the Sura starting with, 'By the Night as it conceals (the light)?' " (92.1)

Then I recited before him:

"By the Night as it envelops: And by the Day as it appears in brightness; And by male and female." (92.1-3)

On this (Abu Ad-Darda') said, "By Allah, the Prophet made me recite the Sura in this way while I was listening to him (reciting it)."



Bukhari Hadith – Arabic # 3742-

حَدَّثَنَا مَالِكُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْرَائِيلُ عَنِ الْمُغِيرَةِ عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ عَلْقَمَةَ ، قَالَ قَدِمْتُ الشَّأْمَ فَصَلَّيْتُ رَكْعَتَيْنِ ، ثُمَّ قُلْتُ اللَّهُمَّ يَسِّرْ لِى جَلِيساً صَالِحاً ، فَأَتَيْتُ قَوْماً فَجَلَسْتُ إِلَيْهِمْ ، فَإِذَا شَيْخٌ قَدْ جَاءَ حَتَّى جَلَسَ إِلَى جَنْبِى ، قُلْتُ مَنْ هَذَا قَالُوا أَبُو الدَّرْدَاءِ . فَقُلْتُ إِنِّى دَعَوْتُ اللَّهَ أَنْ يُيَسِّرَ لِى جَلِيساً صَالِحاً فَيَسَّرَكَ لِى ، قَالَ مِمَّنْ أَنْتَ قُلْتُ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكُوفَةِ . قَالَ أَوَلَيْسَ عِنْدَكُمُ ابْنُ أُمِّ عَبْدٍ صَاحِبُ النَّعْلَيْنِ وَالْوِسَادِ وَالْمِطْهَرَةِ وَفِيكُمُ الَّذِى أَجَارَهُ اللَّهُ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ عَلَى لِسَانِ نَبِيِّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَوَلَيْسَ فِيكُمْ صَاحِبُ سِرِّ النَّبِىِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم الَّذِى لاَ يَعْلَمُ أَحَدٌ غَيْرُهُ

ثُمَّ قَالَ كَيْفَ يَقْرَأُ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ ( وَاللَّيْلِ إِذَا يَغْشَى ) ،

فَقَرَأْتُ عَلَيْهِ ( وَاللَّيْلِ إِذَا يَغْشَى وَالنَّهَارِ إِذَا تَجَلَّى وَالذَّكَرِ وَالأُنْثَى ) .

قَالَ وَاللَّهِ لَقَدْ أَقْرَأَنِيهَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِنْ فِيهِ إِلَى فِىَّ .


Also see Bukhari Hadith – Arabic # 3287, ، 3743 ، 3761 ، 4943 ، 4944 ، 6278

Let us see What the Holy Quran Reads: Surah Al-Layl Verses 1 to 3



92.1 وَاللَّيْلِ إِذَا يَغْشَى

92.1 By the Night as it conceals (the light);



92.2 وَالنَّهَارِ إِذَا تَجَلَّى

92.2 By the Day as it appears in glory;



92.3 وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالأنْثَى

92.3 By the creation of male and female;-

Al-Qur'an, 92.1-3 (Al-Lail [The Night])



But this is what Bukhari Hadith says:

وَاللَّيْلِ إِذَا يَغْشَى وَالنَّهَارِ إِذَا تَجَلَّى وَالذَّكَرِ وَالأُنْثَى



The Words : “By the Creation "وَمَا خَلَقَ" –

ARE MISSING IN BUKHARI HADITH – WHICH INSISTS THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT VERSION.

Is there anything more necessary for further confusion, bewilderment and embarrassment?

I can ask you a hundred other questions not only on the authenticity of hadith, but also of its science, its Isnad – the narrators..........

But I leave it to you people who are intelligent to ask these questions for yourselves and you get the answers in the Quran and Hadithes quoted above.

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:16 am

Bicir100.............bro

According to the ahadiths there more than 444 Ayats missing from the Quran.........

and Allah (SWTC) Said:-



[15:9] اِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَاِنَّا لَهٗ لَحٰـفِظُوْنَ‏

[15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.


[56:77] اِنَّهٗ لَـقُرْاٰنٌ كَرِيْمٌۙ‏

[56:77] That this is indeed a noble Qur’an,

[56:78] فِىْ كِتٰبٍ مَّكْنُوْنٍۙ‏

[56:78] In a well-preserved Book,

[56:79] لَّا يَمَسُّهٗۤ اِلَّا الْمُطَهَّرُوْنَؕ ‏

[56:79] Which none shall touch except those who are purified.

[56:80] تَنْزِيْلٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّ الْعٰلَمِيْنَ ‏

[56:80] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.

[56:81] اَفَبِهٰذَا الْحَـدِيْثِ اَنْتُمْ مُّدْهِنُوْنَۙ‏

[56:81] Is it this Divine discourse that you would reject?

[56:82] وَتَجْعَلُوْنَ رِزْقَكُمْ اَنَّكُمْ تُكَذِّبُوْنَ ‏

[56:82] And do you make the denial thereof your means of livelihood?



Walaale Yaad Rumayn ma ALLAH mise Those who said 444 Ayats is missing from the Quran.....plzzz Jawaab ka bixi adiga wixii soo booqda meeshan......

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:54 am

Bicir100 <--------- maxaaa ku dhacay ma afkiibaa laba taako tegey mise tolow wuu xanuun saday waa kan jawaab laga waayee

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:14 pm

UkMan9 its safe to say nin GAAL ah baad tahay, Kafir Mujrim ah oo diiday Nabi Maxamad Salalahu aleyhi wa salam..ilahay diinta islamka ah ha kugu soo hadeeyo ameen


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