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Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Bicir100 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:12 pm

....salaamu caleykum dhamaaan.....
Don't show me verses where the Qur'an says that we should bow down and prostrate. No, show me where the Quran says WHEN we should prostrate and bow down (the order) and what we should say in each position. It is impossible and no one can show us this. We can only conclude that the method of prayer that we implement today as Muslims came from another source besides the Qur'an
beautiful..This is what Every sunni Muslim should Know. THis statement OF YOURS is SO TRUTH THat it LIterally shakes UKMANs faith. Why?
Because ITs one argument that is so strong and logicall That one have no other choice But to surrender TO its excellence and superiority.

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby AYUUB Isaaq » Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:43 pm

s.caleykum dhamaan...
bicir100.....Mahadsanid sxb... :D
UKman....Wrote.......
(Let us Cadayno bal cidaad Challange garanaysid........ Quran Or Hadith in another Words .....Allah or Bukhari muslim ETC......

Because Allah Said Quran is Complete and fully Detailed Bukhari and Muslim Books Said otherwise......Meaning Quran not Complete and not Fully Detailed

Please Answer................")
War i dhagayso sxb....did u hear me saying Qurankaan diidanahay.....Quranka ma diidani ee si wacan ii faham....maxa isku keenay Allah iyo bukhaari...Khaaliq iyo makhluuq..
n i havent seen any part in bukhari's and Muslim's Book stating Quran is not complete..bukhari n muslim the only thng they did was collecting ahaadiith n put them in a book...mida kale....at the time of Umar Bin Khataab"R.A".....ayaa Quranka la ururiyey oo nabigu markuu noola Quran Kitaabkena o kale ma jirin....After The Prophet of Allah The Quran was collected....As for questionkaga i think i did as i could....
mida kale let me tell u sumthng more....u still didnt answer my questions aan ku waydiiyey...do u go to the masjid 5 times a day or not.....soo kala cadee wax kale ha kumarmarsiyoonin....if yes...who tought u what to say n when to say ....mida kale...suaal ma ogtahay ama ma aaminsan tahay in Nabi muxamed csw uu aha rasuulki Ilaahay iyo Nabigi Ilaaahay...why would u make doubt on what he said .Rasuulku wuxu yidhi CSW
I have left with you what should keep you safe from going astray should you hold fast to it. It is something clear and simple: God's Book and the Sunnah of His Prophet.

n let me tell u...wixi lagugu soo akhriyey as follows....Quranawiyiintu ama dadka hadiithka diida waxay aaminsan yihin sida tan ,
"there is nothing wrong with praying together. There is nothing wrong with praying the traditional Muslim way either,
but it is not the only way to pray and it is not a superior way to pray.
Praying with someone can range from praying shoulder to shoulder, doing and saying exactly the same thing at the same time, to holding each others hands and bowing heads; dedicating that time to God. The only uniform things that the Koran gives when it comes to prayer are the following:

1. Pray to God, The Most High.
2. Kneel and bow with worship in your heart before God, Most High.
3. Pray in the morning, right before or during daybreak.
4. Pray in the evening, during sundown, dusk or right afterwards.
intaa mooye ma in kale ayaad haysa sxb UKMAN.....that clearifies that salaad 5 wakhti ah ma tukatid.....hadaad intaa aminsan tahay.....i dont see five times a day in ur manhajkaaga .

Why don't we have any record of early Muslims completely rejecting hadith? ma maante umbaynu aragnay dad xadiithka diidaya....niyow Runta isku sheeg.......just answer my questions...sxb....

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:43 am

Ac Wr Wb................

AYUUB Isaaq ............Bro

Allah SWTC Said.........

[15:9] اِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَاِنَّا لَهٗ لَحٰـفِظُوْنَ‏

[15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.

Bukhari and Muslim according to their Books there are more than 444 Verses(Aayat) is Missing From The Quran........

Who Are You going to believe bro.....Ma ALLAH swtc hadalkiisaad Qaadan ( Anagaaa soo dejiyey anagaana Xafidayna) Mise Lixda SUNANKA ( Bukhari Muslim Tarmidi ....etc) I need an Answ......bro......

Ma Aamin Sanahay Nabi Muhammed SCWS .......Sxb Qof caqligiisa isticmaalayaa Qof Quran soo daliishanaya ma Waydiiyo suaashaas oo kale...Laakiin maskaxdii aad ku fahmi lahayd iyo caqligii ma leedahay.........Yes i do believe Muhammed more Than you do bro.... laakiin waxaad is waydiisaa waxay qoraan Bukhari and others ma Yihiin Hadalkii Nabi Muhammed SCWS.....

Suaasha kale maxaa loo arki waayey dad hore uga dooda arintaan ahaadiith ta......'Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Whoever wrote, must destroy it" (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel3/12,21,39).......malaa anigaa ku Qoray bookta Ahaadithta.....

Sxb Arin kale aadan ogayn ayaan kuu sheegayaa Bukhaari Book la dhaho Lagama Hayo Shiikh Bukhaari...... Raadi bal siduu inagu soo gaaray Book gaan la dhaho Sahiih All Bukhari

Your Qs About Me UkMan9 .....Yes i Do Pray 5 Times Day and Night...... Waqtiyadooda ....From The Quram..

Fajr ....................... given in 11:114, 24:58
Zuher ........................ given in 17:78 and 30:18
Asr ..........................given in 2:238
Maghrib ........................ given in 11:114
Isha ............................... given in 24:58

What to say

TAKBEER Allahu Akbar ......can be found in 17:111, 2:185, 22 :37, 74:3, and 29:45

Acuudi Billah Minal Shaydani Rajiim......can be found in [16:99]

Reading Fatihah.............can be found in [15:87]

BOWING DOWN (Rukoo) AND FALLING PROSTRATE (Sajood)..... can be found in [22:77]

'Subhan Rabi Al-Adiimm ...........can be found in [15:87]

Sami Allahu Liman Hamidah ........can be found in [3:38][52:48]

'Subhan Rabi Al-Aclaa.............. can be found in [87:1]

Tashahud .............. can be found in [3:18]

End Of The Salat .......... can be found in [10:11]


......NB plzzzz and Plzzz Suaalahayga ka jawaaba sidaan uga jawaabao suaalihiina ............kaba murma hadaad rabtaane

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby AYUUB Isaaq » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:49 pm

In the early period of his Messenger-ship(csw), the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, did not allow his Companions to write down what they heard from him. For example, as related in the Sahih al-Muslim, he said: Do not write anything belonging to me. Whoever has written something received from me outside the Qur’an let him destroy it. This was because it was quite possible that the Companions might confuse the Qur’anic verses with the sayings of the Prophet. The Qur’anic Revelations were coming and recorded on sheets or on fragments of leather or wood. Since the Qur’an was continuing to be revealed, it had not yet been arranged as a complete book. Therefore, God’s Messenger did not want, as a necessary precaution, his sayings to be written down beside the Qur’anic verses. He feared lest people should be unable to distinguish the Qur’an from his sayings and ultimately might go to perdition, as is explicit in the following hadith.

Abu Hurayra narrates:

God’s Messenger once came near us while some friends were writing down what they had heard from him. He asked what they were writing. ‘We are writing what we heard from you’, they answered. The Messenger warned: ‘Do you know that the communities preceding you went astray because they wrote down from others beside the Book of God.

As reported from himself, ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr used to write down whatever he heard from God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings. Some people said to him: ‘You are writing down every-thing coming from the mouth of God’s Messenger. The Messenger is a human being. There are times when he is angered and times when he is pleased.’ ‘Abdullah referred the matter to God’s Messenger, who answered him, pointing to his mouth: Write down, for, I swear by Him in Whose hand is my life, nothing comes out from this except truth.

A man came to God’s Messenger and complained about his memory, saying: ‘O Messenger of God: We hear many things from you. But most of them slip our minds because we cannot memorize them’. God’s Messenger replied: Ask your right hand for help.The Messenger meant that he should write down what he heard....i think i clarified for ur missconception Further more...
Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Whoever wrote, must destroy it" (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel3/12,21,39)
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If we are to follow this hadith, and reject all hadith (i.e., destroy them) then we must destroy this one as well. No? It is almost like a contradiction to use a hadith to tell you that you shouldn't follow hadith. See what I mean?.......kan na wan raacaya kuwankalena waan diidaya isma qabtaan niyow.
u still havent answer my question maxaynu u arki wayney dad xadiithka diidan oo ka horeeyey syed ahmed khan ...let me tell u sumthng more niyow...
Syed Ahmed Khan (1817-1898) was considered the founder of the modernist movement within Islam, and applied "rational science" to the Quran and Hadith, and subsequently ruled that the sayings of the prophet were not legally binding on Muslims.....ninki ugu horeeyey ee waxad aad aaminsantahay aaminsana wakaa....1817 kii......intaa ka hor ba waa jireen bukhaari iyo muslim axaadiithtay ururiyeen.....

Mida kale u didnt get my question....i asked you sidey u kala hor horeeyaan ma Quraankay ku taala mida kale each prayer aynu tukano fajr ilaa cishaayi ma Quraankay ku taala inta rakcadood la tukado....tell me....?????....
mida kale ur quoted ayaatas numbers sum of them are wrong as for example.
Acuudi Billah Minal Shaydani Rajiim......can be found in [16:99]
it goes as follows
Verily! He has no power over those who believe and put their trust only in their Lord (Allah).
what does it suppose to do with acuudi bilaahi minishaydaani rajiim...
Reading Fatihah.............can be found in [15:87]
it doesn't say read fatixa in the prayer ..sxb......And indeed, We have bestowed upon you seven of Al-Mathani (the seven repeatedly recited Verses), (i.e. Sarat Al-Fatiha) and the Grand Qur'an ....it doesnt says read fatixa in the salaah....
'Subhan Rabi Al-Adiimm ...........can be found in [15:87]...same here u just repeated the ayat.
Sami Allahu Liman Hamidah ........can be found in [3:38][52:48]
...At that time Zakariya (Zachariya) invoked his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant me from You, a good offspring. You are indeed the All-Hearer of invocation."3:38.....what does it suppose to do with that...wa duco u Nabi Zakariye Ilaahay kuwaydiisanayey offspring...ama qof dhaxla.
Sami Allahu Liman Hamidah ........can be found in [3:38][52:48]
...So wait patiently (O Muhammad ) for the Decision of your Lord, for verily, you are under Our Eyes , and glorify the Praises of your Lord when you get up from sleep....it says sleep.....sxb siwacan usoo akhri Quranka...don't quote ayaado khaldan ha soo qorin.
Subhan Rabi Al-Aclaa.............. can be found in [87:1]
Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High,...samicalaahu liman xamida kuma qorna meesha siwacan u akhri...
Tashahud .............. can be found in [3:18]
.....Allah bears witness that La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), and the angels, and those having knowledge (also give this witness); (He is always) maintaining His creation in Justice. La ilah illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
....attaxyaatu ...ilaa filcaalamina innnaka xamidun majiid..does it states yes or no....thats ur qoutation kaagi...
End Of The Salat .......... can be found in [10:11]
11. And were Allah to hasten for mankind the evil (they invoke for themselves and for their children, etc. while in a state of anger) as He hastens for them the good (they invoke) then they would have been ruined. So We leave those who expect not their meeting with Us, in their trespasses, wandering blindly in distraction....thats what u have quoted halkay kaga tala end of salah...........readers will decide....

as for Ur only answer u answered was as follows
Your Qs About Me UkMan9 .....Yes i Do Pray 5 Times Day and Night
masha ALlah...sxb i asked u hadaad tukatana yaa ku baray sidan aad u tukanayso ma Quranka mise Nabiga(csw)....nabiga csw haduu ku barayna....Rasuulkeena(csw) sxb Axaadiith ayaa lagu soo wariyey....marka haka marmarsiyoonin waaqica jira...
war maxa loo heli waayey dad adoo kale ah o leh i don't believe axaadiith ta.....sxb i think i clarified Ur questions kaagi oodhan .
Yes i do believe Muhammed more Than you do bro.... laakiin waxaad is waydiisaa waxay qoraan Bukhari and others ma Yihiin Hadalkii Nabi Muhammed SCWS.....
thats was the reply i expected from you sxb....Haa way yihin.....oo axaadiith dhamaantood qofki wariyey kuu kasii wariyey iyo aabihi awoowgi waxasoo dhan ayaa ku qoran each xadiith...let me clear one thing for u ....kaba soo qaad u rejected all axaadiith.....whatso ever parts of ur regular daily salat its in the axaadiith same as u do in the salah.....maad salaada iska daysid Waxyaalaha lagu dhex akhriyo.....u taking axaadith secretly qaar kalena wan diidanahay ayaad ku leedahay..sxb muran badan ma wanaagsan intan kari kari lahaana wan kuu sharxay ee fadlan waxyaalahan lagugu soo akhrinayo meel iska dhig Allah iyo Rasuulkiisa adeec ...
4:59 O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.. ...4:59

Ilaahay ha ina wada waafajiyo dariiqa toosan.....
s.caleykum wr wb ..

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:42 am

AC.........WR....WB

AYUUB Isaaq Sxb.......... suaal ayaad i waydiisay u qornayd sidan........

((((Why don't we have any record of early Muslims completely rejecting hadith? ma maante umbaynu aragnay dad xadiithka diidaya....niyow Runta isku sheeg.......just answer my questions...sxb....))))

Anna waxaan kaaga jawaabay

(((( (Suaasha kale maxaa loo arki waayey dad hore uga dooda arintaan ahaadiith ta......'Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Whoever wrote, must destroy it" (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel3/12,21,39).......malaa anigaa ku Qoray bookta Ahaadithta.....)))))

Macnaheeduna waxaa weeye hadaan hore la isugu haysan ma anigaa qoray xadiithkaas................

Sxb Allah ayaan kugu Dhaarshee maadan ALLAH swtc Inyar oo ixtiraam ah u hayn........... War ma aamini wayday hadalka ALLAH oo uu yiri ...........ANAGAA SOO DEJINAY ANAGAANA XAFIDAYNA.......ALLAH swtc miyaa arin uu BALAN QAADAY INUU XAFIDO wax kaga milmi karaan................SUBXANAKA YAA RABI......

For the sake of the debate let us assume that the ban was lifted during the time of prophet Muhammad SCWS ..........According to you bro Quran (((((The Qur’anic Revelations were coming and recorded on sheets or on fragments of leather or wood))))........

How can you explain bro.....when the last verse of the Quran revealed Nabi Mohammed scws died nine nights later..... and .......don’t forget Quran recorded on sheets or on fragments of leather or wood...... again
in according to you bro Quran ka ..........waxaa la isu keenay Nabigu scws Markuu dhintay ka bacdi......

Zayd Ibn Thabit visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiya (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu'aawiya liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said, "The messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his Hadith." (Reported by Ibn Hanbal).......

Please bro again explain to me WHY the same ban was still in-place nearly 30 years after the prophet's death and AFTER the Quran was supposedly compiled!

Midda kale sxb ..........haddii asxaabta loo fasaxay inay qoraan meeye axaadiith tii asxaabtu qortay waadiga haysta axaadiith ay qoreen... BUKHAARI..... MUSLIM .....TERMIDI .......AXMED etc...............

According to you ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr wuxuu qoray Axaadiith .....hadday run tahay meeye qoraaladaasi.......
Bukhari wuxuu Dhashay 194H around 1300 years Qoralka Bukhari waa la xafiday laakiin around 200 years oo ka horaysay qoraalka Bukhari waa la xafidi waayey axaadiithii ay qoreen asxaabtu......miyaa hadalkaagu.........

Aniga sxb........ Subaxdaa iigu horaysa Cishahaana u danbeeya...... Sababtoo ah maalintii waan shaqaystaa habeenkiina Waan seexdaa........ maalintuna Arooryaday iiga bilaabataa......hadaadan adigu haysan maalin ka bilaabata duhur ama casar ama maqrib ama cisha.............

Midda kale sxb.........bal aan ku waydiiyee sxb....la kaalay hal xadiith oo nabigu scws leeyahay subaxdu waa 2 rakco.....duhur ku waa 4 rakco.....casarku waa 4 rakco maqribku waa 3 rakco cishuhuna waa 4 rakco.......



The (Last) Farewell Sermon ....bro Khudbadaas dheerayd ee nabigu scws jeediyey according to the books waxay leedahay 3 riwayaat oo kala duwan.......1) Quran and sunnah.....2) Quran and Ahli baytii.......3) Quran anlone.........

references to the three versions of the Sermon

1) I leave with you Quran and Sunnah, Muwatta, 46/3

2) I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt , Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.

3) I leave for you the Quran alone you shall uphold it.

Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56. See Sahih Muslim, Book of Hajj, Book 7 , Number 2803:

Sxb.........ALLAH ayaan kugu dhaarshee hal khudbad oo kumanaan qof dhagaysanayeen ayaa waxaa loo kala jiitay 3 meelood maxaad ka filaysaa xadiith ka qof ka kaliyi leeyahay anigaa maqlay..........

One more time bro this is where what i say in the salat came from.........

ALLAHU AKBAR
17:111] وَقُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلّٰهِ الَّذِىْ لَمْ يَتَّخِذْ وَلَدًا وَّلَمْ يَكُنْ لَّهٗ شَرِيْكٌ فِىْ الْمُلْكِ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَّهٗ وَلِىٌّ مِّنَ الذُّلِّ‌ وَكَبِّرْهُ تَكْبِيْرًا

*17:111) Say: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"

ACUUDI BILLAAHI MINAL SHAYDANI RAJIM

[16:98] فَاِذَا قَرَاْتَ الْقُرْاٰنَ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللّٰهِ مِنَ الشَّيْطٰنِ الرَّجِيْمِ‏
(16:98) When thou dost read the Qur'an, seek Allah's protection from Satan the rejected one.

FAATIHAH

[15:87] وَلَـقَدْ اٰتَيْنٰكَ سَبْعًا مِّنَ الْمَـثَانِىْ وَالْـقُرْاٰنَ الْعَظِيْمَ‏
(15:87) And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur'an.



[29:45] اُتْلُ مَاۤ اُوْحِىَ اِلَيْكَ مِنَ الْكِتٰبِ وَاَقِمِ الصَّلٰوةَ ‌ؕ اِنَّ الصَّلٰوةَ تَنْهٰى عَنِ الْفَحْشَآءِ وَالْمُنْكَرِ‌ؕ وَلَذِكْرُ اللّٰهِ اَكْبَرُ ‌ؕ وَاللّٰهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا تَصْنَعُوْنَ‏

(29:45) You shall recite what is revealed to you of the Scripture (the Qur’an), and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of Allah is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And Allah knows the (deeds) that you do. ."

SUBXANI RABIYAL CADIM

[56:74] فَسَبِّحْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الْعَظِيْمِ‏

[56:74] "You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great".

SAMICA ALLAHU LIMAN XAMIDAH

[3:38] هُنَالِكَ دَعَا زَكَرِيَّا رَبَّهٗ‌‌ۚ قَالَ رَبِّ هَبْ لِىْ مِنْ لَّدُنْكَ ذُرِّيَّةً طَيِّبَةً‌‌ ۚ اِنَّكَ سَمِيْعُ الدُّعَآءِ‏
3:38 There did Zakariya pray to his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!

[52:48] وَاصْبِرْ لِحُكْمِ رَبِّكَ فَاِنَّكَ بِاَعْيُنِنَا‌ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ حِيْنَ تَقُوْمُۙ‏
52:48 Now await in patience the command of thy Lord: for verily thou art in Our eyes: and celebrate the praises of thy Lord the while thou standest forth,


SUBXANA RABIYAL ACLAA
[87:1] سَبِّحِ اسْمَ رَبِّكَ الْاَعْلَىۙ‏

[87:1] "Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High".


TASHAHUD

[3:18] شَهِدَ اللّٰهُ اَنَّهٗ لَاۤ اِلٰهَ اِلَّا هُوَۙ وَالْمَلٰٓٮِٕكَةُ وَاُولُوْا الْعِلْمِ قَآٮِٕمًا ۢ بِالْقِسْطِ‌ؕ لَاۤ اِلٰهَ اِلَّا هُوَ الْعَزِيْزُ الْحَكِيْمُؕ‏

[3:18] Allah bears witness that there is no God but He — and also do the angels and those possessed of knowledge — Maintainer of justice; there is no God but He, the Mighty, the Wise.

ENDING


[10:10] دَعْوٰٮهُمْ فِيْهَا سُبْحٰنَكَ اللّٰهُمَّ وَ تَحِيَّـتُهُمْ فِيْهَا سَلٰمٌ‌ۚ وَاٰخِرُ دَعْوٰٮهُمْ اَنِ الْحَمْدُ لِلّٰهِ رَبِّ الْعٰلَمِيْنَ

[10:10] Their prayer therein shall be, ‘Glory be to Thee, O Allah!’ and their greeting therein shall be, ‘Peace.’ And the conclusion of their prayer shall be, ‘All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.’ ............................


Do you know what is so funny bro ...........you are not answering any Qs I asked you.........
Once more................

Bro do you believe......more than 444 verses are missing from the Quran....as Bukhari and Muslim believed.................

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:42 am

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25:33] وَلَا يَاْتُوْنَكَ بِمَثَلٍ اِلَّا جِئْنٰكَ بِالْحَـقِّ وَاَحْسَنَ تَفْسِيْرًاؕ‏

[25:33] And they bring thee no similitude but We provide thee with the truth and an excellent explanation.

[25:33] Whatever argument they come up with, we provide you with the truth, and a better understanding.

25:33 And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof).

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby AYUUB Isaaq » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:35 pm

..S.CALEYKUM .(((( (Suaasha kale maxaa loo arki waayey dad hore uga dooda arintaan ahaadiith ta......'Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Whoever wrote, must destroy it" (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel3/12,21,39).......malaa anigaa ku Qoray bookta Ahaadithta.....)))))..
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur’aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that. (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa’l-Raqaa’iq, 5326) .
Al-Qaadi said: there were many disputes among the Sahaabah and Taabi’een concerning the writing down of knowledge. Many of them regarded this as being makrooh, but most of them regarded it as permissible. This dispute is no longer an issue.
“Write it down for Abu Shaah”; or the hadeeth of the saheefah of ‘Alee (may Allaah be pleased with him); the hadeeth of the book of ‘Amr ibn Hazm, which contains laws on inheritance, sunnahs and diyaat (blood money); the hadeeth about writing down charity, and the minimum amounts at which zakaah becomes obligatory (nisaab), with which Abu Bakr sent Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) to Bahrain.
The scholars said: a group of the Sahaabah and Taabi’een regarded it as makrooh to write down the hadeeth and they regarded it as mustahabb to learn it from them by heart, as they had learned it. But when people were no longer able to strive so hard (in memorizing) and the scholars feared that knowledge might be lost, they compiled it in books.”
There are countless instructions from the Prophet instructing his companions to write down some ahadeeth.
Abdullaah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (May Allaah be pleased with him) reports "I came to the Prophet and told him, I want to narrate your ahadeeth. So, I want to take assistance of my handwriting besides my heart. Do you deem it fit for me?’
The Prophet replied,
If it is my hadeeth you may seek help from your hand besides your heart. (Daarimi).

The Scripts of Abu Hurairah
Hasan ibn Amr reports that once:
Abu Hurairah took him to his home and showed him “many books” containing the ahadeeth of the Prophet. (Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari).

Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).(Sooraah al-Hijr:9).
Ibn Hazm (May Allaah have mercy on him) said in his book ‘al-Ihkaam that al-dhikr is a name that comprises all that Allaah revealed to His Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) be it the Qur'aan or the Sunnah. The Sunnah is also a revelation that explains the Qur'aan

Sxb Allah ayaan kugu Dhaarshee maadan ALLAH swtc Inyar oo ixtiraam ah u hayn........... War ma aamini wayday hadalka ALLAH oo uu yiri ...........ANAGAA SOO DEJINAY ANAGAANA XAFIDAYNA.......ALLAH swtc miyaa arin uu BALAN QAADAY INUU XAFIDO wax kaga milmi karaan................SUBXANAKA YAA RABI......
Sxb You are just acting as am refusing The Holly Quran,sida aad xadiithka dhan u diidan tahay.Once More sxb if you telling us that u don’t believe Ahaadith,Horta waxay axaadiithtu..ma Quraan kay ka soo horjeedaan mise way macneynayaan.
Sxb The Other thing is war ma waxad imika I leedahay Rasuulki Ilaahay S.CW.Hadalkisa ma rumaysanayo,
Let him that is present, convey it unto him who is absent, for many people
to whom the message is conveyed may be more mindful of it than the
audience. ..imika ma taasad diidan tahay.war niyow wax macquul ah la kaalay….most of the Muslims follow the Quran n The Ahaadiith of the Rasuulullah.C.S.W…Almost 98% ama inta kaba badan…..Now u telling me u n ur fellow sects are correct almost 2% ayaa saxsan dadka kale way khaldan yihin…..
Mida kale the ayats u are using sxb its used for kaafiriin.markad leedahay
And they bring thee no similitude but We provide thee with the truth and an excellent explanation….Please see the contex n what purpose the ayatska loo isticmaala….If U saying Quraankan raaaca oo xadiith ma raaco,how come aad salaadaha u tukata.Xadiithku Quraanka ma burinayo kamana soo horjeeda..tell me one xadith which is saxeex xasan Aaayad Quraanka kazoo horjeedanaysa,You will neva eva find it.
Mida kale,sxb tushuushka aad wado dadka kala dhex tag..coz cid waliba waata ku arkaysa inaad balaayo dadka la dhex marayso waxan hore loo maqal….The Founderkiina wa aniga kusoo Qoray .Mida kasi daran waxa weeyi..Ilaah ayaan kugu dhaarshe salaada sida dadka muslimiinta u tukadan hadaad u tukato halkeyd ka baratay,waaba hadaad u tukato sida ay u tukadaan muslimiinta….siday isugu xig xigaan how many times aya subxaanallah la odhanaya.
“Aniga sxb........ Subaxdaa iigu horaysa Cishahaana u danbeeya...... Sababtoo ah maalintii waan shaqaystaa habeenkiina Waan seexdaa........ maalintuna Arooryaday iiga bilaabataa.”..sxb maalinta iyo habeenka mida horeysa soo ogow….Habeenki ayaa maalinti ka horeeya according to the Quran n The Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah.scw.. sura 31, verse 29:
"Hast thou not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night."……….sura 39, verse 5:
". . . He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night.".
“Midda kale sxb.........bal aan ku waydiiyee sxb....la kaalay hal xadiith oo nabigu scws leeyahay subaxdu waa 2 rakco.....duhur ku waa 4 rakco.....casarku waa 4 rakco maqribku waa 3 rakco cishuhuna waa 4 rakco.”…….Suaal aad u wanaagsan sxb…intaanan ka jawaabin u said 5 times waaad tukata n u don’t have a proof for ur 5 times a day prayers that’s strange walahi….now u are about to say 5 times ma jirto somaha.....

Mida Kale hadaad leedahay ma aaminsani xadiithyada rasuulkena s.c.w.how come all of them are wrong......com on You Just in error guess.Siduu Ilaahay u Ilaaliyey hadalkisa ayuu ka Rasuulki Ilaahay u Ilaalinayaa waayo waa Ilaahay Hadaladisa hadiithku.





He who obeys the Messenger obeys God and he who turns away, (he will reap the consequences of his choice, for). We have not made you (O Prophet) a warder over them.
do not put yourselves forward in the presence of God and his messenger ... lift not your voices above the voice of the Prophet nor shout when speaking to him as you shout one to another, lest your deeds come to nothing while you perceive it not (49:2).
And when it is said to them, Come unto what God has sent down and unto the Messenger, you (O Prophet) see the hypocrites turn from you in aversion (4:61).



It says in the Qu'ran (Surah 33:21) that we have the Messenger as a good example to follow. How would we know his example without the traditions to turn to?.

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:31 am

Ac..Wr..Wb...

Sxb.......

by AYUUB Isaaq (((( u still havent answer my question maxaynu u arki wayney dad xadiithka diidan oo ka horeeyey syed ahmed khan.....))))
Again

by AYUUB Isaaq ((((( Al-Qaadi said: there were many disputes among the Sahaabah and Taabi’een concerning the writing down of knowledge. Many of them regarded this as being makrooh, but most of them regarded it as permissible...))))

Sxb....Alif Wax buu leeyahay iyo malaha ........ Majirin wax ahaadith isku haysta waa jireen wax ahadith isku haysta........ what a confused Guy........


by AYUUB Isaaq ((((“Write it down for Abu Shaah”; or the hadeeth of the saheefah of ‘Alee (may Allaah be pleased with him); ))))

Where is it???

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( the hadeeth of the book of ‘Amr ibn Hazm, which contains laws on inheritance, sunnahs and diyaat (blood money); the hadeeth about writing down charity, and the minimum amounts at which zakaah becomes obligatory (nisaab), with which Abu Bakr sent Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) to Bahrain.)))

Where are these writings now bro???..............

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( The Scripts of Abu Hurairah
Hasan ibn Amr reports that once:
Abu Hurairah took him to his home and showed him “many books” containing the ahadeeth of the Prophet. (Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari)...)))

Where is “many books of Abu Hurairah we both know that Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari are not the books of Abu Hurairah..............

Again another contradiction.......... Prophet Muhammad SCWS... allowed to write it down the ahadiths.......

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( A man came to God’s Messenger and complained about his memory, saying: ‘O Messenger of God: We hear many things from you. But most of them slip our minds because we cannot memorize them’. God’s Messenger replied: Ask your right hand for help. The Messenger meant that he should write down what he heard....i think i clarified for ur missconception Further more...)))



by AYUUB Isaaq ((( The scholars said: a group of the Sahaabah and Taabi’een regarded it as makrooh to write down the hadeeth and they regarded it as mustahabb to learn it from them by heart, as they had learned it. But when people were no longer able to strive so hard (in memorizing) and the scholars feared that knowledge might be lost, they compiled it in books.”)))

It wasn’t the Messenger........ it was the scholars who feared that the knowledge (ahadiths) might lost, they compiled it in books.........

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( There are countless instructions from the Prophet instructing his companions to write down some ahadeeth.....)))

lol......not all the ahadiths..........just....some ahadiths.......


by AYUUB Isaaq ((( Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).(Sooraah al-Hijr:9).
Ibn Hazm (May Allaah have mercy on him) said in his book ‘al-Ihkaam that al-dhikr is a name that comprises all that Allaah revealed to His Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) be it the Qur'aan or the Sunnah. The Sunnah is also a revelation that explains the Qur'aan.....)))

Sxb . Ibn Hazm..7 November 994–15 August 1064 ...ama.... 456 AH hadalkiisa miyaa daliilka aad u keentay in Ahadiths ta la qoray.....DIKR waa Quraanka iyo Sunada.......Labadaba ALLAH baa xafiday..........Subxaana ALLAH.....CSWJ.... War ma Allah xafiday ayaa dhumi kara ama la waayi karaa...ama wax ku milmi kara........yes or no

ugu yaraan 400 years ayuu ka danbeeyey Asxaabta ninkaan... Ibn Hazm.....lol

Sxb....... Nabigaa SCWS Yiri yaan la qorin....haddana Nabigaa SCWS yiri hala qoro.... Haddana Culumadaa ka baqday inay dhumaan oo book ku qortay...... haddana waa DIKRI oo Allah baa xafiday ..........

Bro.... Can’t you see how your words contradicting each other .........

Sxb.....waxaad hore usoo qortay in Markii Ahadithta la diiday qoridooda laga baqayey inay isku milmaan Quranka...... anna waxaan ku waydiiyey......

((( Sxb Allah ayaan kugu Dhaarshee maadan ALLAH swtc Inyar oo ixtiraam ah u hayn........... War ma aamini wayday hadalka ALLAH oo uu yiri ...........ANAGAA SOO DEJINAY ANAGAANA XAFIDAYNA.......ALLAH swtc miyaa arin uu BALAN QAADAY INUU XAFIDO wax kaga milmi karaan................SUBXANAKA YAA RABI......)))

Haddana waabad ka sii dartay oo waxaad tiri Ahadithta iyo Quran kaba ALLAH ayaa xafiday............

Ma Wax Allah Xafiday ayaa dhumi kara ama isku qaldami kara.....

Ka jawaab Hadaad Allah ixtiraam u haysid.........

Sxb...... waxaad tiri ........

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( Sxb The Other thing is war ma waxad imika I leedahay Rasuulki Ilaahay S.CW.Hadalkisa ma rumaysanayo,
Let him that is present, convey it unto him who is absent, for many people
to whom the message is conveyed may be more mindful of it than the
audience. ..imika ma taasad diidan tahay.war niyow wax macquul ah la kaalay........)))

Sxb......... As you can see below, the LAST words of the LAST sermon of the LAST prophet which had been witnessed by the greatest number of his friends (Sahabah), have been reported in three different versions.

1) "I am leaving for you two things that you must uphold, the Quran and my Sunnah"........... (According to Muwatta 46/3).

2) "I am leaving for you the Quran and my relatives (Ahl Al- Bayt)"......... (According to Muslim 44/4, Nu 2408; Ibn Hanbal 4/366; Darimi 23/1, Nu 3319).

3) "I am leaving for you the Quran; you shall uphold it"......... (According to Muslim 15/19, Nu 1218; Ibn Majah 25/84, Nu 3074; Abu Dawud 11/56, Nu 1905).

So Bro......ALLAH ayaan kugu dhaarshee........ What did the prophet leave for us according to your most authentic hadith?............Which one of the three reports is correct?

Sxb.....How can you trust those hadith books which can change the most important words, though witnessed by thousands of people?.......
Sxb...I am not refusing words of Our Beloved Prophet SCWS.....but i refused lies of ahadith books about Our Beloved Prophet Mohammed SCWS.......

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( tell me one xadith which is saxeex xasan Aaayad Quraanka kazoo horjeedanaysa,You will neva eva find it..)))

SXB.....I can bring tons of ahadiths in to this matter but sake of the readers let me stay just 2........the longer the Post the easier they get tired of reading it ....

256 – There shall be no compulsion in religion.
2 The Cow, 256

Hadith: “Kill the renegade!”
Nesei, Bukhari.

38 – No soul bears sins of another soul.
53 The Star, 38

Hadith: “The dead will suffer for the tears of his/her family will shed for him/her.”
Bukhari, Jemiz

Sxb.......waad illowday ayaan filayaa Hadith kii oranayey........ Subaxdu waa 2 rakco Duhurku waa 4 casarku waa 4 maqrib waa 3 cishu waa 4........ bal soo qor.......

mise waad wayday......lol.......

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby AYUUB Isaaq » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:17 pm

Sxb....Alif Wax buu leeyahay iyo malaha ........ Majirin wax ahaadith isku haysta waa jireen wax ahadith isku haysta........ what a confused Guy........
..I think you got somali language problem i tried to read as much as i could but coulnt understand the meaning anyway.
Axaadiith ta qoladinaan imika soo baxday ka hor cid diidi jirtey lama arag waxa uun la isku haystey ma qorna mise waynu xifdina….xadithku ma saxsana mesha ma yaalin .
(((“Write it down for Abu Shaah”; or the hadeeth of the saheefah of ‘Alee (may Allaah be pleased with him); ))))
During the conquest of Makka, God’s Messenger gave a sermon. A man from the Yemen, named Abu Shah, stood up and said: ‘O God’s Messenger! Please write down these [words] for me!’ The Messenger ordered: Write down for Abu Shah
bn Hajar said: What may be understood from the story of Abu Shaah (“Write it for Abu Shaah”) is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave permission for hadeeth to be written down from him.
This contradicts the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, which says that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Do not write down anything from me except the Qur’aan.’ (Narrated by Muslim).
The two may be reconciled by noting that the prohibition applied only to the time when the Qur’aan was being revealed, lest it be confused with something else, and that permission was given at other times; or that the prohibition applied only to writing down things other than Qur’aan with the Qur’aan on one thing, and that permission was given to write them separately; of that the prohibition came first and the permission abrogated that, when there was no longer any fear of confusion. This is most likely to be the case.
the hadeeth of the book of ‘Amr ibn Hazm, which contains l
sxb miyaan kuusoo iibiya oo aan kuusoo dira this is what u want it from me miya...i wasnt the one who wrote these books they are found in the market go n buy it ur slef.let me tell you more books.
The compilations of the First Century:

1. Book of Khalid ibn Ma’dan (d. 104)
2. Books of Abu Qilabah (d. 104). He bequeathed his books to his pupil, Ayyub Saktiyan (68-131 A.H.), who paid more than ten dirhams as a fare for them being loaded on a camel.
3. The script of Hammam ibn Munabbih,
4. Books of Hasan al-Basri (21-110 A.H.)
5. Books of Muhammad al-Baqir (56-114 A.H.)
6. Books of Makhul from Syria
7. Book of Hakam ibn ‘Utaibah.
Where is “many books of Abu Hurairah we both know that Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari are not the books of Abu Hurairah
The scholars said: a group of the Sahaabah and Taabi’een regarded it as makrooh to write down the hadeeth and they regarded it as mustahabb to learn it from them by heart, as they had learned it. But when people were no longer able to strive so hard (in memorizing) and the scholars feared that knowledge might be lost, they compiled it in books.
It wasn’t the Messenger........ it was the scholars who feared that the knowledge (ahadiths) might lost, they compiled it in books.........
Sxb I didn’t said it was the Messenger of Allah Who Feared That the knowledge might lost..I said The scholars….
lol......not all the ahadiths..........just....some ahadiths.......
......Lol sxb I didn’t said all the ahadiith…just read it again.
Where is “many books of Abu Hurairah we both know that Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari are not the books of Abu Hurairah.
Sxb did I said these two books are Abu huraira’s Books..read it again..Abu Hurairah took him to his home and showed him “many books” containing the ahadeeth of the Prophet. (Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari)
Jaami Bayaan Ul Ilm wasn’t from the abu huraira..i quoted these two books as references that abu hurairah used to have many books of ahadiith.Si dagan wax u akhri u will get it .
Again another contradiction.......... Prophet Muhammad SCWS... allowed to write it down the ahadiths
Sxb Rasuulku CSW…Allowed To Write the ahadiiths down for only those who couldn’t have the ability to memorize by heart ma garatay.
DIKR waa Quraanka iyo Sunada.......Labadaba ALLAH baa xafiday..........Subxaana ALLAH.....CSWJ.... War ma Allah xafiday ayaa dhumi kara ama la waayi karaa...ama wax ku milmi kara........yes or no
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Firstly war ma xadiithyo lumay baa jira ama la waayey..no way.as for wax ku milmi karaa…Wax ku milma na waala kala cadeyey daciif iyo saxeex ayaa look saaray ma garatay.
Sxb....... Nabigaa SCWS Yiri yaan la qorin....haddana Nabigaa SCWS yiri hala qoro.... Haddana Culumadaa ka baqday inay dhumaan oo book ku qortay...... haddana waa DIKRI oo Allah baa xafiday ..........
Bro.... Can’t you see how your words contradicting each other
Yesterday, my young son came to me and asked me for a sweet. I told him he's not allowed. Half an hour later, he asked me again and i gave him one. why did i give a different answer, in the space of just half an hour? If 2 people were to see me doing that, and report back to others, one would say i forbid sweets for little children, and another would say i permit them. So what was my reason for saying no the first time??? he hadnt eaten his food. So no sweets. After he ate them, a sweet was allowed.

In short, when the circumstances changed (from not having eaten food, to eaten food) my decision changed too (not giving a sweet to giving a sweet). The Prophet (saw) did the same. Not all circumstances call for the same action. depending on circumstances, the decision made also changes. DOnt you see that judges do not give all criminals the same sentence. They are strict with some, lenient with others. It depends on what happened.
Lol…I don’t see contradicting my words si wacan I dhagayso,firstly Nabiga csw wuxu yidhi Waxan Quraanka aheyn ha iga qorina,mida labaad wuxu u ogolaaday dadka aan waxba xifdiyi kareyn ayu yidhi gacanta ha caawiso meaning ha qortaan.ta sadaxaad na Culumadi haa offcourse way ka baqeen inay aqoonta lumaan daliilkana waa sida tan
Abdullaah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (May Allaah be pleased with him) reports that the Prophet said to him:
Preserve Knowledge
Abdullaah then asked,
how should it be preserved?
The Prophet replied,
by writing it.
(Mustadrik Haakim; Jaami ul Bayaan).
After Abdullaah ibn Amr conveyed their opinion to the Prophet, the Prophet replied by pointing to his lips and said:
I swear by the One in whose hands is the soul of Muhammad: nothing comes out from these two (lips) except truth(haqq). So, do write. (Abu Dawood; Tabaqaat ibn Sa’d; Mustadrik ul Haakim).

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby AYUUB Isaaq » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:24 pm

Haddana waabad ka sii dartay oo waxaad tiri Ahadithta iyo Quran kaba ALLAH ayaa xafiday............
Ma Wax Allah Xafiday ayaa dhumi kara ama isku qaldami kara.....Ka jawaab Hadaad Allah ixtiraam u haysid.........
...
Sxb I maqal….In the ayat it says DHIKR Dhikri kana it has been translated into Quran n Sunnah ma garatay.U may say Quraanka ayaa loo jeeda lakin anu ma turjumin.
Al-Dhikr mentioned in the ayah has numerous meanings in the Glorious Qur’aan, it is sometimes for the Glorious Qur'aan as in
And this is a blessed Reminder (al-dhikr), which We have sent down: will you then (dare to) deny it? (Sooraah al-Anbiyaah:50)

And sometimes it is used for Sunnah, as in,
With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you the Dhikr, that you may tubayyina (explain clearly) to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought. (Soorah An-Nahl:44)



Allaah has surely blessed the believers with His favor when He raised in their midst a Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them His verses and makes them pure and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom, while they were, earlier in open error. (Soorah Al-Baqaraa:164).
The definition is eloquently explained by Imaam Shaaf’ee (may Allaah have mercy on him)
Allaah (Exalted is He) mentioned the Kitaab, and that is the Qur'aan; He also mentioned Hikmaah. I have heard those whose opinion I trust among the people of knowledge of the Qur'aan say that Hikmaah means the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
three different versions.
O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly.
So Bro......ALLAH ayaan kugu dhaarshee........ What did the prophet leave for us according to your most authentic hadith?............Which one of the three reports is correct?
Sxb Anigu Kan ayaan maqlay kuwa kale ma maqal.Sxb the above stated xadiith ayaan maqlay kaasna ayaan raacaya ma garatay ..i would not say the three version one of them is right or or wrogn you should be asking culumada diinta ku takhasusay.
Sxb...I am not refusing words of Our Beloved Prophet SCWS.....but i refused lies of ahadith books about Our Beloved Prophet Mohammed SCWS.......
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Masha Allah Guud To Hear From u that u aren’t refusing the Rasuuluullah’s Words,Lakin mid ii kala cadee….Hilibka maydka ah ma cuno lakin maraqiisan caba…its Somali maahmah…I mean…sxb waxanad ku leedahay Rasuulki ilaahay wan raaca hadaladisa,but even one hadiith kama hayo the only ahadith an ka haysto waa kuwan khilaafka ka dhex dheliyey umada Nabi Muxammed CSW….sxb its hard for me to get your point the thing were are talking about is all about the writing dawn of the ahadiith from the prophe somaha…..how about the oral sayings of the prophetcsw.coz waxd tidhi ma aqbalayo qoraal means inaadan aqbalayn hadaladiisa oralka ah.
Sxb.......waad illowday ayaan filayaa Hadith kii oranayey........ Subaxdu waa 2 rakco Duhurku waa 4 casarku waa 4 maqrib waa 3 cishu waa 4........ bal soo qor.......mise waad wayday......lol.......
Lol…………Ilowshiyaha waxa ka horeeya,Sxb U Said u pray 5 times a day with the given rakaats but at the same time you do not have proof for ur prayers rakcat That doesn’t sound to me wax macquul ah.Horta adu soo ogow ka bacdi I waydi suaashaaso kale.

Mida kale SXB waxan ku waydiiyey rakcadaha la tukado iyo siday ukala horeyan Salada sida lagu xidhanayo iyo qaar kaloo badan ama xajjka sida loo gudanayo ama zakada sida loo bixinaya iyo qar kalo badan why didn’t u answer………..Mise u don’t find it yet.Keep the research and you get the time you need.
Mida kale Talo ayan ku haya,Sxb War badan buuxsho,less than 2 or 1 % of the muslim population ayad ledahay waysax san yihin miya…rest 98 wa khaldan yihiin miya…mida kale axaadiith ta qoladinaan imika soo baxday ka hor cid diidi jirtey lama arag waxa uun la isku haystey ma qorna mise waynu xifdina….xadithku ma saxsana mesha ma yaalin ..

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:03 pm

Ac.....Wr........Wb..........

Sxb......you are the most up sent minded person that I ever come across...... I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU SAID ABU HURAIRA WROTE THIS BOOK Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari........

Let me ask you again CLEARLY ......

Bro........ According to you Abu Huraira Wrote ahadith books from the Prophet SCWS.........

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( The Scripts of Abu Hurairah
Hasan ibn Amr reports that once:
Abu Hurairah took him to his home and showed him “many books” containing the ahadeeth of the Prophet. (Jaami’ Bayaan-ul-‘Ilm; Fath-ul-Baari)...)))

... if that is the Truth where are the books of Abhu Huraira????

Meeday buugtii Abu Hurayra rc????

According to you Amr ibn Hazm Wrote ahadith book from the Prophet SCWS..........

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( the hadeeth of the book of ‘Amr ibn Hazm, which contains laws on inheritance, sunnahs and diyaat (blood money); the hadeeth about writing down charity, and the minimum amounts at which zakaah becomes obligatory (nisaab), with which Abu Bakr sent Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) to Bahrain.)))

... if that is the Truth where IS the books of Amr ibn Hazm???

Where is the book of Amr ibn Hazm rc???

Meeyey buugii Amr ibn Hazm rc???

Bro .........IS THERE ANY AHADITH BOOKS WRITTEN BY THE COMPANION (SAXAABA) OF THE PRPHET SCWS..........IF YOU’RE ANSWER I YES.....WHERE ARE THESE BOOKS???

Remember...... according to you Prophet Mohammed SCWS allowed them to write........

And we both know that....their numbers were in hundreds of thousands and they had plenty of wealth. They could afford some ink, sheets or fragments of leather or wood, and some brain cells, for such an important DIKRI........ They would not leave it for a guys from far places, more than hundreds years later to collect hadiths in a land soaked with blood because of sectarian wars....... Besides, Companion of Prophet Muhammad SCWS there were many of unemployed around who would gladly volunteer to write for such an important DIKRI.............



by AYUUB Isaaq ((( Firstly war ma xadiithyo lumay baa jira ama la waayey..no way.as for wax ku milmi karaa…Wax ku milma na waala kala cadeyey daciif iyo saxeex ayaa look saaray ma garatay.))))

Sxb,,,,,,,,iskabadaa Axadith la waayeye waxay duulkaad raacsan tahay aamin sanyihiin in quraan dhumay oo la waayay........

Verses Equal to the Length of Surah Bara’ah (Thauba – chapter 9) -129 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.

Sahih Muslim - Chapter CCCXCI Book 5, Number 2286:

Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a Surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust."
And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not act upon" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).

The Arabic Hadith Sahih Muslim Serial No. 2466-

حَدَّثَنِى سُوَيْدُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِىُّ بْنُ مُسْهِرٍ عَنْ دَاوُدَ عَنْ أَبِى حَرْبِ بْنِ أَبِى الأَسْوَدِ عَنْ أَبِيهِ قَالَ بَعَثَ أَبُو مُوسَى الأَشْعَرِىُّ إِلَى قُرَّاءِ أَهْلِ الْبَصْرَةِ فَدَخَلَ عَلَيْهِ ثَلاَثُمِائَةِ رَجُلٍ قَدْ قَرَءُوا الْقُرْآنَ فَقَالَ أَنْتُمْ خِيَارُ أَهْلِ الْبَصْرَةِ وَقُرَّاؤُهُمْ فَاتْلُوهُ وَلاَ يَطُولَنَّ عَلَيْكُمُ الأَمَدُ فَتَقْسُوَ قُلُوبُكُمْ كَمَا قَسَتْ قُلُوبُ مَنْ كَانَ قَبْلَكُمْ
وَإِنَّا كُنَّا نَقْرَأُ سُورَةً كُنَّا نُشَبِّهُهَا فِى الطُّولِ وَالشِّدَّةِ بِبَرَاءَةَ فَأُنْسِيتُهَا غَيْرَ أَنِّى قَدْ حَفِظْتُ مِنْهَا لَوْ كَانَ لاِبْنِ آدَمَ وَادِيَانِ مِنْ مَالٍ لاَبْتَغَى وَادِياً ثَالِثاً وَلاَ يَمْلأُ جَوْفَ ابْنِ آدَمَ إِلاَّ التُّرَابُ .
وَكُنَّا نَقْرَأُ سُورَةً كُنَّا نُشَبِّهُهَا بِإِحْدَى الْمُسَبِّحَاتِ فَأُنْسِيتُهَا غَيْرَ أَنِّى حَفِظْتُ مِنْهَا ( يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لاَ تَفْعَلُونَ ) فَتُكْتَبُ شَهَادَةً فِى أَعْنَاقِكُمْ فَتُسْأَلُونَ عَنْهَا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ



By UkMan9 (((Sxb.......waad illowday ayaan filayaa Hadith kii oranayey........ Subaxdu waa 2 rakco Duhurku waa 4 casarku waa 4 maqrib waa 3 cishu waa 4........ bal soo qor.......mise waad wayday......lol.......)))

by AYUUB Isaaq ((( Lol…………Ilowshiyaha waxa ka horeeya,Sxb U Said u pray 5 times a day with the given rakaats but at the same time you do not have proof for ur prayers rakcat That doesn’t sound to me wax macquul ah.Horta adu soo ogow ka bacdi I waydi suaashaaso kale.)))

I Dare you bro........ to bring that Hadith....... oranayey........ Subaxdu waa 2 rakco......... Duhurku waa 4...... casarku waa 4 .......maqrib waa 3....... cishu waa 4....I know bro you can never find it any book anywhere what so ever..........

Bro if the Quran supports the Ahadith or not insha allah we will talk about some other time.......

Plzzzzzzzzzzz and Plzzzzzzzzzzzz and Plzzzzzz ANSWER the Qs and stop jumping around and stop hiding behind the bushes

Simple......... Asxaabtii book ahaditha waa qoreen waa kuwan........this book and that book etc... ama dheh wax book ahadith ah may qorin......... ama dheh way qoreen book ahaditha laakiin waa dhumeen...... just and the Qs.........

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Ureysoo » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:34 pm

UK...

I couldn't bother to read all the posts you made in this thread, but somehow I concluded that you claimed Hadith is not needed to clarify Quran?. If yes, then let me give you a direct answer.

Hadith complements Quran, and the reason why Allah sent his messengers upon people is to clarify the meanings of the holy books to them, and teach them how to pursue Allah’s commands. Therefore, Hadith (which is the words and teachings of the prophet “peace be upon him” Allah sent upon us) does complement the Quran, and it mentions what Allah cited in the Quran and gives instructions 2 us Muslims. As humans we have limited scope of understanding and it’s so hard for us to comprehend the meanings behind Allah’s divine words, thus, it was the prophet (peace upon him) duty to fulfil the gap and explain it further to us Muslims, through Hadiths.

Additionally, Shariah is = The Quran + the prophet's teachings (Hadith)....

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby UkMan9 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:08 am

Ac....Wr...Wb....

Ureysoo...........

Dear sister.........

Sheeko.......Oday Abgaal ah oo Moxog iyo Digir ka dhergey........caanana ka daba geeyey ..........isagoo aanay ka qasnayn ayuu meel gogol dhigtay inuu ku seexdo..... markii indhaha is geshay ayaa KANEECO ku ciday NUUUUU NUUUUUU Intuu gacanta dhegaha ku huftay ayuu ku yiri..... YAAYA TAHOOY MINAAD WAR RABTID DAAROOD AAWAR BADANE MA AADIDOO.......lol......

Hadda .........if you read it..... you will gain knowledge........but if you dont bother ....then all you want is MURAN...... Marka Gacalo MA AADIDOO MEELAHA MURANKA IYO CAYDU KA SOCOTO........

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Ureysoo » Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:09 pm

Again, I couldn't bother to read all your yapping on about “Odaga Abgaal Oo La Kulmay Kan Daroodka“, Lol. Pardon me, but I think that's beside the point.

Nevertheless, I think am quite familiar with what am discussing, and I gave you a clear-cut answers to all Qs. It’s not compulsory for me to read all the irrelevant posts you made in relation to this issue, yet I retorted to the main Q you asked (alongside, I think you misunderstood a lot of verses and explained some to your likings)....

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Re: Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

Postby Cali_Gaab » Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:14 pm

La xowla wa laa quwatta ilaa bilaah, Ureysoo oo diinta ka hadlaysa :lol:


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