Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

[Mad May]

What's this got to do with Puntland?

[UkMan9]

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Ureysoo...........

Adeer orodoo Cidiyahaaga iska xinayso ....... Sheekadii yarayd aan soo qoray ayaad fahmi waysay .....what else can you understand.......

Since when did i say Oday Abgaal ah Ayaa la kulmay kan Daarood.......

and besides i dont think that u r familiar with FARAHAAAGA.......for the sake of this debate....plzzz Anws this Qs........

Imisa farood ayaad leedahay lugaha iyo gacmaha farahooda markii aad TIRISO????.....

If you answr that Qs..........then i will give you a very good debate........hadaad diido that means waxaa tahay FULAYAD and lama doodo dadka aan ka baqa jawaabaha.....

[UkMan9]

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My fellow Somalians if I ask you.........do you trust Allah? .......You will say YES .....

If that is the truth from your heart ..........why do you argue that the Quran does not cover all the details one may need to live an Islamic way of life.....

And why do you argue that the Quran is difficult to understand, ........... and therefore we need to refer to the Ahadiths for explanation or clarification.......

And make fun of it ..........if the the Quran is Complete and fully detailed........why we cannot find this and that


When Allah said.........Quran is complete and fully detailed.......


(I choosed every verse in to three different translation books...)


[6:114] اَفَغَيْرَ اللّٰهِ اَبْتَغِىْ حَكَمًا وَّهُوَ الَّذِىْۤ اَنْزَلَ اِلَيْكُمُ الْـكِتٰبَ مُفَصَّلاً‌ ؕ وَالَّذِيْنَ اٰتَيْنٰهُمُ الْـكِتٰبَ يَعْلَمُوْنَ اَنَّهٗ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَـقِّ‌ فَلَا تَكُوْنَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِيْنَ‏

[6:114] Shall I seek for judge other than Allah, when He it is Who has sent down to you the Book, clearly explained? And those to whom We gave the Book know that it has been sent down from thy Lord with truth; so be thou not of those who doubt.

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

[6:114] Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.


[6:115] وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ صِدْقًا وَّعَدْلاً‌ ؕ لَا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمٰتِهٖ‌ۚ وَهُوَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ‏

[6:115] And the word of thy Lord has been fulfilled in truth and justice. None can change His words; and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.

[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

[6:115] The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.

[16:89] وَيَوْمَ نَـبْعَثُ فِىْ كُلِّ اُمَّةٍ شَهِيْدًا عَلَيْهِمْ مِّنْ اَنْفُسِهِمْ‌ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ شَهِيْدًا عَلٰى هٰٓؤُلَۤاءِ‌ؕ وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْـكِتٰبَ تِبْيَانًا لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّ هُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً وَّبُشْرٰى لِلْمُسْلِمِيْنَ‏

[16:90] And remember the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from amongst themselves, and We will bring thee as a witness against these. And We have sent down to thee the Book to explain everything, and a guidance, and a mercy, and glad tidings to those who submit to God.

[16:89] The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.

[16:89] One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims.


[12:111] لَـقَدْ كَانَ فِىْ قَصَصِهِمْ عِبْرَةٌ لِّاُولِى الْاَلْبَابِ‌ؕ مَا كَانَ حَدِيْثًا يُّفْتَرٰى وَلٰـكِنْ تَصْدِيْقَ الَّذِىْ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيْلَ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّهُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً لِّـقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ‏

[12:112] Assuredly, in their narrative is a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a thing that has been forged, but a fulfilment of that which is before it and a detailed exposition of all things, and a guidance and a mercy to a people who believe.

[12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.

[12:111] There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.


Why do you contend that the Quran is difficult to understand???.....

When Allah said ......... Quran is easy to learn .. understand.........


[54:17] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ

[54:22] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ

[54:32] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ

[54:40] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] And, indeed, We have made the Qur’an easy to understand and to remember. But is there anyone who would receive admonition?

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

And why did you get offended when someone says Quran is complete and fully detailed and make mockery of the Quran..........

And why you always come against Allah by saying........... Quran is not complete and noy fully detailed .......Quran needs Ahadith to explain and compliment it???........

Why do we have so many sectors (mahdabado)........ when Allah condemn the sectors and command us to be one and hold the rob of Allah (Quran)

Allah Said..........

[6:159] اِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ فَرَّقُوْا دِيْنَهُمْ وَكَانُوْا شِيَـعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِىْ شَىْءٍ‌ؕ اِنَّمَاۤ اَمْرُهُمْ اِلَى اللّٰهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوْا يَفْعَلُوْنَ‏

[6:159] As for those who split up their religion and became divided into sects, thou hast no concern at all with them. Surely their case will come before Allah, then will He inform them of what they used to do.

[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.

[6:159] As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

Allah said......

[3:103] وَاعْتَصِمُوْا بِحَبْلِ اللّٰهِ جَمِيْعًا وَّلَا تَفَرَّقُوْا‌ وَاذْكُرُوْا نِعْمَتَ اللّٰهِ عَلَيْكُمْ اِذْ كُنْتُمْ اَعْدَآءً فَاَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوْبِكُمْ فَاَصْبَحْتُمْ بِنِعْمَتِهٖۤ اِخْوَانًاۚ وَكُنْتُمْ عَلٰى شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَاَنْقَذَكُمْ مِّنْهَا‌ؕ كَذٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللّٰهُ لَـكُمْ اٰيٰتِهٖ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُوْنَ‏


[3:104] And hold fast, all together, by the rope of Allah and be not divided; and remember the favour of Allah which He bestowed upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts in love, so that by His grace you became as brothers; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah explain to you His commandments that you may be guided.


[3:103] You shall hold fast to the rope of GOD, all of you, and do not be divided. Recall GOD's blessings upon you - you used to be enemies and He reconciled your hearts. By His grace, you became brethren. You were at the brink of a pit of fire, and He saved you therefrom. GOD thus explains His revelations for you, that you may be guided.


[3:103] And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.



Those who make fun of the Quran Allah said they will be humiliating penalty........


[31:6] وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَنْ يَّشْتَرِىْ لَهْوَ الْحَدِيْثِ لِيُضِلَّ عَنْ سَبِيْلِ اللّٰهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ‌ۖ وَّيَتَّخِذَهَا هُزُوًا ‌ؕ اُولٰٓٮِٕكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُّهِيْنٌ‏

[31:6] And of men is he who takes baseless Hadith in exchange for guidance to lead men astray from the path of Allah, without knowledge, and to make fun of it. For such there will be humiliating punishment.

[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[31:6] But there are, among men, those who purchase baseless Hadith, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.



[32:22] وَمَنْ اَظْلَمُ مِمَّنْ ذُكِّرَ بِاٰيٰتِ رَبِّهٖ ثُمَّ اَعْرَضَ عَنْهَا‌ؕ اِنَّا مِنَ الْمُجْرِمِيْنَ مُنْتَقِمُوْنَ‏

[32:22] And who does greater wrong than he who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord and then turns away from them? We will surely punish the guilty.

[32:22] Who is more evil than one who is reminded of these revelations of his Lord, then insists upon disregarding them? We will certainly punish the guilty.

[32:22] And who does more wrong than one to whom are recited the Signs of his Lord, and who then turns away therefrom? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) Retribution.

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[Narcissistic]

What's this got to do with Puntland?

Maybe the think they know the deen more

[abdalla11]

THE GOAT THAT EATS UP THE QURANIC VERSE

Narrated Aisha 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept
under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."

Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)

Caliph Omar states: “People will arise in the future who will deny the existence of rajm. These people will be religious apostates. Had I not feared the people’s allegation that Omar was making additions to the Quran, I would have introduced the rajm verse in the Quran”

(Bukhari, Muslim Hudud, Abu Davud).

According to the mentality of these hadiths, Omar feared public censure more than Allah. !!!!!!!!!

Sxb, i think that i was the first person to ask you without the axadiith we wouldn´t know how to pray you still didn´t answer my question. I am still waiting.. The answer you gave to Ayuub Isaaq doesn't satisfy me, it is not clear.

I have an another question, i´ve, as you can see, qouted you You mentioned that Cumar feared public censure more than Allaah and you seemed surprised, wether he did or not is the question. What i want to know is how do you know Cumar and his merits? Where is the high position of Cumar (by name) mentioned in the Qur´aan?

[Ureysoo]

Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity, Walle.

If you read my comments in my previous post, you’ll stumble upon the phrase “I couldn’t bother to read all your yapping on about Odaga Abgaal La Kulmay Kan Daroodka” -- which actually shows I quickly scanned through the lines, and skipped the rest. I still think it’s beside the point, and if you feel like adding stories and examples to your arguments. Make sure to add relevant ones to spice up your flawed line of reasoning, Lol. Not that it will make sense, given that, your whole argument is baseless, Lol.

As for your silly Q -- “Trivial Qs, gets nothing but a Silly Response”. Thus, why don’t you count it all up, and tell me the exact number. Nin Ba Hore Oo Dhahay, “Laxda Meeshe Is Dhigto Ba Lugu Qala”, Adna Waxaad Farahaaga Kuso Qortay Baad Isku Dishay, Lol.

Additionally, it seems like you have no case at all, but want to quarrel 4 the sake of it. I gave you a crystal-clear responses in my 1st post in this thread. If you have the mental-capacity to refute it, then do so, Lol....

Cali-Midget...

Looool, Ninyahow Dib Intaad Isku Fiirisid Isla Yaab. Intaad Isku Deysid Wax Kasta Inaad Kaftan So Gelisid, Baad Meel Baas Ku Dhamaneeysa, Wacadalle...

Abdalla...

It's not only about praying and fasting (other compulsory Islamic duties), a lot of info. mentioned in the Quran can not be interpreted without the prophet (peace be upon him) guidance in the Hadiths. That’s the main reason why Allah chose a prophet among us, and sent his Holy book upon him -- so, he can clarify it further, and call people 2 submit to Allah.

[abdalla11]

Abdalla...

It's not only about praying and fasting (other compulsory Islamic duties), a lot of info. mentioned in the Quran can not be interpreted without the prophet (peace be upon him) guidance in the Hadiths. That’s the main reason why Allah chose a prophet among us, and sent his Holy book upon him -- so, he can clarify it further, and call people 2 submit to Allah.

sax, but i still have trouble realizing ureysoo as wadaad

[UkMan9]

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abdalla11..........

Sxb.......... My answer about the Ritual prayer from The Word of ALLAH............Time of Each Prayer, Things to say in the Prayer Is all there ............but unfortunately brother the word of ALLAH (swtc) does not satisfy you.....However if there another source better than the word of ALLAH(swtc).....Please fetch it............

I dare you to bring hadith stating that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SCWS) said........fajri is 2, duhur is 4, asar is 4, maqrib is 3 and isha is 4.......

Sxb........... About Omar Bin Khattab whether he did or not.........That is a very Good Question brother ........According to the history of Omar it is very hard to believe that he did such a thing like that .............and me as ukman9 I don’t believe that at all........ But unfortunately according to your traditional scholars (sheikhs) said he did such........

Sxb......Muhammad's time...... if the holly Quran mentions by name except from the names below then bro bring it.


Muhammad (4 times: Q 3:144, 33:40, 47:2, 48:29, Ahmad 61:6 ) Zayd (* Q 33:37) Abu Lahab (* Q 111:1)


Ureysoo...........

Dear Sis.............

ALLAH(swtc) Said..............


[54:17] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ

[54:22] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ

[54:32] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ

[54:40] وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْاٰنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُّدَّكِرٍ


[54:17, 22, 32, 40] And, indeed, We have made the Qur’an easy to understand and to remember. But is there anyone who would receive admonition?

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?


And You Said.........


((((As humans we have limited scope of understanding and it’s so hard for us to comprehend the meanings behind Allah’s divine words, thus, it was the prophet (peace upon him) duty to fulfil the gap and explain it further to us Muslims, through Hadiths.)))


So Dear Sister are you better than ALLAH......ALLAH said it is easy to understand and you said it is so hard for us to comprehend (understand)!!!!!..........


Sister.......About the scanning bit looool.......... I guess it is about time to change the scanner of your brain because ........it ........does.......... not .......scan..........Goooooooooooood............................ I.............DID........NOT.......MENTION......ODAY ABGAAL LA KULMAY ODAY DAAROOD........

[abdalla11]

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abdalla11..........

Sxb.......... My answer about the Ritual prayer from The Word of ALLAH............Time of Each Prayer, Things to say in the Prayer Is all there ............but unfortunately brother the word of ALLAH (swtc) does not satisfy you.....However if there another source better than the word of ALLAH(swtc).....Please fetch it............

I dare you to bring hadith stating that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SCWS) said........fajri is 2, duhur is 4, asar is 4, maqrib is 3 and isha is 4.......

Sxb........... About Omar Bin Khattab whether he did or not.........That is a very Good Question brother ........According to the history of Omar it is very hard to believe that he did such a thing like that .............and me as ukman9 I don’t believe that at all........ But unfortunately according to your traditional scholars (sheikhs) said he did such........

Sxb......Muhammad's time...... if the holly Quran mentions by name except from the names below then bro bring it.


Muhammad (4 times: Q 3:144, 33:40, 47:2, 48:29, Ahmad 61:6 ) Zayd (* Q 33:37) Abu Lahab (* Q 111:1)

You are very good in avoidng the questions, you should consider going into politics.

I asked you, since you don't accept axadiith, how would you know about the noble merits of Cumar ibn khattaab (you even know his last name)? Where is he mentioned by name in the Qur'aan?

About the prayers i asked you a question you responded with a question, that's not the way to answer a question

[UkMan9]

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Sxb...........use your brain instead of your................ lool

I did answer...... Omar’s name not mention in the Quran...... Time of Prophet Mohammad scwc ......Quran mention by name only 4...... Our Beloved Prophet (Mohammad, Ahmed) His Adopted son (Zayd) and his Uncle (Abu Lahab).......

Bro........ There is something call HISTORY....lol..........

Sxb....... Taariikhda ay Qoreen Sunniyiintu Thay talked about Omar highly .......braveness, brainpower, righteousness, etc........... they also said.....Satan(shaydaan) run away from Omar.....

The Question is bro if all that they said about Omar is true ......why do they believe this hadith.......

Volume 9. Sahihul Bukhari
BOOK 89 – THE BOOK OF JUDGMENTS - CHAPTER 21-
PAGES 212-213 – BETWEEN HADITHES Nos. 281 and 282
Umar added, “If I were not afraid of the fact that people may say that ‘Umar has added to the Quran extra (verses), I would have written the Verse Ar-Rajm (stoning to death of married adulterers) with my own hands.

My answer about the Ritual prayer from The Word of ALLAH............Time of Each Prayer, Things to say in the Prayer Is all there ............but unfortunately brother the word of ALLAH (SWTC) does not satisfy you................ However if there is another source better than the word of ALLAH (swtc).....Please fetch it............
Does that sound Question against question.........

NB..............bro....... I dare you to bring hadith stating that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SCWS) said........fajri is 2, duhur is 4, asar is 4, maqrib is 3 and isha is 4.......

[UkMan9]

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My fellow Somalians.......... those who believe Quran is not sufficient and also believe that the Hadith is divine (wahyi) from ALLAH and Bukhari, Muslim are the best books of Ahadiths

Sahih al Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 468:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar bin Al-Khatttab, the Prophet said, "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said, "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us." The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while some of them said what 'Umar said. When they made much noise and differed greatly before the Prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their difference and noise prevented Allah's Apostle from writing that writing for them.


Sahih Muslim Book 013, Number 4016

Ibn Abbas reported:

When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was about to leave this world, there were persons (around him) in his house, 'Umar b. al-Kbattab being one of them. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) is deeply afflicted with pain. You have the Qur'an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us. Those who were present in the house differed. Some of them said: Bring him (the writing material) so that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) may write a document for you and you would never go astray after him. And some among them said what 'Umar had (already) said. When they indulged in nonsense and began to dispute in the presence of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), he said: Get up (and go away) 'Ubaidullah said: Ibn Abbas used to say: There was a heavy loss, indeed a heavy loss, that, due to their dispute and noise. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) could not write (or dictate) the document for them.


If your argument based on that the Quran is not enough is right.......... why Omar said Book of ALLAH is sufficient???!!!

And if the Ahadiths are divine why the people in the house differed and disputed???!!
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[abdalla11]

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Bro........ There is something call HISTORY....lol..........

Sxb....... Taariikhda ay Qoreen Sunniyiintu Thay talked about Omar highly .......braveness, brainpower, righteousness, etc........... they also said.....Satan(shaydaan) run away from Omar.....

So you accept some and reject some? If you say i reject them all, then don't use 'our' axadiis. Without the axadiis you wouldn't know the merits of the saxaaba and their names, so in order to know them you have to believe in the axadiis or you reject the axadiis.

As others said we need the axadiis to make things clear for us. The qur'aan is very general while the axadiis are mostly specific, the axadiis explain the qur'aan.

Allaah says in Aali cimraan:

7. It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'ân). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabarî).

Allaah warned us from those who seek fitnah that they hold on the ayaat that are 'mutashaabihaat' ( the ayaat that have different meanings) while they neglect the ayaat that are muxkam(they can only have one meaning). You hold on one word to explain the whole religion.. The word that corrupted your religion is fasala or mufassal which means making a distinction, it doesn't mean fully detailed us you think. If it was fully detailed Allaah would describe the function of the Salaah. The ayah i showed you indicates that not all of the Qur'aan is clear and needs explanation.

As the prophet warned us from using the qur'aan against each other, i shall withdraw from this pointless discussion. We are not allowed to refute some ayaat by other ayaat. It is up to you to accept the Xaqq or to reject it. may allaah guide us all

[UkMan9]

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Bro I don’t think you have a brain at all......even if you have tiny bit of a brain you are not using it.......maybe in the case of understanding ............... you use some other part of your body....or maybe you are not capable of understanding.........

According to Your Sunni Scholars (Culumaa) They talked about Omar highly .......braveness, brainpower, righteousness, etc........... they also said.....Satan (shaydaan) run away from Omar..... and he never afraid anyone Except Allah and then they said.........

Volume 9. Sahihul Bukhari
BOOK 89 – THE BOOK OF JUDGMENTS - CHAPTER 21-
PAGES 212-213 – BETWEEN HADITHES Nos. 281 and 282
Umar added, “If I were not afraid of the fact that people may say that ‘Umar has added to the Quran extra (verses), I would have written the Verse Ar-Rajm (stoning to death of married adulterers) with my own hands.

Is it so hard to understand that the Sunni scholars contradict themselves ......once he was a brave man never scared anyone but ALLAH .........then he was afraid what people may say........

Bro ....tell me ........how can I believe...... yes he was brave no he was afraid what people may say.............
Sxb haddii book ta ay qoraan culamadaadu waxii ku qornaa wax lagaa waydiiyo waa inaad sharaxdaa ee maaha inaad sidii wax falan ama aan maskaxba lagu ogayn la soo boodo qaybna waad rumaysanayaa qaybna waad ka tagaysaa....... maxaan rumayaa ama beeniyaa iyagii ayaaba iska hor imanayee...........

In fact the Verse from the Quran that you posted here is supporting my argument which is everything we need is entirely clear, such as commandment, obligatory duties ( ritual prayer fasting, zakat, hajj) and legal laws (punishment of thieves, adulterers, murderer etc).......but unfortunately your eyes cannot see your ears cannot hear and your brain cannot understand...........
As the verses not entirely clear............ Are you telling us Ahadiths explains those verses which Allah said none knows its hidden meanings except ALLAH swtc.......

if your answer is yes then you are one of ...............those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings

About the verse you said it doesn't mean fully detailed us you think...let us see what different Sunni translators ..................

أَفَغَيۡرَ ٱللَّهِ أَبۡتَغِى حَكَمً۬ا وَهُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ إِلَيۡڪُمُ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ مُفَصَّلاً۬‌ۚ وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَاتَيۡنَـٰهُمُ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ يَعۡلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ ۥ مُنَزَّلٌ۬ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ‌ۖ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلۡمُمۡتَرِينَ

Dr Mohsin Khan

[6:114] [Say (O Muhammad SAW)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allâh while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (the Qur'ân), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.

Pickthal

[6:114] Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers.

Maulvi Sher Ali

[6:114] Shall I seek for judge other than Allah, when He it is Who has sent down to you the Book, clearly explained? And those to whom We gave the Book know that it has been sent down from thy Lord with truth; so be thou not of those who doubt.


Yusuf Ali

[6:114] Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.


Mohsin.........................................................EXPLAINED IN DETAILS

Pichthal.......................................................FULLY EXPLAINED

Maulvi........................................................CLEARLY EXPLAINED

Yusuf.........................................................EXPLAINED IN DETAILS


Bro can you see from their translation anyone who used the word DISTINCTION

Bro............What about these bellow verses



[16:89] وَيَوْمَ نَـبْعَثُ فِىْ كُلِّ اُمَّةٍ شَهِيْدًا عَلَيْهِمْ مِّنْ اَنْفُسِهِمْ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ شَهِيْدًا عَلٰى هٰٓؤُلَۤاءِ‌ؕ وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْـكِتٰبَ تِبْيَانًا لِّـكُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّ هُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً وَّبُشْرٰى لِلْمُسْلِمِيْنَ‏


[16:90] And remember the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from amongst themselves, and We will bring thee as a witness against these. And We have sent down to thee the Book to explain everything, and a guidance, and a mercy, and glad tidings to those who submit to God.


[12:111] لَـقَدْ كَانَ فِىْ قَصَصِهِمْ عِبْرَةٌ لِّاُولِى الْاَلْبَابِ‌ؕ مَا كَانَ حَدِيْثًا يُّفْتَرٰى وَلٰـكِنْ تَصْدِيْقَ الَّذِىْ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيْلَ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ وَّهُدًى وَّرَحْمَةً لِّـقَوْمٍ يُّؤْمِنُوْنَ‏

[12:112] Assuredly, in their narrative is a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a thing that has been forged, but a fulfilment of that which is before it and a detailed exposition of all things, and a guidance and a mercy to a people who believe............




.................................................................EXPLAIN EVERY THING


..............................................................DETAILED EXPOSITION OF ALL THINGS


Bro ..........why......are........fighting against ALLAH.......... BECAUSE ALLAH SAID FULLY DETAILED..........EXPLAIN EVERY THING .........DETAILED EXPOSITION ALL THINGS.........BUT YOU AND THOSE WHO HAVE THE SAME IDEOLOGY............. SAID..... NOT DETAILED




Bro.......about the part you said......... As the prophet warned us from using the qur'aan against each other..........

Don’t lie About Prophet Mohammad scws .......when there is no contradiction in the Quran how can we use Quran against Quran...........


أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ ٱلۡقُرۡءَانَ‌ۚ وَلَوۡ كَانَ مِنۡ عِندِ غَيۡرِ ٱللَّهِ لَوَجَدُواْ فِيهِ ٱخۡتِلَـٰفً۬ا ڪَثِيرً۬ا (٨٢


(4:82)Do they not then consider the Qur'ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein many contradictions

Bro.....about the part you said...... I shall withdraw from this pointless discussion....

Allah Said................


وَإِذَا قَرَأۡتَ ٱلۡقُرۡءَانَ جَعَلۡنَا بَيۡنَكَ وَبَيۡنَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱلۡأَخِرَةِ حِجَابً۬ا مَّسۡتُورً۬ا (٤٥) وَجَعَلۡنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِہِمۡ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفۡقَهُوهُ وَفِىٓ ءَاذَانِہِمۡ وَقۡرً۬ا‌ۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرۡتَ رَبَّكَ فِى ٱلۡقُرۡءَانِ وَحۡدَهُ ۥ وَلَّوۡاْ عَلَىٰٓ أَدۡبَـٰرِهِمۡ نُفُورً۬ا

(17:45-46) And when thou recitest the Qur'an we place between thee and those who believe not in the Hereafter a hidden barrier; (45) And We place upon their hearts veils lest they should understand it, and in their ears a deafness; and when thou makest mention of thy Lord alone in the Qur'an, they turn their backs in aversion. (46

(17:45-46) "When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier. (45)And we place shields on their hearts, to prevent them from understanding Quran, and deafness in their ears. Consequently, when you preach your Lord IN THE QURAN ALONE they run away in aversion." (46)

NB........If you withdraw....... i honest dont care since you were not nswring any Question..........goodbyee and May ALLAH GUIDE YOU TO THE RIGHT PATH
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[Ureysoo]

UK....

Do not add your own thoughts to the Quran, which I think is an innovation-act (Bid’a). The correct translation of the verse (54:17) is -- “And in truth We have made the Qur’an easy to remember, but is there any that remembered?”. It’s quite apparent, that remembering a verse and comprehending the meaning of that specific verse are two distinguishable matters. If you know Arabic, or understand it to a certain degree, then you would know that the word “Dikir” means remembrance. You can pick up any Arabic-English dictionary and look it up.

As I stated previously, you misunderstood certain verses and tried to clarify it 2 your likings. Therefore, all the Qs and insights I brought up previously, still applies brother. I would like you to refute it.....

[UkMan9]

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Uraysoo...........

Dear sister let me remind you what Allah said about those who twist the Quran with their tongue in order to deceive.................

( 3:78) "Among them is a group who distort the Book with their tongues so that you think it is from the Book when it is not from the Book. They say, 'it is from Allah', but it is not from Allah. They tell a lie against Allah and they know it."

These translations below are three different scholars..............

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] And, indeed, We have made the Qur’an easy to understand and to remember. But is there anyone who would receive admonition?

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?

[54:17, 22, 32, 40] And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

And let me add another translation from one of the greatest SUNNI scholars IBNU KATHIR........


[وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْءَانَ لِلذِّكْرِ]

54:17 (And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember); meaning, `We have made the Qur'an easy to recite and comprehend for those who seek these traits, to remind mankind,'

[فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ]

(then is there any that will remember), meaning, `is there anyone who will remember through this Qur'an, which We made easy to memorize and easy to understand' Muhammad bin Ka`b Al-Qurazi commented on this Ayah, "Is there anyone who will avoid evil''

http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=54&tid=51329

Dear sis..........according to you all those scholars misunderstood certain verses and tried to clarify it to their likings..................

Fortunately where they all failed ..........Uraysoo succeed........lol lol lol

NB.......Uraysoo is the person who does not know how to count her fingers..........lol