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Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:29 am
by Nanees
:lol: so long as you continue to intermix on internet forums, I cant take you serious when you say the sin of intermixing is so great you've got to stop going to school. GL with that though.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:33 am
by grandpakhalif
A niqabi for example has covered herself very well, and will not incite men nor shall she incur any sins by men looking upon her. While an evil faasiqa who dresses in a miniskirt and tanktop, shall not only receive a sin for her immodesty but for causing fitnah upon the earth.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:34 am
by Nanees
A niqabi for example has covered herself very well, and will not incite men nor shall she incur any sins by men looking upon her. While an evil faasiqa who dresses in a miniskirt and tanktop, shall not only receive a sin for her immodesty but for causing fitnah upon the earth.
So any woman who is not a niqaabi who a man gazes upon will recieve a portion of his sin for his immodesty?

How about for brothers? If a sister is checking out a guy whose not decked out in full islamic gear than does he get a portion of his sin?

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:39 am
by grandpakhalif
:lol: :lol: Not only niqabi but whichever sisters fulfills the requirement of Allah then she is safe from this.


No this doesn't apply for brothers except if hes running around shirtless or naekd :lol:

Allah created men and women different for sexual desire. Yo uand I both know women are not as sick as men :lol: Why do you think theres female slaves you can have sex with allowed and not men. :lol:

What a silly question

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:43 am
by fighter
Nanees,

The dude is angry cause he prolly didn't get admitted to Ryerson or York and all the Somalis in the neighborhood did. Don't waste your breath on this clown.

As for you Grandpa, stop taking the TTC or whatever system u use to get to your cult gatherings. Public transportation is FULL of women and you have sit beside women at least ONCE a day

And go to Somalia and try telling your people to follow the Wahabbi lifestyle and then tell me how they respond to your ludicrous demand. You'll get ur balls chopped off.

Also try telling our women to stop doing business since men r around. One of our women is the owner of the largest mall in east africa and is a millionaire thanks to her business-minded ways. Under ur beliefs, she should be in a house and be treated like a dog instead of hiring thousands of ppl so they can feed their families right??? Every somali businesswomen is more productive in society than your wahabbi ass and ur wahabbi/salafi losers who r obviously afraid of women. Our women r doing big things while u want them to be at home, pregnant and in the kitchen doing nothing but sexually please their men and only do so.

Women r everywhere and just cause u happen to be seated 5 meters away from them doesn't make it intermixing.

Women, especially somali women, will not stop and follow ur barbaric wahabi crap. Stick ur wahabi or salafi garbage and shove it up ur ass. We follow Islam, not Wahabism. Just cause u didn't get accepted to university doesn't mean u can spread us interpretations of some scholars who obviously hate women

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:43 am
by Nanees
:lol: :lol: Not only niqabi but whichever sisters fulfills the requirement of Allah then she is safe from this.


No this doesn't apply for brothers except if hes running around shirtless or naekd :lol:

Allah created men and women different for sexual desire. Yo uand I both know women are not as sick as men :lol: Why do you think theres female slaves you can have sex with allowed and not men. :lol:

What a silly question

please show me the proof of this blatant hypocrisy :lol:

and women and men both have libidos, at some points of the monthly cycle women have an increased sexual desire than the average male. This is a myth and a stupid one at that.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:46 am
by Nanees
Nanees,

The dude is angry cause he prolly didn't get admitted to Ryerson or York and all the Somalis in the neighborhood did. Don't waste your breath on this clown.

As for you Grandpa, stop taking the TTC or whatever system u use to get to your cult gatherings. Public transportation is FULL of women and you have sit beside women at least ONCE a day

And go to Somalia and try telling your people to follow the Wahabbi lifestyle and then tell me how they respond to your ludicrous demand. You'll get ur balls chopped off.

Also try telling our women to stop doing business since men r around. One of our women is the owner of the largest mall in east africa and is a millionaire thanks to her business-minded ways. Under ur beliefs, she should be in a house and be treated like a dog instead of hiring thousands of ppl so they can feed their families right??? Every somali businesswomen is more productive in society than your wahabbi ass and ur wahabbi/salafi losers who r obviously afraid of women. Our women r doing big things while u want them to be at home, pregnant and in the kitchen doing nothing but sexually please their men and only do so.

Women r everywhere and just cause u happen to be seated 5 meters away from them doesn't make it intermixing.

Women, especially somali women, will not stop and follow ur barbaric wahabi crap. Stick ur wahabi or salafi garbage and shove it up ur ass. We follow Islam, not Wahabism. Just cause u didn't get accepted to university doesn't mean u can spread us interpretations of some scholars who obviously hate women

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:52 am
by grandpakhalif
Fighter, your on my ignore list.\

Nanees, I will bring you the Noble Shaykhs statement regarding this:
This was taken from http://www.assalafi.com

The Obligation of believing that there are differences between the man and the woman

By the Noble Shaikh Bakr bin Abdullah Abu Zayd
Member of the Permanent Committe of Muftees in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

Translated by Abu Sumayyah Aqeel Walker

The physical, figurative and legislative (i.e. regarding religous laws) differences between the man and the woman are confirmed by divine preordainment, the texts of the Islamic religious sources, what can be obviously perceived, and the intellect.
This can be clarified as follows: That Allaah - far removed is He from imperfections - created the man and the woman as two separate halves for the human species; male and female. Allaah said: "And that verily He (Allaah) created the two mates, the male and the female." (An-Najm:45)
They both share in the establisment of this existence, each according to what is particular to his or her gender. They also both share in the establishment of this existence in regards to the matter of making worship for Allaah, the Most High. In this matter there is no difference between the men and the woman in the generality of the religion of Islaam. This means that there is no difference between them in the matter of belief in At-Tawheed (Allaah's uniqueness and His right to be worshiped alone), in Al-I'tiqaad (the creed of beliefs that are incumbent upon every Muslim), in the realities of Al-Eemaan (faith), in submitting one's face to Allaah, the Most High, in the matters of reward and punishment, in the generality of encouraging to do good and discouraging from committing evils, and in the matter of the virtuous acts. There is also no difference between the two sexes in the generality of legislation in regards to rights and obligations comprehensively. Allaah says what means:
"And I did not create the Jinns and human beings, except (for the purpose) that they worship Me." (Ath-Thaariyyaat:56)
And He says what means:
"Whoever works a righteous deed, whether he is a male or a female, while he (or she) is a believer, then We will give him a life that is good." (An-Nahl:97)
And He said what means:
"And whoever does righteous deeds, whether he is a male or a female, while he (or she) is a believer, then these people will enter the Paradise and they will not be dealt with unjustly in the least amount." (An-Nisaa':124)
However, it is according to Allaah's preordainment and His decree that the male is not like the female in the manner of his physical creation, his appearance and his make up. In the masculine gender there is a type of perfection in his creation, and natural strength. The female is less complete than the male in her creation, her physical strength and natural make up. This is due to what she experiences of menstruation, pregnancy, breastfeeding, taking care of the affairs of the breastfeeding child, and rearing the future generation of the Ummah (the Muslim nation). For this reason the female was created from the rib of Aadam ('alayhis-salaam). Thus, she is a part of him (the man), and she follows him, and is to be obedient to him. The man has been entrusted with looking after her affairs, protecting her and spending (his wealth) on her and on whatever they may have of children. From the results of this difference in their creation are the following: the difference between them in strength, in physical abilities, in intelligence, in their thinking, in their gentleness, in their goals and objectives, and in their actions and functions. And in what differences these things contain is sufficient (as a proof), let alone if we add to that what the scholars of modern medicine have ascertained of amazing conclusions regarding the differences in creation between the two sexes.
A large portion of the laws of the Islamic legislation are connected to these two types of differences (i.e. the differences in their physical creation, and in their responsibilities). Thus, with the profound wisdom of Allaah, the All Knowing, the All Wise, these two differences necessitate the difference, the differing degrees and difference in virtue between the man and the woman in some of the laws of the Islamic legislation. They also necessitate differences in the important matters and duties that are appropriate for each of them in his creation, his make up, his abilities and his performance of functions. These differences affect what is particular to each of the sexes in his or her arena of human life, so that the life can be complete, and so that each of them can establish that which is important to him in life.
Thus, Allaah specified certain laws for the men, and they are laws which are appropriate for their creation, their make up, their build, the particular characteristics of their build, their qualifications, what is sufficient for them in regards to their performing necessary duties, their patience, their tolerance, their sobriety, and their duties outide of the home, and their effort and spending upon those who live in the home.
Allaah has also specified certain laws for the women, which are appropriate for their creation, their make up, their build, their particular characteristics, their qualifications, their duties, their weakness in patience and tolerance, their general duties and important functions in the home, their taking care of the affairs of the home and their rearing of those who live in the home of the future generation of the Ummah (Muslim nation).
Allaah mentioned the statement of the woman of 'Imraan when she said:
"And the male is not like the female." (Aal 'Imraan:36)

Glory be unto Him, Who possesses the creation, the command, the judgement and the legislation.
"Is it not that the creation and command belong to Him (Allaah)? Blessed be Allaah, the Lord of all the worlds (all that exists)." (Al-A'raaf:54)
Therefore, this is what Allaah wants in the existence and the decree regarding the creation, the make up of things and those things that He has given. This is also what Allaah wants in the affairs of religious legislation regarding the command, the judgement and the legislation. Thus, both of these two aspects of Allaah's desire have met for the benefits of the creatures (i.e. humanity) and the establishment and maintaining of the existence. This is also beneficial for the organization of the individual's life, the household , the community, and the society of humanity.
This (which follows here) is a portion of what has been made specific for each of the two sexes:
Among the laws that are specific to men:
That they are the maintainers who are in charge of the homes by protecting, looking after, and safeguarding the virtues of the family members, and preventing any vices, and defending the sacredness of the family from offenders, and they are the maintainers and protectors of the homes along with those who live in them by earning wealth and spending upon the family members.
Allaah, the Most High, said:
"The men are the maintainers and protectors over the women due to what Allaah has favored one of them (the men) over the other (the women), and due to what they (the men) spend of their wealth. Therefore, the righteous women are the devoutly obedient women, the women who guard in the (husband's) absense what Allaah would have them guard." (An-Nisaa':34)
(To be continued)
Ash-Shaikh Bakr bin 'Abdullah Abu Zayd
Source: Hiraasatul-Fadheelah, pp. 15-18
http://www.assalafi.com

This is my final response regarding this issue as the Caalim spoke.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:54 am
by Nanees
None of that actually supports what youre saying though :lol: thats all well and good and agreeable that the woman is not like the man and allah has given different, but equal rights to both over the other. None of it actually says that the woman must be punished for the sins of a man :lol:

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:58 am
by grandpakhalif
None of that actually supports what youre saying though :lol: thats all well and good and agreeable that the woman is not like the man and allah has given different, but equal rights to both over the other. None of it actually says that the woman must be punished for the sins of a man :lol:
Nanees, the MAN GETS A SIN FOR LOOKING NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. But she also gets a sin by her own deed(I.e dress badly) understand!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:05 am
by Nanees
None of that actually supports what youre saying though :lol: thats all well and good and agreeable that the woman is not like the man and allah has given different, but equal rights to both over the other. None of it actually says that the woman must be punished for the sins of a man :lol:
Nanees, the MAN GETS A SIN FOR LOOKING NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. But she also gets a sin by her own deed(I.e dress badly) understand!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

:lol:
A niqabi for example has covered herself very well, and will not incite men nor shall she incur any sins by men looking upon her. While an evil faasiqa who dresses in a miniskirt and tanktop, shall not only receive a sin for her immodesty but for causing fitnah upon the earth.

No this doesn't apply for brothers except if hes running around shirtless or naekd


Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:06 am
by fighter
Nanees,

You see this guy? Lmaooo had to put me on his ignore list cause he can't handle debates. He hasn't even said he will stop using public transport cause he knows its a hassle for him and its something he can't do. Aren't Salafis supposed to do things that they find hard and impossible (even though its what's best for Islam as he says?).

This is why you should ignore the man before he brainwashes you into joining his brain tumor Salafi crowd. This just goes to show you that the man is a PHONEY and a FAKE.

LOL nice to see the man is nothing but a FRAUD and obviously didn't get into post-secondary education and is just bitter

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:11 am
by grandpakhalif
*Sigh* I give up trying to convince ahlu bidca of the way of the salaf, culuma and saalihiiin. 5 pages of arguments yet they continue to challenge and question every single thing.


I might as well quit SNET all together it seems like i'm the only salafi.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:12 am
by Nanees
[quote="grandpakhalif"]*Sigh* I give up trying to convince ahlu bidca of the way of the salaf, culuma and saalihiiin. 5 pages of arguments yet they continue to challenge and question every single thing.


I might as well quit SNET all together it seems like i'm the only salafi.[/quote]


Okay so you'll quit snet because you're the only salafi, but you'll quit school cuz of the intermixing?

your priorities seem awfully skewed....

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:14 am
by grandpakhalif
Nanees why do you care if I quit school or not? Why is it your business? I have provided my reasons and proof and you should just back off and respect them. Sick and tired of justifying myself to you.