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Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:17 am
by grandpakhalif
I see many people promoting the education of Western universites which contain iqtilad, lets see what the Major scholars have said:

سؤال :أنا طالب من لندن أدرس الطب فى رومانيا والجامعه بها إختلاط ولا أستطيع أن أجعل الجامعه أنتساب لأن هناك دراسات تطبقيه تستدعى التواجد الدائم وأريد أكمل دراستى حتى أتمكن من الهجرة إلى بلاد المسلمين وأنفع المسلمين وعلما أن تركى لدراسة سيغضب والدى والهجره ý..فهل أترك الدراسه علماص بأن المكان الذى أنا فيه مسجد وعدد كبير من العرب

Question:I am a student from London but I study medicine in Romania and the University is mixed and I have to be there a lot because of some courses that we take. I want to finish my studies to be able to make hijrah (emigrate) to a Muslim country and benefit the Muslims. If I leave University then my parents will go angry on me. Do I leave the University? Also the University I am in has a Masjid and lots of Arab people.

الجواب لشيخ محمدبن هادى المدخلى

لا يجوز الدراسه فى مكان فيه أختلاط بين الجنسين وهذة المبررات التى ذكرتها لا تكفى ,أما الأول فلو لم تتمكن من الهجرة هذا سيسره الله لك عزوجل إن علم الله سبحانه وتعالى منك نية الخير سيسره لك..........
فإن لم تكن قادرا على ذلك وكنت قادر على أن تصوم وتزكى وتأمر بالمعروف وتنكر المنكر
فتكون الهجرة لست واجبا عليك فإن الله تعالى يعذرك
أما التعليل الثانى بأن تنفع المسلمين فإن الله تعالى ما أمرك أن تنغعنا وتضر نفسك فقدم بنفسك أولا قال تعالى ( ياأيها الذين أمنوا قو أنفسكم وإهليكم نارا)لم يقدم أهليكم .فأنت الان تقدم من ليس بآهل النفع وهو عموم المسلمين ý........فالأنسان مأمور أولا بحفظ نفسه ý.قال النبى صلى الله عليه وسلم فى النه الصحيحه (أبدأ بنفسك ثم بمن تعول )....

الشاهد أن الله ما أمرك أن تضر نفسك لتنفعنا نحن فأبدأ بنفسك
وأما إن كان المكان فيه مسجد وناس من العرب كثيير فهذا ليس بحجه فأنت مأمور بأ، تقى نفسك من النار

Answer by ash-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee

It is not permissible to study in mixed place and those excuses that you mentioned is not enough. If you are not able to make hijrah then Allah will make it easy for you if you have a good intention. If you can pray and fast and do zakat and do ma3roof (good actions seeking the pleasure of Allah) and deny munkar (evil actions earning the anger and punishment of Allah) then hjirah is not wajib (compulsory) on you and Allah excuse you.

I say about benefiting Muslims that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala did not order you to harm yourself and benefit us (the Muslims). Allah said In the Quraan:

قال تعالى: ياأيها الذين أمنوا قو أنفسكم وإهليكم نارا

ýOh you who believe, protect yourself and your family from the hell fireý

So Allah started with yourself and you are putting Muslims before yourself when you are ordered to protect* yourself (from the fire) first.

قال: (ابدأ بنفسك ثم بمن تعول) الترمذي

In the authentic hadeeth found in Sunan at-Tirmidhi, Prophet Muhammad (May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ýStart with yourself and then who you supportý.

So Allah didn't order you to harm yourself to benefit us (the Muslims) but to start with yourself first.

Concerning your third excuse that there is a masjid there and lots of Arab people then that is not a excuse because you are ordered to protect* yourself self from hell fire.

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Translator's Note: Protecting yourself from the Hell-Fire in the above statements is referring to protecting himself from the evils and fitnah (temptation) of free-mixing and all the munkar (evil) that is in the mixed schools and schools of the non-Muslims nowadays.
Shaykh Uthaymeen on Mixing in University

Shaykh Ibn ýUthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

Is it permissible for a man to study in a mixed university where men and women mix in one classroom, knowing that the student has a role to play in calling people to Allaah?

He replied:

What I think is that it is not permissible for anyone, man or woman, to study in a mixed school, because of the grave danger that it poses to his chastity, integrity and morals. No matter how great a personýs integrity, morals and innocence, if a woman is sitting beside him on the seat ý especially if she is beautiful and unveiled ý he can hardly avoid fitnah and evil. Everything that leads to fitnah and evil is also haraam and is not permitted. We ask Allaah to keep our Muslim brothers safe from such things which will only bring evil, fitnah and corruption to their youth. If there is no other university apart from this one, he should go and study in another city or country where this mixing does not happen. I do not think that this is permissible but others may have a different opinion.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/103

Aboo 'Ubaydah Ahmad Nishwan ibn 'Alee al-Maraduwee
The Permanent Committee on Mixed Education

The scholars of the Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Fataawa (al-Lajnah ad-Daa.imah lil-Buhooth al-ýIlmiyyah wal-Iftaa.) stated:

It is haraam for male and female students and teachers to mix in educational institutions, because of the fitnah and provocation of desires and immoral conduct that results from that. The gravity of the sin is compounded if the female teachers and students uncover any part of their awrahs or wear see-through or tight clothing, or if the students or teachers flirt or joke together, which may lead to transgression of limits and violation of honour.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/102,103

Aboo 'Ubaydah Ahmad Nishwan ibn 'Alee al-Maraduwee
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Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:17 am
by Nanees
By this logic is it haram to go to food basics?

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:27 am
by grandpakhalif
Alhamdullilah, I know now with certainty that such a place is forbidden for me and Allah will not punish or be angry with me for abandoning such an evil place. Inshallah, 6 months from now I am in Egypt studying as a student of knowledge. :D

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:35 am
by grandpakhalif
By this logic is it haram to go to food basics?
Women should bring their mahram and men should lower their gaze it is also sinful you should find other ways such as online grocery shopping etc.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:37 am
by grandpakhalif
What part of it is haraam? I didnt see any reason pointed out?
Extreme intermixing.
What I think is that it is not permissible for anyone, man or woman, to study in a mixed school, because of the grave danger that it poses to his chastity, integrity and morals. No matter how great a personýs integrity, morals and innocence, if a woman is sitting beside him on the seat ý especially if she is beautiful and unveiled ý he can hardly avoid fitnah and evil. Everything that leads to fitnah and evil is also haraam and is not permitted.
Very evil indeed :idea:

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:39 am
by fighter
I'm assuming you take the TTC every day to school, work, or to your Wahabbi gatherings.

50% of the riders are female.

You have committed a grave sin.

I also assume you go to the doctor's office once or twice a year.

Majority of the patients waiting in the small doctors office are women.

You have commited a grave sin.

How about shopping malls? FULL of women!

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:41 am
by Shirib
So its haraam to interact with women at all now?

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:42 am
by FAH1223
Alhamdullilah, I know now with certainty that such a place is forbidden for me and Allah will not punish or be angry with me for abandoning such an evil place. Inshallah, 6 months from now I am in Egypt studying as a student of knowledge. :D
Egypt? :lol: :lol: if you think intermixing is bad in Toronto, wait till you see the streets of colorful young hijabis hand in hand with young boys on the streets :lol: :lol: they're your age but they sure as hell ain't married since guys can't afford no meher since there's no jobs

why not go to Umm Al-Qura University or Medina?

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:44 am
by grandpakhalif
fighter, nah I get driven around by my brothers, I don't go shopping, I use online shopping.

Shirib, yes non mahram women, half naked at that.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:44 am
by Nanees
By this logic is it haram to go to food basics?
Women should bring their mahram and men should lower their gaze it is also sinful you should find other ways such as online grocery shopping etc.

Did you just release a fatwa that its sinful to go shopping for grocerys?

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:47 am
by grandpakhalif
Alhamdullilah, I know now with certainty that such a place is forbidden for me and Allah will not punish or be angry with me for abandoning such an evil place. Inshallah, 6 months from now I am in Egypt studying as a student of knowledge. :D
Egypt? :lol: :lol: if you think intermixing is bad in Toronto, wait till you see the streets of colorful young hijabis hand in hand with young boys on the streets :lol: :lol: they're your age but they sure as hell ain't married since guys can't afford no meher since there's no jobs

why not go to Umm Al-Qura University or Medina?
:-@ Take your nonsense elsewhere, I personally know brothers who've told me of their excellent experience in Egypt.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:49 am
by grandpakhalif
Nanees I never rely on my own understanding, you know that already.

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:49 am
by Nanees
Nanees I never rely on my own understanding, you know that already.
Gotchya, can you show me your sources :lol:

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:50 am
by FAH1223
Egypt is a great place to study. But my point is, there's intermixing EVERYWHERE in the world and once you step out of the classroom you will see it on the streets of a 90% Muslim majority country. :lol:

Re: Major Scholars: Mixed University is haram!

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:53 am
by grandpakhalif
Mr. FAH I'm well aware of the liberal trash in Egypt, the brothers advised me to avoid tourist areas and stick to the more conservative ends of Cairo.