Answer to Athiesm

IronSheik · Postby **IronSheik** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:36 pm

You would then have to read the text I posted in page 4 and then have an understanding. However we are talking to a man who listens to swedish radio stations and believes a country of catholics is 95% atheist. Which lead him therefore atheist countries are better than muslim ones, and even made a point of somalis being worse of in the next life. Subhan'Allah. Why are we even conversing with this person.

grandpakhalif · Postby **grandpakhalif** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:37 pm

Hadith can't be wrong its Sahihh(authentic) so if you deny this hadith then you deny other hadiths like how to pray, how to fast because they are the same level so Dr. Yalaxow just admit you don't like what the prophet he is saying.

union · Postby **union** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:38 pm

majorty of hadiith was collected 250 years after prophets sc past away only bukhaari collected 300 000 hadiiths which he thrown away all of them except 1500 hadiiths only. so that hadiith which says if slave run away from hes master is comming sin probably is fake hadiith.

Probably was added in by some slave masters looking after their possessions.

American slave holders in the South used to teach their slaves that the bible forbade them from disobeying or escaping.

DR-YALAXOOW · Postby **DR-YALAXOOW** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:38 pm

Hadith can't be wrong its Sahihh(authentic) so if you deny this hadith then you deny other hadiths like how to pray, how to fast because they are the same level so Dr. Yalaxow just admit you don't like what the prophet he is saying.

how to pray its in the quran. and there is no axdiith which says or shows muslims step bye step how to pray.

IronSheik · Postby **IronSheik** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:38 pm

Allahu A'lam الله أعلم. I am not a scholar and I don't claim to be one, it comes from the book of hadiths called: Riyad as-Salihin (The Meadows of the Righteous)
by Yahiya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi

It is

349. Chapter: On the strong prohibition against a slave running away from his master

1768. Jarir ibn 'Abdullah reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Whenever a slave runs away, protection is removed from him." [Muslim]

1769. Jarir reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "When a slave runs away, his prayer is not accepted from him." [Muslim]

In one variant, "He has disbelieved."
It is also said been said that:
Almost all of the hadith in Riyadh as-Saaliheen are authentic, it contains mostly strong hadith and is well regarded by the scholars of hadith.
That hadith is a load of bullshit.

As a matter of fact slavery is a major SHIRK because you are taking a human as your master instead of GOD.

You can't say things like this you will be banned by the morning

IronSheik · Postby **IronSheik** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:39 pm

End of discussion.

union · Postby **union** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:39 pm

I highly doubt saying slavery is a load of bullshit will get me banned!

---especially on a black African forum

gedo_gurl · Postby **gedo_gurl** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:40 pm

Actually slavery is blessing from Allah wal Jala, you see those women and children would have been brutally gangraped by the victorious force. But Muslims we never do this we take her and feed her, shelter her and sell her on the market. Even young men who can't afford wife, they don't have to do zina they just buy some female slave and this women is like his wife but cheaper.

I wish slaves existed today, wallahi I'd buy 2.

And OMG, you are crazy. There was not that much gang rape, not enough to ever make slavery OK. And slave owners, 'Muslim' or not, were known and still do, rape slaves. Do not go down this route. These people were kidnapped from their families and homes for financial reasons. The returns were crazy. The person is kidnapped = free, then are sold for profit, then are worked til they die. AlxamduliAllahi it officially ended, Allahu Akbar.

DR yalaxow, sit on a d*ck
gedo_girl if someone is kidnapped then thats evil and I don't condone slavery via kidnapping. But we are not talking about African American slaves who are contemporary, please don't equate Islamic slavery to American Slavery they are very different.

1. There is no discrimination in Islam, the slaves were majority arab, there was some romans, jews, absinniyians but these were not that much.
2. You cannot be unjust to slave in Islam, you have to give him proper food, etiquette you can't beat them there are very just conditions.

Dr. yalaxoow there's no rape in slavery or marriage.

I will ignore the last part of the quote completely.

On the the topic of slaves not being kidnapped...how do you think they got there? Do you not think they would rather work for pay? Do you not think that they would rather not live with their own families and earn a wage, in a job they can quit when they want and have prospects for promotion, savings etc? Even a famr hand is better of than a slave. All slaves were kidnapped. They are not there willingly I'll tell you that. Its dhulm.

grandpakhalif · Postby **grandpakhalif** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:40 pm

Hadith can't be wrong its Sahihh(authentic) so if you deny this hadith then you deny other hadiths like how to pray, how to fast because they are the same level so Dr. Yalaxow just admit you don't like what the prophet he is saying.
how to pray its in the quran. and there is no axdiith which says or shows muslims step bye step how to pray.

Show me where Allah tells you how to pray in the Quran.

DR-YALAXOOW · Postby **DR-YALAXOOW** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:41 pm

As a matter of fact slavery is a major SHIRK because you are taking a human as your master instead of GOD.

I 100% AGREE whit you, the only Master you can have is the ALLAH. humans can not be a master or own another humans. ITS BIG BIG SHIRK to claime that your master over another human.

Aemon85 · Postby **Aemon85** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:41 pm

Hadith can't be wrong its Sahihh(authentic) so if you deny this hadith then you deny other hadiths like how to pray, how to fast because they are the same level so Dr. Yalaxow just admit you don't like what the prophet he is saying.

what do you mean the hadith cant be wrong, you cant just believe in something wholeheartedly without checking to see if the sources are credible and anyway s the hadiths were written a long time after the prophets death.

gedo_gurl · Postby **gedo_gurl** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:42 pm

The Quran does actually mention bowing and a few others things, including times. the hadith just expands and gives the details.

Aemon85 · Postby **Aemon85** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:42 pm

I highly doubt saying slavery is a load of bullshit will get me banned!

---especially on a black African forum

why would you get banned???

union · Postby **union** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:44 pm

I highly doubt saying slavery is a load of bullshit will get me banned!

---especially on a black African forum

why would you get banned???

ask mr ironshiek, he was threatening me with a ban lol

union · Postby **union** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:45 pm

As a matter of fact slavery is a major SHIRK because you are taking a human as your master instead of GOD.

I 100% AGREE whit you, the only Master you can have is the ALLAH. humans can not be a master or own another humans. ITS BIG BIG SHIRK to claime that your master over another human.

It is like when pharaoh said "I am your Lord" to his people, which is MAJOR KUFR

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