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Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:35 pm
by awkuku567
wahaabis can't change the history. its well known the founder of wahaabis did revolt Ottomons and he even one of hes books mohamed abdulwahaab said# if you see a turk and snake kill the Turk before you kill the snake. that man was real racist.

about Ottomon-wahaabi war 1811 read it again
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Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab and the amir Muhammad ibn Sa’ud launched their campaign to reform Islam and consolidate power in Arabia from their power-base in Diriyah. By 1805, the Wahhabis controlled Mecca and Medina, had attacked Karbala and the Imam Husayn Shrine.[1] The Wahhabis also attacked Ottoman trade caravans which interrupted the Ottoman finances.[2] The Saudi amir denounced the Ottoman sultan and called into question the validity of his claim to be caliph and guardian of the sanctuaries of the Hejaz[3] and when the Ottoman empire ordered the upstart Muhammad ‘Ali, viceroy of Egypt, to fight the Wahhabis. The Ottoman empire was suspicious of Muhammed Ali’s ambition, and thought that by ordering Ali against the Wahhabis, the defeat of either would be beneficial.[2]

Muhammad ‘Ali was ordered to crush the state as early as December 1807 by Sultan Mustafa IV, however internal strife within Egypt prevented him from giving full attention to the Wahhabis. The Egyptians were not able to recapture the holy cities until 1811.[3]

However, it would take until September 1818 that the Wahhabi state would end with the surrendering of the leaders. Ibrahim Pasha, Muhammad ‘Ali’s son, had taken over the campaign in 1817. Gaining the support of the volatile Arabian tribes by skillful diplomacy and lavish gifts, he advanced into central Arabia to occupy the towns of Unaizah and Buraidah. Joined now by most of the principal tribes, he appeared before the Saudi capital Diriyah in April 1818. With their march to Diriyah plagued by Wahhabi attacks, they arrived in Diriyah in April 1818. It took until September for the Wahhabis to surrender, in part due to Ibrahim’s poorly trained army. Diriyah was destroyed on June 1819, and Egyptian garrisons were posted in the principal towns. The head of the Wahhabi state, Amir ‘Abd Allah, was sent to Constantinople to be executed.[3]

Amir ‘Abd Allah, as head of the Wahhabi state, was sent for execution to Istanbul, although most of the political leaders were treated well. The empire was far more harsh with the religious leaders that inspired the Wahhabi movement. The execution of Sulayman ibn ‘Abd Allah and other religious notables reflects the resentment of these extremist views. Religious leaders were thought to be uncompromising in their beliefs and therefore a much bigger threat than political leaders

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:35 pm
by Colonel
@grandpa - what khilFah? There is no such thing at the moment, the last one ended in the early 1900s with the fall of the Ottomans. As for Saudi Arabia it is a country and has nothing to do with being a caliphate.

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:36 pm
by Shirib
nah he didn't but Al Saud sure did
DId you listen to the video? Al Saud were the believers and rightful rulers of Najd which brother Abu khadeejah explains has never been controlled by Ottomon empire. Ottomon empire attacked them! They had every right to defend themselves from these aggressing invaders who were attempting to overthrow the rightful rulers of Najd.

Allahuakbar :up: :D
that is untrue, the Ottomans ruled all of Arabia and Al Saud rebelled against them. A guy on youtube cannot rewrite history

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:36 pm
by Alphanumeric
wahaabis can't change the history. its well known the founder of wahaabis did revolt Ottomons and he even one of hes books mohamed abdulwahaab said# if you see a turk and snake kill the Turk before you kill the snake. that man was real racist.

about Ottomon-wahaabi war 1811 read it again
Which book?

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:38 pm
by grandpakhalif
nah he didn't but Al Saud sure did
DId you listen to the video? Al Saud were the believers and rightful rulers of Najd which brother Abu khadeejah explains has never been controlled by Ottomon empire. Ottomon empire attacked them! They had every right to defend themselves from these aggressing invaders who were attempting to overthrow the rightful rulers of Najd.

Allahuakbar :up: :D
that is untrue, the Ottomans ruled all of Arabia and Al Saud rebelled against them. A guy on youtube cannot rewrite history
It is well documented that Najd was a lawless tribal fiefdom where each clan ruled their own turf. Do you dispute this?

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:39 pm
by grandpakhalif
Guys ignore awkukuu, he is that sick DR. YALAXOOW character and shouldn't be taken serious. He is quoting wikipedia, lol.

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:43 pm
by awkuku567
the book is called Kitaabu l-Kabaair i dont remember the page. read that book and what mr abdulwahab thinks about Turks.

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:45 pm
by awkuku567
Guys ignore awkukuu, he is that sick DR. YALAXOOW character and shouldn't be taken serious. He is quoting wikipedia, lol.
are you saying the famous war 1811 wahaabi vs Ottomon caliphate which was going on 7 years never happened?
your living in la la la la fantacy land :lol: :down:

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:45 pm
by Colonel
The Ottomans were the rulers of the Muslims for centuries, they were well organised and a fantastic military force so why didn't the sauds not give their allegiance to them or at the least become an ally state?
Why should they give beycah? They are independent rulers who have sovreignty over the land given to them by allah. Plus Turks didn't give them chance to negotiate they outright invaded, with no negotiations nothing in a savage manner.
I'm sorry but islamically I've never heard of 2 khalifas. I can understand if the Muslims are weak an can only control small territory but the Ottomans were given great strength, they were the best army in Europe so there's no excuses for the saudis not to either give allegiance or become governors of that territory UNDER Ottoman command.

If it's ok to have 2 khalifs then why did Ali and Muawiya go to war?

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:49 pm
by grandpakhalif
Awkuuku, Sheikh Muhammad bin Abdulwahabb died 1792.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab

So how can he participate in this war :lol:

Colonel, I honestly don't know whether the Ottomon empire attempted to diplomatically resolve this problem or they savagely attacked the First Saudi state. What I do know is that they were the aggressors, and shed muslim blood.

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:49 pm
by Rainbows
You dumb nigga.

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:50 pm
by Alphanumeric
You dumb, nigga.
Fixed. :up:

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:53 pm
by Rainbows
You dumb, nigga.
Fixed. :up:
:lol: :lol:

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:54 pm
by grandpakhalif
You dumb nigga.
Get outta my thread dumb troll. :arrow:

Re: Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:55 pm
by Thuganomics
Colonel there has been periods where there was a split in the ruling dynasties of the Ummah.Such as The Caliphate of Córdoba
When Abd-ar-Rahman III proclaimed himself Caliph and split from Umayyad dynasty which originaly gave him the title Emir of Córdoba
But this Al-Saud dynast were usurpers and were a puppet regime put there by the west