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Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:50 pm
by grandpakhalif
Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H. said, "I only fear for my Ummah the
misguiding leaders. And when the sword falls between them, it will
not be lifted until the Day of Resurrection. And the Hour will not come
until groups of my Ummah join the mushrikun, and until tribes from
my Ummah worship idols
. And there will be in my Ummah thirty great
liars, each of whom will claim that he is a prophet, but I am the Seal
of the Prophets, and there is no prophet after me. And there will
always remain a group from my Ummah upon the way of Truth,
victorious and unharmed by those who let them down, until the
Command of Allah [tabaraka wa-ta'ala] comes."
Remember that hadith which you said the Prophet said, " I do not fear shirk for my ummah" well, guess what it must be weak hadith cause this hadith is saxiix hadith and says that some sections of my ummah will join the mushrikeen.

Re: Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:58 pm
by SultanOrder
I think it is in reference to the return of idolatry in what is now known in Saudi Araba, where they will start to worship the idols of Jahalliya.
(English translation of Al-Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 88, Number 232: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established till the buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daus move while going round Dhi-al-Khalasa." Dhi-al-Khalasa was the idol of the Daus tribe which they used to worship in the Pre Islamic Period of ignorance.)
Grandpa there could be a general fear for his ummah, and then a specific fear for a certain group at a certain time.

Also, I because of your ignorance you have labeled the hadith where it is stated that the ummah will not worship idols as weak when it is saxiix

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59 [al maghazi - the battles], Number 374:
Narrated Uqba bin Amir:
Allah's Apostle offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud eight years after (their death), as if bidding farewell to the living and the dead, then he ascended the pulpit and said, "I am your predecessor before you, and I am a witness on you, and your promised place to meet me will be Al-Haud (i.e. the Tank) (on the Day of Resurrection), and I am (now) looking at it from this place of mine. I am not afraid that you will worship others besides Allah, but I am afraid that worldly life will tempt you and cause you to compete with each other for it." That was the last look which I cast on Allah's Apostle.
Also, one can join the Mushrikeen as in an alliance against other muslims, but not mean become a mushrik. Think why the rasul scw distinguished "joining the mushrikiin, and tribes becoming mushrikeen. "

Re: Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:08 pm
by grandpakhalif
:comeon: Two hadiths one has to be saxiix one has to be not.

Re: Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:18 am
by SultanOrder
^So your saying Saxiix Bukhari contains hadiths that are not saxiix? :comeon:

Re: Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:00 am
by grandpakhalif
^So your saying Saxiix Bukhari contains hadiths that are not saxiix? :comeon:
Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah:

"No one has the right to teach the people any kinds of duaas or adhkaar apart from those that are mentioned in the Sunnah, or to make it a kind of regular worship which he expects the people to do regularly as they do the five daily prayers, this is the innovation in religion which Allaah does not allow. As for adopting a wird or regularly reciting a dhikr that is not prescribed in shareeah, this is one of the things that is not allowed. The duaas and adhkaar prescribed by shareeah are the best that anyone could ever hope to find, and no one ignores them in favour of newly-invented, innovated adhkaar except one who is ignorant, negligent or a wrongdoer." (Majmoo al-Fataawa, 22/510-511)."

So you sufis are in jaahiliyah and are wrongdoers.

Re: Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:02 pm
by SultanOrder
Why are we jumping into another subject? :?
:comeon: Two hadiths one has to be saxiix one has to be not.
GrandpaKhaliif, are you saying that in Sahiih bukhari there are hadiths that are not sahiih :?

Re: Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:07 pm
by ZubeirAwal
This nigga's a fool, the prophet said i do not fear you worship someone besides allah, salafis accuse sufis of worshipping saints and prophet alongside Allah, infact we don't, since the prophet in that hadith laid the foundation stone of tassawuf.


GPK, You cannot take pieces of aakhirul zaman and still like saudi arabia, they will follow dajjal and today there are alot of saudi sheikhs locked up because of the jahil government that is close friends with the 2 worst mushrikoon nations in the world, Isreal and the U.S

Saudi Arabia came out of the womb of great britain, their wealth if divided can suffice for the whole ummah, they can make every muslim rich, but they won't, because uncle sam tells them what to do and they follow, they follow them not Allah.

Re: Mr. AbukeerSubeer I found a hadith that contradicts you.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:29 pm
by KimJongIllest
The prophet himself said to never write anything from him and that if anything was written, it must be destroyed IMMEDIATELY.

Hadiths were at first prohibited and only began to surface, organized and complied together hundreds of years after the death of the prophet.
And obey Allah and the Messenger so that you may be blessed. (Surat Ali Imraan 3:132)
And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware. (Suratul Maaidah 5:92)
So fear Allah and set things right between you, and obey Allah and His Messenger if you are (in truth) believers. (Suratul Anfaal 8:1)
And if you obey him (the Prophet, sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam), you shall find the right path. (Suratun-Nur 54)
And whoever obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. (Suratun-Nisaa 4:80)
OBEY YOUR PROPHET AND HIS DEMANDS.
"Nothing have We omitted from the Book" 6:38
This is exactly why the prophet didn't want anyone writing anything down of him. He knew people would follow the Hadith more than the Quran and he's write. I never see anyone quoting the Quran but just quoting the Hadith. The Hadith has many errors and even the Salafis have admitted this.