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Erm sorry?eritrea was the place not ethiopia.
Islam first arrived to the region when immigrants from Mecca, persecuted by the ruling Quraysh tribe were accepted into Abyssinia by the ruler of Ethiopia whom Arabic tradition has named Aṣḥama ibn Abjar, and he settled them in Negash, located in the Tigray Region of Ethiopia. Muhammad himself instructed his followers who came to Ethiopia, to respect and protect Ethiopia as well as live in peace with Ethiopian Christians.
Are you really twisting religion because of politics?The Futuh al-Habasha records Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi visited the tomb of Ashama ibn Abjar in Negash during his invasion of the province of Tigray (around 1537).
https://www.academia.edu/14373131/Mappi ... and_EmpireThe ancient Qiblatayn mosque in Zayla/Zaila/Saylac (80) is believed to align in two directions, one facing Mecca and one facing Jerusalem. Earliest Muslims were praying towards Jerusalem. According to oral history, it is one of the earliest or indeed the earliest mosque in sub-Saharan Africa. It suggests that the Prophet ’s family travelled through Saylac to Aksum in the mid-seventh century (Trimingham 1952, p. 44-46).The Islamic Empires of eastern Ethiopia and western Somali territory were powerful and fought bloody wars with Ethiopian Christian kingdoms (Braukämper 2002).
There's no point rewriting history, the masjid's construction dates to the 7th century, shortly after the hijra. They travelled through Eritrea.You forgot to mention Zeila in Somalia. The prophets family first migrated there, the proof is the 7th century old mosque still present on the northern Somali region.
Mapping the Archaeology of Somaliland: Religion, Art, Script, Time, Urbanism, Trade and Empirehttps://www.academia.edu/14373131/Mappi ... and_EmpireThe ancient Qiblatayn mosque in Zayla/Zaila/Saylac (80) is believed to align in two directions, one facing Mecca and one facing Jerusalem. Earliest Muslims were praying towards Jerusalem. According to oral history, it is one of the earliest or indeed the earliest mosque in sub-Saharan Africa. It suggests that the Prophet ’s family travelled through Saylac to Aksum in the mid-seventh century (Trimingham 1952, p. 44-46).The Islamic Empires of eastern Ethiopia and western Somali territory were powerful and fought bloody wars with Ethiopian Christian kingdoms (Braukämper 2002).
The prophets followers fled to abysnia, the land ruled by the negus.there is no record of them ever setting foot in zeila during the migration.
The Sahaba never came anywhere near Zeila. They entered the Horn of Africa from present day Eritrea and the port of Massawa before moving more inland to meet with the Axumite rulers who were stationed in Axum and Negash in the 4th century.
Zeila was only found in the 9th and 10th century. By the late 11th century the city was ruled by the Walashma Sultanate. After Yeshaq I of Abyssinia killed Sa'adadin, it was replaced by the Adal Sultanate. The Adal Sultanate only became powerful in the mid-14th century and by the time it was able to challenge Ethiopia it was the mid 15th century. Islam had entered Africa at least 5-6 centuries before it reached Zeila.
There is no mention of Zeila in any record including the Holy Quran. There is no point fabricating stories.
The oldest mosque in Africa is in Eritrea.
One of Islam's most respected scholars in the world on the subject, Dr. Abdullah Hakim Quick.
XimanJaale's postJames Dahl,
It was definitely not Zeila nor was it what is known as Somalia today. Remember they embarked from what was then known as Hijaz, so they probably migrated to what is today known as Eritrea.
James Dahl,
Yea with the first Hijrah to Abysinnia it says nothing about them going through Yemen to Abysinnia, so Somalia wouldn't be possible.
It's implied in the First Hijra story that al-Najashi kept the Muslim refugees with him in his capital, so presumably that would have been Aksum.Dir obsessed guy,
Saylac was never under Abyssinian control, where the fuck did you hear that. Is it something to gloat about being controlled by Abyssinia? You stupid cunt.
James Dahl,
I doubt they went Saylac or any Somali territory. Because Somali territory was never under the control of Abyssinia or the Axum Empire. If anything they went to present day Eritrea or Northern Ethiopia.
There is always a point behind rewriting of history, if archeological research and reconstruction of history disproves conventional knowledge. History is never on a stand still, as we gain more info & knowledge it changes. Pluss these are written accounts by archeologists not my own words. This was published this year in 2016.There's no point rewriting history, the masjid's construction dates to the 7th century, shortly after the hijra.'
Nope they travelled through Zeila and even settled there. Evidence is the fact that the mosque points to Jerusalem as the earliest muslims prayed towards Jerusalem before switching to Mekha. They then traveled through Zeila into Aksum. Geographically speaking this makes more sense as the somali coast is the closest to the southern Arabian border.They travelled through Eritrea.
Why would it have been through Saylac? It wasn't even a part of Aksum at the time... secondly, the route doesn't make sense. That source is written by a Lander so I'm not surprised. The migration took place in the beginnings of the 7th century not in the middle. Aksum was a Christian kingdom.
Except Archeological evidence of a Mosque built by the Sahaba which proves Early muslim migration in the 7th century and also the fact that it points towards Jerusalem indicates they were infact the Sahaba.The prophets followers fled to abysnia, the land ruled by the negus.there is no record of them ever setting foot in zeila during the migration.
How can you argue against it when Archeological evidence which disproves what you are saying.The Sahaba never came anywhere near Zeila. They entered the Horn of Africa from present day Eritrea and the port of Massawa before moving more inland to meet with the Axumite rulers who were stationed in Axum and Negash in the 4th century.
Not exactly Zeila was a port city in pre-Islamic times. It was founded well before the 9th century and was documented in the Periplus of the Erythraean SeaZeila was only found in the 9th and 10th century. By the late 11th century the city was ruled by the Walashma Sultanate. .
https://books.google.com/books?id=qQWYk ... &q&f=falseZeila is an ancient city, and has been identified with what was referred to in classical antiquity as the town of Avalites (Αβαλίτες in Greek), situated in the erst while Barbara geographical region on the northern Somali coast.
Archeology is valid historical evidence enough to point the fact that Zeila was the first crossing path of the Sahaba during the hijara. Infact Archeological evidence serves as direct & material evidence for the fact that Zeila was the landing point to the Sahaba.There is no mention of Zeila in any record including the Holy Quran. There is no point fabricating stories.
[/quote]The oldest mosque in Africa is in Eritrea.
No evidence that they SETTLED there. The mosque was built shortly after the first Hijra as many sources have said, the direction means nothing as there is a time scale as to how long Jerusalem was faced..
What kind of denial are you in son. There is full proof archeological evidence that they settled in Zeila Somalia.No evidence that they SETTLED there.
Show me any formal & accredited archeological study or research like the one i posted carbon dating it to after the Hijara. And no Wikipedia or Somali forum is not a reliable source.The mosque was built shortly after the first Hijra as many sources have said, the direction means nothing as there is a time scale as to how long Jerusalem was faced.
The direction of the mosque , proves it to be true. So the History of itself is proven by the archeological evidence.Your source states brother, "According to oral history, it is one of the earliest or indeed the earliest mosque in sub-Saharan Africa.", there is no mention of dating, only the direction of the mosque is used.
https://books.google.com/books?id=zLN2h ... &q&f=falseAccording to the traditional Muslim view, the Qiblah originally faced the Noble Sanctuary in Jerusalem. This Qiblah was used for over 13 years, from 610 CE until 623 CE. Seventeen months after the Islamic prophet Muhammad's 622 CE arrival in Medina – the date is given as 11 February 624 – the Qiblah became oriented towards the Kaaba in Mecca.[2][3] According to traditional accounts from Muhammad's companions, the change happened very suddenly during the noon prayer in Medina, in a mosque now known as Masjid al-Qiblatayn (Mosque of the Two Qiblahs).
Where is the source of dating or the proof it was constructed after the hijara? You are making a claim which you are not backing.This was constructed after the first Hijra, so it doesn't confirm the direction of their travel at all. And believe it or not, Eritrea is much closer to the Arabian Peninsula than Saylac, although Djibouti is closer than both.
[/quote]The Sahaba regardless of the above seeked refuge in Aksum, not Saylac. The mosque came shortly after the first hijra, Jerusalem was still being faced at this time too.
So you are telling me this is the Migration to Zeila and not Abyssinia and that that is where the king was and they sought refuge? You are funny.
. Your source states carbon dating for other sites, have you even read it properly? Site 80 (Zeila) on your source is discussed and it suggests through oral history. :
"is believed to"The ancient Qiblatayn mosque in Zayla/Zaila/Saylac (80) is believed to align in two directions, one facing Mecca and one facing Jerusalem. Earliest Muslims were praying towards Jerusalem. According to oral history, it is one of the earliest or indeed the earliest mosque in sub-Saharan Africa.
" according to oral history". Stop talking about dating, no dating has been done. And also stop sending that study because I have read it and quite embarrassingly, I don't think you have."Some maintain that Zeila, on Somalia's northern coast, was the site of refuge for Muslims fleeing persecution in Abyssinia in Islam's nascent years, but evidence to support the claim appears scanty".
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