JESUS PROPHESIED ISLAM in parts of Bible not noticed before:

[Abdu-Rahman (Kai)]

Here Jesus announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen Christians by Bible to Islam and to Muslim-countries (like for me it did):

John.10:16 ”I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Quran and monotheism/prophesies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).”

Matt.18:12-14 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little children to be lost.”

Luke.15:4-7 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. “

Here words (leaving other sheep’s at SAFELY HOME in) “MOUNTAINS” and “DESERT” describe general nature in Muslim-countries near Christian countries.

Matt.9:12-13 “But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Luke.9:56 “for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.”

So Jesus WAS (prophesied) king, Messiah, he divided Rome to east and west by religious differences (about power), Muslims got East Rome because of that, Byzantium. And he “sacrificed”, for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in describing way (for that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again). If Europe, America and Africa had remind in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been much worse than it was for Christians, who did not have such strict demand for total monotheism. With saints for example Christianity could easily to be one to replace pagan-god´s in Europe (god was replaced by saint, holidays with Christian holidays), America and Africa, and so bring them again closer to Islam.

Luke.12:51-52 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.”

So house of Abraham is divided because of different beliefs on Jesus, mainly to 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and to two Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite). And it has NOT been denyed that these could battle even with other sects among themself, but most commonly conflicts have happened between Islam and Christianity.

Matt.12:26-27 Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, “Father”, not about Jehovah for example. And “I am truth, way, and life” does not mean Jesus was god, but a prophet who taught TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one God, who gave us WAY and example in worshipping on knees face to ground and being totally submitting to God, and all this will give LIFE. All Muslims have to believe in Jesus TOO to be Muslim.

Matt.21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”

As Jesus told (to ALL people who were there, so “Christians”, his followers, also, not just to priests who even might not be there then anymore, but left him after he answered theirs question much earlier), Jews (and its sect Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it was given to Arabs, ONE nation (Christianity is not based on other single nation but Jews).

Matt.22:45 “If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he (Jesus) be his son?"

Here only possibility could be that spirit of Jesus were born before David, and so Jesus was in “high rank” compared to David (Jesus is most mentioned prophet in Qur´an). Idea about Jesus being son of David, from descent of David, refutes idea about actual “son of God”, as if Jesus had no human father, then he did not have genetically background in David who was relative of Joseph. So why would God be his genetic father then, if even David was not? So Jesus confirmed evolution (see my writing in link "Human development / Evolution", and there about Jesus saying he was before Abraham), and that he is “son of God”, prophet, as Jews understood it (look at link "Jesus warned about Paul"), but not son of Allah...



More about Islam prophesied by Jesus in Bible, for example how Jesus prophesied Islam and schedule of it, and how he did describe "People of the Book" (and schedule of those), mentioned only in Qur´an 600 years later:

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/koran/

About Scientific Miracles in Qur´an (and also about Paul and rest of Bible) :

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/

[wesley]

John 10:16 would apply to those who accept that Jesus died even as the next (17) says. Muslims don't believe Jesus died.

Matthew 18 and Luke 15 speak about sheep "astray". Your use of these would imply that Muslims are astray, religiously speaking.

Jesus didn't divide homes or religions. Men and women have done that themselves as a result of conflict over teaching about Jesus.

Matthew 12. I believe you got most of that right excepting clarification of the name of God worshipped by Abraham. YHWH, the tetragramaton/Hebrew letters, are found thousands of times in the Bible. These are translated into English as Jehovah or Yahweh.

[Abdu-Rahman (Kai)]

[quote] ----John 10:16 would apply to those who accept that Jesus died even as the next (17) says. Muslims don't believe Jesus died. ----[/quote]

First of all, 17 has no connection to position of Jesus as a shepherd (you as a Christian and I as a Muslim acknowledge that, even though in different way), but into REASON why God loves Jesus.

B: Jesus does NOT say in 17-18 that he will die, but that he will be willing to sacrifice himself (sacrifice is sacrifice even if God would save him from making sacrifice to the end, and still cause as an result events to happen as if sacrifice would have actually happened, please read again what I said about meaning and results of "sacrifice" by Jesus, like collapse of pagan-Roman empire):

"17. The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord."

So Jesus said that no one, so not even God (who is only one able to do it,
as only he can give it, see John. 6:57 "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father"), will not take his life away. But Jesus will be willing to be ready ("BUT I lay it down") to even go TO FACE IT and trust that God will save him from it.

That is reason why Jesus prayed in fear from God to let "cup pass" him just before his arrest, as he did not know how far God was willing to let things to go (even though he knew he was not going to die on cross, as he said that he will be away for three days "just as Jonah was in belly of whale for three days", AND JONAH WAS ALIVE those days!).

18. "I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

Christianity and history have went as if Jesus really were crucified, and that was will of Allah and reason for it. But Muslims know that here "second authority" was for Muslims and for Truth spelled out in Qur´an, he did not die (he "took it up" when disciples and others realized he was alive even though for them and all others he was "dead").


[quote="wesley"] ---Matthew 18 and Luke 15 speak about sheep "astray". Your use of these would imply that Muslims are astray, religiously speaking.--- [/quote]

I explained this too, you did not get it. Bible (and Jesus too) is for those people who Allah has selected to be Muslims in some time (but put them to be born in Christian country as a non-Muslim), or to be tested if they accept Islam after truth has been given to them. "Home" is Muslim countries near Christian countries, "deserts" and "mountains" describe those well.

In a way Muslim in non-Muslim environment is ALWAYS sick/astray/lost, it is not easy NEVER (even though you can see that as Qur´an said, Christians are most near to us, compared to some Japan f.ex.). That is one (maybe small, but anyway a) reason f.ex. high number of (highly against Islam) crimes among immigrants.

So yes, Jesus was sent "for sick, not for the healthy ones", as he said it himself.

[quote="wesley"] ---Jesus didn't divide homes or religions. Men and women have done that themselves as a result of conflict over teaching about Jesus. --- [/quote]

One common but also dividing factor between Christianity and Islam is position of Jesus. Sometimes even family members kill each others as a result of conversions between those two religions (yes, Christians f.ex. in Africa, S-America and in Papua New-Guinea have done that for "Muslim-converts" too).

Non-religious/secular people usually could not care less if their child/parents will go totally nuts about (singing/twisting/etc. for) Jesus. But for many of those ("Christians" in a way that they are part of "People of the Book") there is problem if child "converts" to Islam, their first question is: "are you terrorist" (for me example).

[quote="wesley"] ---Matthew 12. I believe you got most of that right excepting clarification of the name of God worshipped by Abraham. YHWH, the tetragramaton/Hebrew letters, are found thousands of times in the Bible. These are translated into English as Jehovah or Yahweh.--- [/quote]

Jesus did not mention that name even once. He spoke only about "Father" or about "God of Abraham", AND THANK GOD HE DID SO, least what we would need is that Christians would kill Muslims just because they "can not have same God" as His name is different...

So Jesus was just careful not to make one more reason to divide Christians and Muslims.

[wesley]

As the Hebrew name of God was used in both the Hebrew text and the Greek Septuagint, Jesus would have read the name. In the synagogue at Nazareth, when Jesus rose and accepted the book of Isaiah and read 61:1, 2, where the Tetragramaton (YHWH) occurs twice, he would have pronounced the name. This was inaccord with his determination to make Jehovah's name known as can be seen from his prayer to his Father: "I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world...I have made your name know to them and will make it known." John 17:6, 26.