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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Examples of his work:
From Clan to State
Clanization of the conflict leads, inevitably, to proclamation of special status; we died for this, therefore, we will act as if we own the government; it is ours; the fundamental attribute of this approach is to take more obligations than necessary, fight where it is not necessary, and then demand proportionate privileges or more.
You can get your particular interest, hold office or whatever, tribes recognized, by working for common causes, such as freedom, application of Islamic law, or peace by peaceful means, popular sovereignty, elections and so on; alliances emerged working for common good.
How did societies moved from tribal based society to more citizen based society; a citizen with rights and obligations; initially commitment to common good, state that transcends tribe loyalties and helps citizens discharge their duties and enjoy bundle of rights, is rhetorical, afgoobaadsi; opponents and circumstances force tribes to walk their talk; tribes then walk their talk.
If they do,cognitive harmony emerges between their thought and action, integrity, lasting communal therapy; that is why the most potent way of changing your opponent's view , if he is up to no good, is to accept his rhetoric, propaganda, and show contradiction between his statements and actions.
The opponent, at this time, is left with no option, if he wants to have peace of mind, but to reconcile what he says and what he does; the more he reconciles his action and thought, the more he feels better, hence the greater desire to harmonize action and thought, to enjoy lasting peace.
From Clan to State
Clanization of the conflict leads, inevitably, to proclamation of special status; we died for this, therefore, we will act as if we own the government; it is ours; the fundamental attribute of this approach is to take more obligations than necessary, fight where it is not necessary, and then demand proportionate privileges or more.
You can get your particular interest, hold office or whatever, tribes recognized, by working for common causes, such as freedom, application of Islamic law, or peace by peaceful means, popular sovereignty, elections and so on; alliances emerged working for common good.
How did societies moved from tribal based society to more citizen based society; a citizen with rights and obligations; initially commitment to common good, state that transcends tribe loyalties and helps citizens discharge their duties and enjoy bundle of rights, is rhetorical, afgoobaadsi; opponents and circumstances force tribes to walk their talk; tribes then walk their talk.
If they do,cognitive harmony emerges between their thought and action, integrity, lasting communal therapy; that is why the most potent way of changing your opponent's view , if he is up to no good, is to accept his rhetoric, propaganda, and show contradiction between his statements and actions.
The opponent, at this time, is left with no option, if he wants to have peace of mind, but to reconcile what he says and what he does; the more he reconciles his action and thought, the more he feels better, hence the greater desire to harmonize action and thought, to enjoy lasting peace.
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Quotes by him:
If we find what makes us extremely happy and we are confident in our abilities to sustain them, we shall discuss soon how to develop this, then we are, already, located beyond our wildest imagination.
When we face obstacle along the way, one reaction is to quit and find easy and more enjoyable way; to get to where we wanted to go, we got to tolerate and find another way. If we do this, enough times, it will become a habit, this is a great day; Quitter, Hill says, never wins, and a winner never quits.
Walking on foot is the best of the best, for men and women.
How do I know if a word is inspired ? when you say it or hear it, you lough or feel wonder and say to yourself talk about that ( bal waxaas ka warama), the son of the road.
Taking a nap in the middle day, or in the middle of the night, if your are night person, is refreshing and good for the heart; studies show, people who take naps, live longer.
Focus on things that you can do something about, smile to the rest from the heart and move on; learn the difference; make it a habit; remember, friends, habit formation requires more efforts than we think.
Listening to a great song, can make you creative; so, when working, listen to great song.
To do a beautiful work, we need to know what to do and how to do it; to get this knowledge, we need calm mind and loving heart. People do their best, they say, when they feel the best; the question, how to feel the best? One way to feel great is to be kind to yourself and to others: see all like yourself, equalization thesis. If you persist on this, a community will emerge that is a kind to one another. If not, you have done your part. In any case, having a warm heart, will allow you to do your creative work.
For those of you who are secular, use the law of attraction: what you sustain in your mind for an extended period of time, good or bad, or repeat them with intensity, either consciously or unconsciously, will sooner or later become physical things; focus and repeat with intensity positive thoughts, positive emotions and their physical counter parts will follow, just as shadow follows a walker under sunshine.
Avoid extremes, be it excitement or sleepiness, dwell on the middle way, you can prevent both by being desireless of every thing except that which matters to you from the bottom of your heart; you can get this consistently by being slow and attentive, make this a habit.
Writing ( either in your computer or on paper) your challenges and aspirations, both, in positive and good language, can help you feel better and sleep well. It is also great thing to do when you wake up. Make it a habit.
" I wish to convey the thought that all achievement, no matter what its nature or purpose, must begin with an intense, burning desire for something definite" Napoleon Hill
Healing work, sweetheart and virtuous( Ikhyaar) friends is indispensable to happy man and happy woman.
While strolling along the streets of Cairo, right after coming out from a prison, he saw a woman with unearthly beauty, begging. He could see from her face that she neither lost beauty nor passion for him, despite, years of wondering and begging; they lived happily here after. It is worthwhile to mention, this woman was responsible for his imprisonment, owing to his rejection to her advances. He accepted her now because Pharaoh has passed away long ago, and she was alone. Thus, he was loyal to his employer, while he was away.
If we find what makes us extremely happy and we are confident in our abilities to sustain them, we shall discuss soon how to develop this, then we are, already, located beyond our wildest imagination.
When we face obstacle along the way, one reaction is to quit and find easy and more enjoyable way; to get to where we wanted to go, we got to tolerate and find another way. If we do this, enough times, it will become a habit, this is a great day; Quitter, Hill says, never wins, and a winner never quits.
Walking on foot is the best of the best, for men and women.
How do I know if a word is inspired ? when you say it or hear it, you lough or feel wonder and say to yourself talk about that ( bal waxaas ka warama), the son of the road.
Taking a nap in the middle day, or in the middle of the night, if your are night person, is refreshing and good for the heart; studies show, people who take naps, live longer.
Focus on things that you can do something about, smile to the rest from the heart and move on; learn the difference; make it a habit; remember, friends, habit formation requires more efforts than we think.
Listening to a great song, can make you creative; so, when working, listen to great song.
To do a beautiful work, we need to know what to do and how to do it; to get this knowledge, we need calm mind and loving heart. People do their best, they say, when they feel the best; the question, how to feel the best? One way to feel great is to be kind to yourself and to others: see all like yourself, equalization thesis. If you persist on this, a community will emerge that is a kind to one another. If not, you have done your part. In any case, having a warm heart, will allow you to do your creative work.
For those of you who are secular, use the law of attraction: what you sustain in your mind for an extended period of time, good or bad, or repeat them with intensity, either consciously or unconsciously, will sooner or later become physical things; focus and repeat with intensity positive thoughts, positive emotions and their physical counter parts will follow, just as shadow follows a walker under sunshine.
Avoid extremes, be it excitement or sleepiness, dwell on the middle way, you can prevent both by being desireless of every thing except that which matters to you from the bottom of your heart; you can get this consistently by being slow and attentive, make this a habit.
Writing ( either in your computer or on paper) your challenges and aspirations, both, in positive and good language, can help you feel better and sleep well. It is also great thing to do when you wake up. Make it a habit.
" I wish to convey the thought that all achievement, no matter what its nature or purpose, must begin with an intense, burning desire for something definite" Napoleon Hill
Healing work, sweetheart and virtuous( Ikhyaar) friends is indispensable to happy man and happy woman.
While strolling along the streets of Cairo, right after coming out from a prison, he saw a woman with unearthly beauty, begging. He could see from her face that she neither lost beauty nor passion for him, despite, years of wondering and begging; they lived happily here after. It is worthwhile to mention, this woman was responsible for his imprisonment, owing to his rejection to her advances. He accepted her now because Pharaoh has passed away long ago, and she was alone. Thus, he was loyal to his employer, while he was away.
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Read the Hadith Books of Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan and Abu-Dawud, hadii aad rabtid philosophy.
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Dudaaye wrote:Read the Hadith Books of Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan and Abu-Dawud, hadii aad rabtid philosophy.
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
What's So Funny?
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
YouDudaaye wrote:What's So Funny?
Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
He is laughing at the poor confused person who thinks the Prophet's (PBUH) words and deeds are philosophically inclined.
Twisted Logic, what does he philosophisation on?
Twisted Logic, what does he philosophisation on?
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Padishah wrote:He is laughing at the poor confused person who thinks the Prophet's (PBUH) words and deeds are philosophically inclined.
High-5
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Islam is a complete and total way of life.Padishah wrote:He is laughing at the poor confused person who thinks the Prophet's (PBUH) words and deeds are philosophically inclined.
Twisted Logic, what does he philosophisation on?
Islam | History of philosophy
Imam al-Shaafa’i said: The people did not become ignorant and begin to differ until they abandoned Arabic terminology and adopted the terminology of Aristotle."
Then at the end of his life, al-Ghazzaali (may Allaah have mercy on him) came back to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. He focused on the Qur’aan and Sunnah and condemned ‘ilm al-kalaam and its proponents. He advised the ummah to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and to act in accordance with them, as was the way of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them and those who follow them in truth until the Day of Judgement). Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: After that he came back to the path of the scholars of hadeeth, and wrote Iljaam al-‘Awwaam ‘an ‘Ilm al-Kalaam.
(Majmoo Fataawa, part 4, p. 72)
A glance at Iljaam al-‘Awwaam ‘an ‘Ilm al-Kalaam will prove to us that he had indeed changed in many ways:
1 – In this book he advocated the belief of the salaf, and pointed out that the way of the salaf was the truth, and that whoever went against them was an innovator or follower of bid’ah.
2 – He emphatically denounced ta’weel (interpretation of the attributes of Allaah in a manner that differs from their apparent meaning). He advocated affirming the attributes of Allaah and not misinterpreting them in a manner that would lead to denying the attributes of Allaah.
3 – He emphatically denounced the scholars of ‘ilm al-kalaam and described all their principles and standards as “reprehensible innovations” which had harmed a great number of people and created trouble for the Muslims. He said: “The harm caused to a great number of people is something that has been seen, witnessed and experienced. The evil that has resulted since ‘ilm al-kalaam began has become widespread even though people at the time of the Sahaabah forbade that. This is also indicated by the fact that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahaabah, by consensus, did not follow the way of the scholars of ‘ilm al-kalaam when they produced arguments and evidence and analysis. That was not because they were incapable of doing so; if they had thought that was something good, they would have done it in the best manner, and they would have studied the matter hard, more than they did with regard to the division of the estate among the heirs (al-faraa’id).”
He also said: “The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) needed to prove the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the Jews and Christians, but they did not add anything to the evidence of the Qur’aan; they did not resort to arguments or lay down philosophical principles. That was because they knew that doing so would provoke trouble and cause confusion. Whoever is not convinced by the evidence of the Qur’aan will not be convinced by anything other than the sword, for there is no proof after the proof of Allaah.”
See Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali wa’l-Tasawwuf.
These are a few of the comments that trustworthy scholars have made about al-Ghazzaali (may Allaah have mercy on him). Perhaps this is enough for those who wish to be guided. And Allaah is the Guide to the straight path.
Early Islamic philosophy
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Early Muslim philosophy is considered influential in the rise of modern philosophy. Aquinas knew of at least some of the Mutazilite work and the Renaissance and the use of empirical methods were inspired at least in part by Muslim works taken in Spain in 1492. The outstanding achievements of early Muslims are:
* the development of a strict science of citation, the isnad or "backing"
* the development of a method of open inquiry to disprove claims, the ijtihad, which could be generally applied to many types of questions (although which to apply it to is an ethical question)
* willingness to both accept and challenge authority within the same process
* recognition that science and philosophy are both subordinate to morality, and that moral choices are prior to any investigation or concern with either.
Early Muslim philosophy can be starkly divided into four clear sets of influences, listed below.
Early Islamic philosophy - Muhammad
The life of Muhammad or sira which generated both the Qur'an (revelation) and hadith (his daily utterances and discourses on social and legal matters), during which philosophy was defined by acceptance or rejection of his message. Together the sira and hadith constitute the sunnah and are validated by isnad ("backing") to determine the likely truth of the report of any given saying of Muhammad. Key figures are Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Trimidhi, Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud and An-Nisai. Each sifted through literally millions of hadith to accept a list of under 10,000. This work, which was not completed until the 10th century, began shortly after The Farewell Sermon in 631, after which Muhammad could not mediate disputes. After his death Abu Bakr began to collect all fragments of his sayings. In this period, Muhammad was simply authority and philosophy distinguished from his personal style only by the revelation.
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Careys Ciise Kaarshe.

Careys Ciise Kaarshe.
Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
And thank God for that.Dudaaye wrote:Islam is a complete and total way of life.
This quotation might be true or not, but just to throw in a non-sequitor here and say that philosophisationing did not begin and end with Herr Aristotle.Dudaaye wrote:Imam al-Shaafa’i said: The people did not become ignorant and begin to differ until they abandoned Arabic terminology and adopted the terminology of Aristotle."
I'm unaware of any credible sources that make the claim that al Ghazzali was anything other than Ahl as Sunnah his entire adult life, unless the term has taken on a partisan meaning in the last few centuries.Dudaaye wrote:Then at the end of his life, al-Ghazzaali (may Allaah have mercy on him) came back to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah.
Dear, dear. Now I know your sources are bogus, to make such a resoundingly false claim without any semblance of proof.Dudaaye wrote:He focused on the Qur’aan and Sunnah and condemned ‘ilm al-kalaam and its proponents.
If I'm not mistaken, this paragraph seems to be making the claim that the Prophet's (PBUH) words and deeds are actually philosophy, but without any cogent argument to support the claim.Dudaaye wrote:The life of Muhammad or sira which generated both the Qur'an (revelation) and hadith (his daily utterances and discourses on social and legal matters), during which philosophy was defined by acceptance or rejection of his message. Together the sira and hadith constitute the sunnah and are validated by isnad ("backing") to determine the likely truth of the report of any given saying of Muhammad. Key figures are Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Trimidhi, Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud and An-Nisai. Each sifted through literally millions of hadith to accept a list of under 10,000. This work, which was not completed until the 10th century, began shortly after The Farewell Sermon in 631, after which Muhammad could not mediate disputes. After his death Abu Bakr began to collect all fragments of his sayings. In this period, Muhammad was simply authority and philosophy distinguished from his personal style only by the revelation.
I would urge you to look up the word philosophy in a dictionary, and supplement this with the Wikipedia entry.
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Twisted aka Cawar.....
Its a shame that u isaaq N a philosopher atheist.
Its a shame that u isaaq N a philosopher atheist.
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Re: My favorite Somali philosopher/thinker
Muhammed ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen is good beneficial easy-to-understand speaker. al-Albani is good in his discussions. If you want to learn how to discuss and argue, you go to al-Albani, rahimahullah.
Shaykh Abu Qatadah ('Umar Mahmud Abu 'Umar): unique vision, many liken to Sayyid Qutb. I think it's right to call him the 'Philosopher' of the Jihadi Movement today (as some journalists have).
Favorite Classical Scholar -- Ahmad Ibn Hanbal
And also I would say, Ibn Taymiyyah there was none like him, wallaahi.
And then his brilliant superb student - Ibn Al-Qayyim.
Shaykh Abu Qatadah ('Umar Mahmud Abu 'Umar): unique vision, many liken to Sayyid Qutb. I think it's right to call him the 'Philosopher' of the Jihadi Movement today (as some journalists have).
Favorite Classical Scholar -- Ahmad Ibn Hanbal
And also I would say, Ibn Taymiyyah there was none like him, wallaahi.
And then his brilliant superb student - Ibn Al-Qayyim.
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