I found a Somali rough sleeper last night and my colleague made an interesting point about mosques

[Timiro1999]

ILLAAHAY SWT, wuu naxsriis badan yahay waanu jecelyahay kuwii isu naxariista.
Wiilkaas somaliga ah ILLAAHAY ha u gargaaro oo dariiqa saxda ah ha tuso. Aamiin

Aamiin walaalo.
ilaahay adna qabyaalada hakaa fogeeyo

Aamiin shukran

[lifeisbloodyhard]

Tuushi- I know it's Ka Darag but she really does reminds me of Simply Serene.

I don`t think i know how Ka darag is to be honest.Simply is very private person generally and would never in a million years share things this girl has shared.

I need to be more private but let's not digress..

[zidane88]

Nowadays no one helps much the Homeless people, but you, as an individual, can help any homeless by giving whatever you can. Sadaqada ku dadaala walaalayaal waxaad Alle darti u baxsato wax kaa lumay ma aha. sadaqadu waa iney ahaata sir, kaga naxso ruuxa! isagoon kaa fileyn. Waxaan ka maqlay sheekh beri hore qofka dhibaateysan kaga farxi sadaqada. Waxaad baxsato waa wax berito (aakhiro) meel kuu yaala. If you start helping the poor you'll get accustomed. Walaahi Habit bey ii noqotey iminka. Sadaqada ku dadaala walaalayaal.

[gegiroor]

calm down people calm down.

The topic was about Churches Vs Mosques in terms of their outreach programmes. No need for people to get defensive about Muslims lagging behind their Christian counterparts. Muslims are all about fake bravado and putting up a front of piousness matched by a condescending holier than thou attitude. Apart from Tabliqi brothers who reach out to those in question and even helped many homeless, we have the salafis and their show-off-faith-of-front.

I see some people getting all worked up about the mosque been too sacred a place to consider those on the street. And suggestions to go seek a homeless shelter. A homeless shelter run (in All likelihood) by Christians. Mean while in the local Mosque of reer hebel its business as usual. The sheikh got it good. He has government funding, he has a share on single mothers hagbads, and a snitch for the local boys in blue.


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Tabliq Jam'at explained!

http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/Arti ... Jma'at.htm

[Tuushi]

[gegiroor]

What do you mean by member of a church? Mosques have money. Trust me. You clearly haven't seen East London Mosque and their Maryam Centre.

Where do they get the money if it is not voluntary donations from Muslims who pray in there? I think you're in a mission to scapegoat the mosque. The mission to help the homeless is a noble one, but you're going about the wrong way. You and other Muslims can band together and help the poor, collect funds for them, establish guest houses and places where they go and eat.

If your goal is why the mosque can't be like the church, it is not and shouldn't be. You don't pay to go to the mosque. Their resources are scarce, it is based on voluntary donations from ordinary Muslims like you and me, and they don't have lobby groups in the West who collect billions of USD from the treasury departments in the West. Churchs and synagogues do have those resources.

Again the Muslims in the West are also not an established societies like Christians and Jews. You don't have four or five-generations Muslims in the West. That means, they're limited in establishing well-established non-profit groups who help the poor. Majority of the Muslims today are new arrivals. They don't congregate in one area. And they don't have steady resources who can cover the cost of places where thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people eat, sleep, and take shower everyday. Be realistic in your expectations from Muslims in the West.

Let's agree to disagree.

Disagree on what though? Remember I stated helping the poor is a noble cause, and you and others, including the ones in thread who are asking too much from the mosque, can do the same thing that you're expecting from the Muslims who run things in the mosque. I just showed how the mosque can't be compared to a church, how we're not established societies and don't have powerful lobby groups in the west.

Again mosques are run by people like you and me. With limited resources, they do so much. For instance, I take my young daughter to an Islamic school in the nearest mosque to me on every Saturday and Sunday. I pay them $50 per month. It is used to cover the salary of the young Muslima who is teaching my daughter and other Muslim kids the Quran, Islamic way of life, and Arabic language. These are extra work the
mosque is doing. This building that was turned into a mosque was bought from a church. It took almost 2 years to pay it off. The imam and other Muslims had to travel from city to city in the USA to raise funds. I believe the building costed about a USD 670,000.

Now, if it takes almost 2 years to raise just $670K USD funds to buy a building where it is a mosque today, where are the resources to house, feed, and provide showers will come from for hundreds of homeless people? Blanket accusations and wildest expectations from poor immigrants like you and me can never help. If you want to know how the mosques operate, you need to get yourself involved or try to be closer to the people who run them.

Truth is, Many of the Muslims who work in the mosques in the West are doing the best they can with meager resources. I just don't understand how can one expect so much from them when you people pay at least 50% of your income for federal, state, city, and property taxes? Shouldn't the anger be devoted to the people who run governments? I think you and other Muslims who're advocating for this work should band together and setup a non-profit group that helps the poor and provides food, shelter, and places where the homeless that you loved so much can take shelter.

[jalaaludin5]

calm down people calm down.

The topic was about Churches Vs Mosques in terms of their outreach programmes. No need for people to get defensive about Muslims lagging behind their Christian counterparts. Muslims are all about fake bravado and putting up a front of piousness matched by a condescending holier than thou attitude. Apart from Tabliqi brothers who reach out to those in question and even helped many homeless, we have the salafis and their show-off-faith-of-front.

I see some people getting all worked up about the mosque been too sacred a place to consider those on the street. And suggestions to go seek a homeless shelter. A homeless shelter run (in All likelihood) by Christians. Mean while in the local Mosque of reer hebel its business as usual. The sheikh got it good. He has government funding, he has a share on single mothers hagbads, and a snitch for the local boys in blue.


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Tabliq Jam'at explained!

http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/Arti ... Jma'at.htm

It's obvious that was written by a Salafi and we all know that salafis are giving Islam a bad name.

Salafis are the cancer of of the Ummah with their futile attempt to try and bring about the coming of the Mahdi. They are Muslim by name and appearance but in actual fact serve as a vessel for the devil. Their answer to the many problems facing the ummah is balaclavas for their face, Allahu Akbar mantra ( using the same passion when slaughtering a goat a gaal or a muslim) and lack real conviction of what they profess in their desperation to pretend having truly understood Islam. They behave and act as if they have a blueprint to Allah's plan and intentions.

I use to be in the tabliqi but not anymore. I do appreciate their work and how they are constantly thinking of the muslim community.

Salafis it's better to be atheist, hindu or a devil worshiper than be associated with salafis cult.

wa bilahi tawfiq.
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[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Salafis it's better to be atheist, hindu or a devil worshiper than be associated with salafis cult.

war bal bariiga u yara qabo .. I like jamacatul tabliiq my only prb with them is that they dnt bother to call non believers to islam they put all their effort to muslims whichs good but our prophet did both of them.

[jalaaludin5]

Salafis it's better to be atheist, hindu or a devil worshiper than be associated with salafis cult.

war bal bariiga u yara qabo .. I like jamacatul tabliiq my only prb with them is that they dnt bother to call non believers to islam they put all their effort to muslims whichs good but our prophet did both of them.

That's because maybe Muslims are a terrible position and require urgent attentions?

They are not perfect but by God they try. Wale they do try and that alone deserve respect. They are in the community, on the street talking to young and old. Visiting the sick in hospital and Muslim homes for few good words of reminder.

What do Salafis do? They are walking gossip-magazine. They act as if they are Anointed ones. They are Poster boys for savagery and cult mentality.

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[Jugjugwacwac]

Jalaaludinow, wallee been maad sheegin. Salafis are a big problem.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Salafis it's better to be atheist, hindu or a devil worshiper than be associated with salafis cult.

war bal bariiga u yara qabo .. I like jamacatul tabliiq my only prb with them is that they dnt bother to call non believers to islam they put all their effort to muslims whichs good but our prophet did both of them.

That's because maybe Muslims are a terrible position and require urgent attentions?

They are not perfect but by God they try. Wale they do try and that alone deserve respect. They are in the community, on the street talking to young and old. Visiting the sick in hospital and Muslim homes for few good words of reminder.

What do Salafis do? They are walking gossip-magazine. They act as if they are Anointed ones. They are Poster boys for savagery and cult mentality.

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Regardless the state of our umah you can't be ignoring all these nonbelievers falling into jahamm! And remember what prophet said "if Allah's guides someone through you it's better for you than all that on earth, another riwaayah red camels" Anyhow I think both of these groups are doing something noble, one is calling non believers to islam the other is working for the betterment of our umah you and geg are doing nothing but criticizing, insulting and tafkiiriin

[lifeisbloodyhard]

This topic is still going on. :/

[gegiroor]

Salafi Muslims are today carrying the torch of Islam. You will never find Hanafi, Shafi'i, or Maliki Islamic scholars criticizing the Salafi scholars. Many people get confused om the war on Islam, and may incidents whose origins that we don't know. Many people believe the bogus media and the incidents they engineer - which are always blamed on innocent Muslims.

Truth is, in today's Muslims, you will only find amongst the Salafis people who have everything going for them in this life but have given up for the sake of Islam.

I always laugh at when I see other groups criticizing them when they are not doing any thing that benefits Islam or actually working for people who are at war with Islam.

As for Imaamul Mahdi, he will be a Muslim leader who will start a revolution in Medina, he will be given a hard time in Medina and will flee there. As soon as he is close to Mecca, people will come out of Mecca and make ba'a (pledge) with him. He will be leading an Islamic revolution that will destroy all of the fake monarchies, dictators, and fake borders in the Muslim world. The Sunni Muslim army from Khorasan (Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan, and Central Asia) will join him. Together they will launch the final liberation of the Holy Land (Masjid Al-Aqsa). After the 7 years of the revolution, Imaamul-Mehdi will die after the return of Prophet Issa Ibn Maryam (Peace be upon him). Prophet Issa (peace be upon him) will lead the Muslims at that time, and when Gog and Magog are destroyed through a divine intervention, the Islamic Khilafa will be restored in Betul-Maqdis. It will be led by Prophet Issa (pbuh), he will marry, and then die like a human being.

If you're a Muslim and don't believe in the eminence of Imaamul-Mehdi, you definitely belong to a bogus group

[lifeisbloodyhard]

Salafis it's better to be atheist, hindu or a devil worshiper than be associated with salafis cult.

war bal bariiga u yara qabo .. I like jamacatul tabliiq my only prb with them is that they dnt bother to call non believers to islam they put all their effort to muslims whichs good but our prophet did both of them.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

jal, it's cultural though. Christians little soft hearted than majority of muslims.

it's that self righteous mentality and holly than thou!! how some one who is doing such and such can come close to God's house. God left them in his universe and little or a lot providing them.

inshallah my first project will be feeding and sheltering homeless. my house in Vancouver is big enough can take 20 people.