WTF, Rendille people?

[AbdiWahab252]

Voltage are they the same as the Gabbra?

ES,

No, they are not the same group. The Gabbra are closer to the Boran.

[The_Patriot]

Voltage are they the same as the Gabbra?

ES,

No, they are not the same group. The Gabbra are closer to the Boran.

Gabra, Rendile are all closer to somalis than Boranas.
Rendile came from the taam Reer Dinlawa

[bareento]

Hello Snetters,

With the Rendilles and Gabras , we touch a very sensitive issue on Somali and Oromo identity.
The question is wats Somalinimmo and Oromumma? Is it a blood relation (having common ancestor) and/or aknowlodging assimilation

Because of Somalis recent history, Somali clans tend to see themselves as having a common ancestor, the founder of the clan (assimilation is not publicly aknowledged or practiced).

In the Oromo case, although the base of the identity is a common ancestor, assimilation is not taboe and widely practiced with some exceptions: the proper Boran case.

Take for instance the Gabra (the same was/is true for Rendille), they speak Oromo, worship Waaq, use the Gadaa system; they have all characteristics to be Oromo!
But yet one can say they r not Oromo: because they do not belong to one of the moiety (Boran and Bareento)....they have only "TIRRISO" connection with the Boran!

In conclusion some could perfectly pretend they r Oromos, others could perfectly say they r Somalis, based on different criterea kkkkk
The fact is that Boran rather use TIRRISO mechanism than adoption ....probably thats why they pretend being pure Oromo (if that ever existed)!

Peace

Bareento

[Voltage]

Hello Snetters,

With the Rendilles and Gabras , we touch a very sensitive issue on Somali and Oromo identity.
The question is wats Somalinimmo and Oromumma? Is it a blood relation (having common ancestor) and/or aknowlodging assimilation

What world do you live in? There has never been any "sensitive issue" on Somali identity. What Somalis have you met or literature on Somalis have you dealt with? Please bring it because I want to see it.

What is Somali and what is not is very easily defined and it is along the lines of Dir, Darood, Isaaq, Hawiye, and Raxanweyn are ethnic Somali. There is only one problem with the Garre (Garri) group who are divided into Garre of Afgooye who are under Raxanweyn and the Garre of Mandeera who although speaking Borana language never deny their ethnic Somali heritage.

The first time Gabbra have ever been synonymized with Somalis in my history of dealing with my people is in this topic and by this Bareento person. I met Gabbra's in Kenya. They call themselves "Orma".

As for Rendille, they speak a language that is a result of at least a thousand years of fission if Cushitic was a single language so what confusion can there be about a people whose language is as old as ours being Somali?

[bareento]

Hello Snetters,

With the Rendilles and Gabras , we touch a very sensitive issue on Somali and Oromo identity.
The question is wats Somalinimmo and Oromumma? Is it a blood relation (having common ancestor) and/or aknowlodging assimilation

What world do you live in? There has never been any "sensitive issue" on Somali identity. What Somalis have you met or literature on Somalis have you dealt with? Please bring it because I want to see it.

What is Somali and what is not is very easily defined and it is along the lines of Dir, Darood, Isaaq, Hawiye, and Raxanweyn are ethnic Somali. There is only one problem with the Garre (Garri) group who are divided into Garre of Afgooye who are under Raxanweyn and the Garre of Mandeera who although speaking Borana language never deny their ethnic Somali heritage.

The first time Gabbra have ever been synonymized with Somalis in my history of dealing with my people is in this topic and by this Bareento person. I met Gabbra's in Kenya. They call themselves "Orma".

As for Rendille, they speak a language that is a result of at least a thousand years of fission if Cushitic was a single language so what confusion can there be about a people whose language is as old as ours being Somali?

Hi Voltage,

I myself being a non Somali, I do not really want to get into this discussion.
I have no right to discuss who is Somali and who is not with a Somali person.Its a question of respect and courtesey.
I just wanted to point out that in some places and some times in history, this identity was something dynamic and moving...it by no means puts into question the identity of Somali nation!!!
Thats is why I took the exemple of the Gabra, 50 years ago they were perfectly identified to Borans(Oromo) and lately r being more and more identified to Somalis...in some years they will be totally assimilated into Somali nation, and a genealogy will come and legitimize their Somalinimmo.

As for Orma, they r perfectly Oromos mayhaps related with the Warday.

Anyway God knows the best

Peace

Bareento

[AbdiWahab252]

Bareento,

Forget the divisions and what not, and answer this question? When will the Oromo seize power in Ethiopia ?

[The_Patriot]

Bareento,

Forget the divisions and what not, and answer this question? When will the Oromo seize power in Ethiopia ?

Warya leave my friend Jeyna alone.

Barentu akam duftee
A/Wahab have some respect arent your cousins 1/2 Borana?

[AbdiWahab252]

Patriot,

Yes, they are. Thank you for reminding me to call them

[The_Patriot]

Patriot,

Yes, they are. Thank you for reminding me to call them

warya Oromo wa rageedha especially the Ittu may God bless them

[AbdiWahab252]

Patriot,

I like my Somali Abo

[Voltage]

A/Wahab have some respect arent your cousins 1/2 Borana?

Never underestimate Voltage.

I have always believed some part of Abdiwahab is Oromo. What kind of 30 year old Somali man born and raised in Africa speaks Somali like a baby?

[Voltage]

Thats is why I took the exemple of the Gabra, 50 years ago they were perfectly identified to Borans(Oromo) and lately r being more and more identified to Somalis...in some years they will be totally assimilated into Somali nation, and a genealogy will come and legitimize their Somalinimmo.

This is only a figment of your imagination. Daily I criticize my people for being zenophobic, racist, and hostile to all peoples and you are claiming the one ethnic group in the Horn of Africa which prizes pedigree and even has a little cast system on father descent is "assimilating" anyone particularly an known Oromo group. I do not know whether to laugh or not.

[AbdiWahab252]

Never underestimate your stupidity & intellectual laziness

[Voltage]

Abdiwahab, after going to Kenya I got to learn your reer abti and started appreciating them. I think it is what set me on the path of rethinking this whole baseless qabiil stuff. Why are you a grown man daily wallowing in it almost in a ceeb and reer baadiye fashion?

[bareento]

Bareento,

Forget the divisions and what not, and answer this question? When will the Oromo seize power in Ethiopia ?

Hi Abdulwahab,

Slowly but surely we will be free! Most of our internal problems r solved!!
our crucial problem is weaponry , it will be solved too
And the horn will enjoy our awakening to history, inshaa'allah

Peace

Bareento