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Re: The Right Wingers & Oligarchs are gunning for Venezuela. Poor vs US-Allied Rich Class!

Post by gurey25 »

FAH1223 wrote: Venezuela ditches the petro dollar.

Iraq and Libya style regime change coming
I dont think so, the usual tools the US uses are not as effective in venezuala.
The standards regime change method of operation in the US toolkit hasnt changed for decades.
They are sanctions both official and unofficial, as well as economic sabotage and manipulation.
A large propaganda and misinformation campaign is also to run at the same time.
When economic conditions are bad enough you then use your local agents to first bring people to the streets in demonstrations and riots and then you have snipers fire on them as well as the police to stir shit up.
This is when your agents in the security services and government launch a coup and take over and "restore Democracy".

In venzualas case supporting criminal gangs to undermine the police is also in play,
murder rates , bank robberies and outright terrorism by criminal gangs is paralyzing the police.

The reason why Venezuala hasnt folded yet is that the US's local agents, the upper class comparador elite that have run the country over 150 years, and were subservient to first London banking interests and the fully under US control after the 1890's are just too weak.

Without capable local agents you will need to invade with an army , and the reason why Venezuala is in shit right now is because the Maduro government is playing by the rules.
Maduro actually believes in democracy and freedom of expression and is generally a nice guy who hates conflict and killing.
He is also naive and ignorant of how an economy works or finance and international trade.

If you are familiar with game of thrones or the books , Maduro is just like Tytos Lannister, Tywin Lanninsters father that was too nice and incompetent.
Before Chavez died he created millitias manned by revolutionaries and the army is full of revolutionaries
so much so that pro-US officers are scared shitless, if they are forced to try a coup by the CIA,
the counter coup will be viscous. If the US succeeds in a non-millitary political coup and remove Maduro,
the rest of his government are full of blood thirsty Tywin lannisters and there will be a blood bath.

The disparity of forces is so great, all pro-US factions will be wiped out in less than a week,
this is way too soon for the US to intervene.
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Re: The Right Wingers & Oligarchs are gunning for Venezuela. Poor vs US-Allied Rich Class!

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gurey25 wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:20 pm
FAH1223 wrote: Venezuela ditches the petro dollar.

Iraq and Libya style regime change coming
I dont think so, the usual tools the US uses are not as effective in venezuala.
The standards regime change method of operation in the US toolkit hasnt changed for decades.
They are sanctions both official and unofficial, as well as economic sabotage and manipulation.
A large propaganda and misinformation campaign is also to run at the same time.
When economic conditions are bad enough you then use your local agents to first bring people to the streets in demonstrations and riots and then you have snipers fire on them as well as the police to stir shit up.
This is when your agents in the security services and government launch a coup and take over and "restore Democracy".

In venzualas case supporting criminal gangs to undermine the police is also in play,
murder rates , bank robberies and outright terrorism by criminal gangs is paralyzing the police.

The reason why Venezuala hasnt folded yet is that the US's local agents, the upper class comparador elite that have run the country over 150 years, and were subservient to first London banking interests and the fully under US control after the 1890's are just too weak.

Without capable local agents you will need to invade with an army , and the reason why Venezuala is in shit right now is because the Maduro government is playing by the rules.
Maduro actually believes in democracy and freedom of expression and is generally a nice guy who hates conflict and killing.
He is also naive and ignorant of how an economy works or finance and international trade.

If you are familiar with game of thrones or the books , Maduro is just like Tytos Lannister, Tywin Lanninsters father that was too nice and incompetent.
Before Chavez died he created millitias manned by revolutionaries and the army is full of revolutionaries
so much so that pro-US officers are scared shitless, if they are forced to try a coup by the CIA,
the counter coup will be viscous. If the US succeeds in a non-millitary political coup and remove Maduro,
the rest of his government are full of blood thirsty Tywin lannisters and there will be a blood bath.

The disparity of forces is so great, all pro-US factions will be wiped out in less than a week,
this is way too soon for the US to intervene.
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Re: The Right Wingers & Oligarchs are gunning for Venezuela. Poor vs US-Allied Rich Class!

Post by KingMX »

original dervish wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:23 am We have far too much on our plate to be bothered about Venezuela.
Let them hold their own nuts. :)
Farmaajo needs to go there and form diplomatic ties :lol:
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Re: The Right Wingers & Oligarchs are gunning for Venezuela. Poor vs US-Allied Rich Class!

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gurey25 wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:20 pm
FAH1223 wrote: Venezuela ditches the petro dollar.

Iraq and Libya style regime change coming
I dont think so, the usual tools the US uses are not as effective in venezuala.
The standards regime change method of operation in the US toolkit hasnt changed for decades.
They are sanctions both official and unofficial, as well as economic sabotage and manipulation.
A large propaganda and misinformation campaign is also to run at the same time.
When economic conditions are bad enough you then use your local agents to first bring people to the streets in demonstrations and riots and then you have snipers fire on them as well as the police to stir shit up.
This is when your agents in the security services and government launch a coup and take over and "restore Democracy".

In venzualas case supporting criminal gangs to undermine the police is also in play,
murder rates , bank robberies and outright terrorism by criminal gangs is paralyzing the police.

The reason why Venezuala hasnt folded yet is that the US's local agents, the upper class comparador elite that have run the country over 150 years, and were subservient to first London banking interests and the fully under US control after the 1890's are just too weak.

Without capable local agents you will need to invade with an army , and the reason why Venezuala is in shit right now is because the Maduro government is playing by the rules.
Maduro actually believes in democracy and freedom of expression and is generally a nice guy who hates conflict and killing.
He is also naive and ignorant of how an economy works or finance and international trade.

If you are familiar with game of thrones or the books , Maduro is just like Tytos Lannister, Tywin Lanninsters father that was too nice and incompetent.
Before Chavez died he created millitias manned by revolutionaries and the army is full of revolutionaries
so much so that pro-US officers are scared shitless, if they are forced to try a coup by the CIA,
the counter coup will be viscous. If the US succeeds in a non-millitary political coup and remove Maduro,
the rest of his government are full of blood thirsty Tywin lannisters and there will be a blood bath.

The disparity of forces is so great, all pro-US factions will be wiped out in less than a week,
this is way too soon for the US to intervene.
This is interesting. I bet they did the same in Libya.
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Re: The Right Wingers & Oligarchs are gunning for Venezuela. Poor vs US-Allied Rich Class!

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Interesting.
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