What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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Re: What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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[quote="gurey25"]for the rest of us.
the chief heyna was already in the presedential palace.[/quote]


yes except history is our only arbiter. Somalis can't have it both ways.

If Somalia improved post-Siad then you know very well would have heard a lot about how Siad Barre was dragging the country down and an example of better people could do.

As for the post-77 breakdown, this is something characteristic of hyenas to attack when you're weakest and it's something they did which probably forced a war of attrition btwn M Siad Barre back and forth.

Now though he is used as an scapegoat after all these groups failed their people miserably and their true colors came out. I'm not saying there weren't legitimate grievances, but those legitimate grievances of the average person were hijacked by the political elites of each tribe and they used the average person.

As for Siad Barre using tribes against each other, that is absolutely ridiculous tribal warfare and animosity is not something he taught the Somali people, it was something ingrained in people and he succeeded in pacifying it for a while.

You could compare Somalia post-91 to post-Saddam Iraq. It's becoming clearer that Saddam Hussein despite all his flaws was one of the only things that was holding the country together. I don't even think Saddam was that bad but he didn't do a well enough job of containing his subordinates who terrorized the people, but that is so impossible for 1 person to do.

The violence he was forced to commit seems almost necessarily now to avoid the kind of bloodbath Iraq is seeing now. Interesting parallels.

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Sxb you can't be taken seriously Laughing b/c you contradict yourself from 1 wk to another..........1 week you are cursing the '60s "Musuq Masuq" and the next week you are trying to praise it.......you are so politically opportunist it's not even funny Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Re: What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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Greed for power,african habit of currupt leadership, lack of equality between clans(which was inevitably going to backfire), ETC !
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Re: What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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people keep blaming him after 17 years. wo idinka taghayey dowlad noqda. At least when he was there Somalia had a goverment and passport that was respected. Hadana kowo imanka la' ba raba iney hatta meydadka madah o noqdan.
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Re: What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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Ican, its funny how you continue to duck me and Koronto's question(s). Time and time again, we ask you your reasoning behind railing against MSB, yet supporting the TFG. Which brings me to your lame attempt to disguise your true stance. In your attempt to paint yourself, in a different light than a champion of Majerten "domination" of Somalia, you sink to new lows and actually make yourself look even stupider. So you tell me you don't support Abdullahi Yusf necessairly but you support the "concept" of the TFG. So considering your "anti-tyranny" personna, you somehow find it O.K to incorporate the likes of Qeybadid, Mohamed Dhere, and all these other true war criminals into the Government, yet harsly condemn MSB. Your hate and disdain for MSB, leads you to love these traitors who will sell out their people at the beckoning of a buck? Your pathetic. Whats worse, you don't even have a stance, and don't have the courage to express your true viewpoints. However, without even saying it, you've made yourself very clear: By supporting this grouping of criminals as a more viable solution than MSB, your really saying that you advocate anybody that will support your Adeer being in power.

Now to all the other logical debaters on this forum, lets discuss the whole issue of "stepping down". Before I begin, let me tell you that yes: I'm Marehan, however I'm not here to tell you that MSB was the Mahdi. He was human, and made a lot of crucial errors. He was the president of the country, and presidents come and go. Thats normal. His time was coming up one way or another. However when you say he should have "handed over power", I beg of you one question: To whom? There was no other orginized figure, or political party that had an agenda, or plan for Somalia. All the political advasareys that MSB could have handed power over to, had no other agenda or plan other than advancing their clan. Lets take a close look at who would have taken over: Abdullahi Yusuf: A guy who was instrumental to Ethiopia's current occupation. Caydid, a man who was way more nationalistic than AY, but who's political agenda included wiping out an entire conglomeration of clans (Darood). Now, would all the logical akhiar of this forum, really believe that these men (or parties), provided better alternatives to MSB then himself? When you replace something, you replace it with something better. MSB was wanted out, however nobody had a national strategy, or plan for Somalia to move forward. Wallahi I'm not lying, but if Caydid or anybody else were to take power, and have SOME sort of idea how to run a country, I would support them wholeheartedly. So I agree with Gedoboy's assertion 100%, that there was absolutely no outlet for MSB to hand power over to, without Somalia decending into the same chaos as we're currently in.

On a side note, there is no doubt that after MSB's accident, he and his Dawlad weren't quite the same. But thats another story.
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Re: What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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Very good points were raised by most forumers. I deem this topic a necessary discussion, because Siyad Bare's downfall is what produced Somalia's current situation.
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Re: What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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LuqGanane

Cabdilaahi Yuusuf didnt bring Ethiopians to Somalia. The Wadaads brought Ethiopians to Somalia.

And if Caydiid was a great Somali nationalist why did he cooperate with Ethiopia to attack his own country?
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Re: What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

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[quote="Cilmiile"]LuqGanane

Cabdilaahi Yuusuf didnt bring Ethiopians to Somalia. The Wadaads brought Ethiopians to Somalia.

And if Caydiid was a great Somali nationalist why did he cooperate with Ethiopia to attack his own country?[/quote]

Good points. This guy really should have been waxed, back in the day by MSB. Worst thing to happen to Somalis by far. He along with Hawiyes uncivilized character they displayed after '91, assures them that they will never have any real influence, or position of leadership in Somalia again.
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