Viscious, AbdiJ, USB and other Atheist - Come Here

[Casanova25]

I think you misunderstood things about Islam cuz all sins can be forgiven no matter what except shirk.

All sins that has something to do with female are just mans act and nothing serious compared to disbelieve or leaving Islam like you did here.

Am i the one who wrote the Hadith? Or is it because you do not agree with the teaching? Will you change the hadith just because it does not agree with your belief?

Do not be mislead by internet Sheikhs. Read for yourself you will see that those that boast of their personal sins will NOT be forgiven. Same thing with those that leave Islam. Even if the come back, they will NEVER be forgiven.

loooooool... maybe thats why you don't wanna come back? listen if you come back and repent you will be forgiven trust me and don't make islam to be like some kind of non-forgiving faith.

my sins will be insha-allah forgiven and can be forgiven and so do your sins as well.

[BeyondQabil]

loooooool... maybe thats why you don't wanna come back? listen if you come back and repent you will be forgiven trust me and don't make islam to be like some kind of non-forgiving faith.

my sins will be insha-allah forgiven and can be forgiven and so do your sins as well.

Is this a laughing matter then? I thought i was the troll

Then tell me what you get from the hadith...

Don't you believe what it says? You either believe what it says or you don't. You cannot "Pick and choose"

My sins were forgiven a long time ago, and i was given victory over sin:

There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[visious]

These questions are pretty one sided but I will answer anyway


a. Do "these things" (ignorance, intelligence, and rebelliousness) exist? YES
b. Have your ever tasted, seen, felt, smelt, or heard them? NO, these things are an acquired asset and are rarely natural.
c. Do you still limit your belief to only things that you can taste, see, feel, smell, or hear? Yes, because people who have these acquired assets can be seen crystal clear by everyone and anyone.

The difference between Intelligence / Ignorance/ rebelliousness and God is that unlike God you can study those things, you can also observe them using a social / psychological experiment, You can find the cause of these behaviors and the reason people tend to have those assets but you can never find the cause of God or (as claimed by many religious books ) why He chooses to do what he does.

[Casanova25]

You have misunderstood something the same sin can be forgiven again if you ask for a sincere forgiveness. Allah says he forgives all sins except shirk and stop taking hadith out of context. the true meaning is that your dua of that night would become invalid but you can sincerely repent from that same sin again.

[BeyondQabil]

These questions are pretty one sided but I will answer anyway


a. Do "these things" (ignorance, intelligence, and rebelliousness) exist? YES
b. Have your ever tasted, seen, felt, smelt, or heard them? NO, these things are an acquired asset and are rarely natural.
c. Do you still limit your belief to only things that you can taste, see, feel, smell, or hear? Yes, because people who have these acquired assets can be seen crystal clear by everyone and anyone.

The difference between Intelligence / Ignorance/ rebelliousness and God is that unlike God you can study those things, you can also observe them using a social / psychological experiment, You can find the cause of these behaviors and the reason people tend to have those assets but you can never find the cause of God or (as claimed by many religious books ) why He chooses to do what he does.

You say they are one sided - how?

(Let's leave God's existence for a for a minute - the one in blue.) Now, assume that I am a person who will ONLY believe something if i can taste, see, smell, hear or touch it. Can you prove to me that Rebelliousness, Ignorance, and Intelligence exist?

[visious]

Yes they exist and yes they can be observed . You can hear the ignorant and see the rebellious and the intelligent

[BeyondQabil]

Yes they exist and yes they can be observed . You can hear the ignorant and see the rebellious and the intelligent

Why are you changing goal posts?...I am not talking about the rebellious - I am talking about rebellion. I am not talking about the Intelligent, I am talking about Intelligence. I am not talking about the Ignorant, I am talking about Ignorance.

At one time, you are saying that ignorance cannot be seen, an dthe next time you are trying to make it look like ignorance can be seen. Don't you see that you are being Willfully Ignorant exactly the way Peter describes it?

[TATI]

BeyondQabil (a somali, im guessing) is washed in the blood of the lamb ..... hallelujah

[visious]

okay this is getting us no where. fine you cant see/hear intelligence but you can see its effect and what it does clearly.

what does this have to do with God though? this was a debate about him right

[BeyondQabil]

okay this is getting us no where. fine you cant see/hear intelligence but you can see its effect and what it does clearly.

what does this have to do with God though? this was a debate about him right

Thank you...you can't see Intelligence. But you can ascribe to it some effects...so even though you can't see intelligence, you can see a guy who is intelligent getting 200 in an IQ test. Same thing with ignorance, and love and hate and anger. they manifest themselves in certain ways. That's why you indicated that they can be tested in social experiments.

Is this not the same thing when it comes to this verse

Romans 1: 18-22 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it unto them. For THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and deity; so that they are without excuse: Because, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Don't you think that someone who sees the effects of intelligence, but denies the existence of intelligence is being willfully ignorant and is without excuse? Don't you see that God has manifested himself in creation?
Why would you use different standards for finding God from those that you use for finding Intelligence and other abstract nouns?

[AbdiJohnson]

Of all people, I have to explain my beliefs to a effin' Christian. A freaking Christian

I am,

Abdi "Its madness" Johnson

[visious]

okay this is getting us no where. fine you cant see/hear intelligence but you can see its effect and what it does clearly.

what does this have to do with God though? this was a debate about him right

Thank you...you can't see Intelligence. But you can ascribe to it some effects...so even though you can't see intelligence, you can see a guy who is intelligent getting 200 in an IQ test. Same thing with ignorance, and love and hate and anger. they manifest themselves in certain ways. That's why you indicated that they can be tested in social experiments.

Is this not the same thing when it comes to this verse

Romans 1: 18-22 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it unto them. For THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and deity; so that they are without excuse: Because, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Don't you think that someone who sees the effects of intelligence, but denies the existence of intelligence is being willfully ignorant and is without excuse? Don't you see that God has manifested himself in creation?
Why would you use different standards for finding God from those that you use for finding Intelligence and other abstract nouns?

wait!! Please explain "The effect of God"

[Reacher]

BeyondQabiil,


If you believe God can do as he pleases, then forgiving an errant servant(a confessed sinner) who acknowledges God's existence and does repent accordingly, can be granted a new leaf. Islam teaches that God isn't interested in punishing a person for the sake of punishment. Man is free to act on his own will, yet God knows how each person will act since God is knowledge is timeless and the future to him is the same as the present. He can see all. That doesn't mean one should be discouraged by what may or may not be written for them as their final destiny and fate. You try your best, acknowledge your weaknesses, seek repentance, take a corrective action, you fall you get up, that is what being human means. If God wanted mankind to be perfect, then the challenge of living up to the promises they make to him as believers wouldn't be there, because people are perfect and won't fail.

God can forgive a publicly confessed sinner although that is discouraged by the Hadith you quoted. Bottom line is that God can forgive and wipe the books for anyone whom he is pleased with, and no one can argue with that as he has the final say on man's fate.



Adiga diintee haysataa? your knowledge of Christianity goes deeper than the average Christian.

[BeyondQabil]

okay this is getting us no where. fine you cant see/hear intelligence but you can see its effect and what it does clearly.

what does this have to do with God though? this was a debate about him right

Thank you...you can't see Intelligence. But you can ascribe to it some effects...so even though you can't see intelligence, you can see a guy who is intelligent getting 200 in an IQ test. Same thing with ignorance, and love and hate and anger. they manifest themselves in certain ways. That's why you indicated that they can be tested in social experiments.

Is this not the same thing when it comes to this verse

Romans 1: 18-22 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it unto them. For THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and deity; so that they are without excuse: Because, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Don't you think that someone who sees the effects of intelligence, but denies the existence of intelligence is being willfully ignorant and is without excuse? Don't you see that God has manifested himself in creation?
Why would you use different standards for finding God from those that you use for finding Intelligence and other abstract nouns?

wait!! Please explain "The effect of God"

the creator is seen in ALL creation...the effect of the CREATOR is the CREATION.

[BeyondQabil]

Of all people, I have to explain my beliefs to a effin' Christian. A freaking Christian

I am,

Abdi "Its madness" Johnson

Nope - you aren't explaining ANYTHING to ME. Nothing. It was a simple debate...in any case, you do not need to explain to anybody why you believe what you believe.