MY 23ANDME DNA RESULTS.

[Itrah]

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jalaaludin5,

Maybe of interest to you, they tested 40 Somali Djiboutians with all four grandparents born in Djibouti (so no immigrants). Results were only 25% E1b1b, all of the V32 kind. The other 75% one may assume to be T1.

See link:
http://ethiohelix.blogspot.com/2015/06/ ... a-e3b.html

There was no overlap between the Afar Djiboutians and Somali Djiboutians. Very interesting, imo.

[zumaale]

Jalaman

Saaxib, its about lineage, not dividing anyone. The whole concept of Qabil is built on the idea of shared paternal ancestry. If me and Armaan or Kareem turn out to belong to different haplogroups, then we ain't connected by a common bloodline.

[theyuusuf143]

DNA or appearance differences does not change qabil structure. Qabiils are unified alliances who share not only blood but many other unique elements.

[Itrah]

DNA or appearance differences does not change qabil structure. Qabiils are unified alliances who share not only blood but many other unique elements.

Qabiil is purely genetic.

[zumaale]

DNA or appearance differences does not change qabil structure. Qabiils are unified alliances who share not only blood but many other unique elements.

Yusuf, DNA results of individuals contradicts your statement, especially on a subclan level.

Qabil will lose all meaning to me if it is not supported by scientific evidence. If most of my clan are not related to me by blood, I am marrying a Berber woman from the Atlas mountains and identifying as a Moroccan. I'll start a Zumaale Qabil there lol.

[thegoodshepherd]

If your qabiil is not uniform (at least 80% with the same haplogroup) then it is just aruursi not abtirsi. Even then having the same haplogroup is not enough and they must all share a common ancestor. We already know that the four big clans are not uniform in ydna haplogroups, I am waiting to see if subclans are uniform.

The reason I used 80% is because women cheat and over the generations bastards start to multiply.

[jalaaludin5]

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jalaaludin5,

Maybe of interest to you, they tested 40 Somali Djiboutians with all four grandparents born in Djibouti (so no immigrants). Results were only 25% E1b1b, all of the V32 kind. The other 75% one may assume to be T1.

See link:
http://ethiohelix.blogspot.com/2015/06/ ... a-e3b.html

There was no overlap between the Afar Djiboutians and Somali Djiboutians. Very interesting, imo.

That doesn't apply to me. My parents hail from Somaliland.

Jalaman

Saaxib, its about lineage, not dividing anyone. The whole concept of Qabil is built on the idea of shared paternal ancestry. If me and Armaan or Kareem turn out to belong to different haplogroups, then we ain't connected by a common bloodline.

Hang on a second. Are you telling me a test can change how you see Armaan? Will Xawaadle in Hiiraan spare him if he got a print out of his test result?

All this test is nothing but a new craze that people will grow out of soon.
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[Itrah]

If your qabiil is not uniform (at least 80% with the same haplogroup) then it is just aruursi not abtirsi. Even then having the same haplogroup is not enough and they must all share a common ancestor. We already know that the four big clans are not uniform in ydna haplogroups, I am waiting to see if subclans are uniform.

The reason I used 80% is because women cheat and over the generations bastards start to multiply.

The problem with the current state of commercial genetic testing is that their common haplogroup tests don't go any deeper than about 10,000 BC. It is actually very useless for 'proving' sub-clans.

The complete Y-Chromosome tests cost about $1000 and they can proof the existence of sub-clans up to the past 300 years, but that's too expensive for most. In a few years the price will probably fall to about $100.

[zumaale]

If your qabiil is not uniform (at least 80% with the same haplogroup) then it is just aruursi not abtirsi. Even then having the same haplogroup is not enough and they must all share a common ancestor. We already know that the four big clans are not uniform in ydna haplogroups, I am waiting to see if subclans are uniform.

The reason I used 80% is because women cheat and over the generations bastards start to multiply.

D-block are relatively uniform dude. Take the ones on Snet, overwhelmingly E-V32.

Even on 23andme relative finder, Itrah, Chinaman and Co have found the vast majority of Daroods to be E-V32.

Non uniformity is most likely down to distant adoptions and sheegads rather than extramarital affairs.

[zumaale]

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jalaaludin5,

Maybe of interest to you, they tested 40 Somali Djiboutians with all four grandparents born in Djibouti (so no immigrants). Results were only 25% E1b1b, all of the V32 kind. The other 75% one may assume to be T1.

See link:
http://ethiohelix.blogspot.com/2015/06/ ... a-e3b.html

There was no overlap between the Afar Djiboutians and Somali Djiboutians. Very interesting, imo.

That doesn't apply to me. My parents hail from Somaliland.

Jalaman

Saaxib, its about lineage, not dividing anyone. The whole concept of Qabil is built on the idea of shared paternal ancestry. If me and Armaan or Kareem turn out to belong to different haplogroups, then we ain't connected by a common bloodline.

Hang on a second. Are you telling me a test can change how you see Armaan? Will Xawaadle in Hiiraan spare him if he got a print out of his test result?

All this test is nothing but a new craze that people will grow out of soon.
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If Armaan ain't T haplogroup we do not share the same Awoowo, no ifs or buts. I am very certain that will not be the case. Sheegads abound in the million plus clans but Surres are easily accounted for.

Anyway, Armaan is a Mudugian, not a Reer Hiiraan. Neither am I a Hiiraanian.

[Itrah]

D-block are relatively uniform dude. Take the ones on Snet, overwhelmingly E-V32.

Even on 23andme relative finder, Itrah, Chinaman and Co have found the vast majority of Daroods to be E-V32.

Non uniformity is most likely down to distant adoptions and sheegads rather than extramarital affairs.

Yeah, but it does not mean the clan is actually real as V32 is too high in Somalis in general.
There could be Hawiye, Oromo, Habash, Darod, Raxanweyn specific sub-clades of it. Until that is researched properly it still does not 100% prove the Darod clan.

The Isaaq clan already has been exposed based on the T1 & E-V32 discrepancy, and the other clans may be exposed as fake with better technology.

[LobsterUnit]

Ex marital affairs would have been and still are extremely in a largely nomadic population.

t haplogroup is apparently prevalent amongst elite marathon runners. Mo Farah is allegedly t with a little of spinach and steroids.allegedly.

[theyuusuf143]

DNA or appearance differences does not change qabil structure. Qabiils are unified alliances who share not only blood but many other unique elements.

Yusuf, DNA results of individuals contradicts your statement, especially on a subclan level.

Qabil will lose all meaning to me if it is not supported by scientific evidence. If most of my clan are not related to me by blood, I am marrying a Berber woman from the Atlas mountains and identifying as a Moroccan. I'll start a Zumaale Qabil there lol.

Qabiil is purely genetic.

Major high end qabiils are mostly based on mixed genetic and myth foundations. myth is Even stronger qabil pillar than blood. For example no Sceintific evidence can exclude habarjeclo from isaaq even if we have different DNA from the rest of isaaq its completely impossible. Same goes to other Somali clans. Qabiil meaning Is not about DNA culture or religion. Its about Tolniimo.

[jalaaludin5]

Someone who discriminate along qabiil line is a qabilist.

You guys are doing it along haplogroup. Which makes you guys. ...Haplogroupist.
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And the biggest Haplogroupists are....Itrah and Zumaale.

[zumaale]

D-block are relatively uniform dude. Take the ones on Snet, overwhelmingly E-V32.

Even on 23andme relative finder, Itrah, Chinaman and Co have found the vast majority of Daroods to be E-V32.

Non uniformity is most likely down to distant adoptions and sheegads rather than extramarital affairs.

Yeah, but it does not mean the clan is actually real as V32 is too high in Somalis in general.
There could be Hawiye, Oromo, Habash, Darod, Raxanweyn specific sub-clades of it. Until that is researched properly it still does not 100% proof the Darod clan.

The Isaaq clan already has been exposed based on the T1 & E-V32 discrepancy, and the other clans may be exposed as fake with better technology.

The respective percentages of T and E-V32 among Isaaqs has not been confirmed. Considering that Garxajis are by far the largest subclan and T is also found among Habarjeclos, Isaaqs could potentially be 70 percent T.

Moreover, if you combine Isaaq, Ciise, Gadabursi, Surre etc as one unit, I would bet they would as a whole will be predominately T.