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Re: I started a blog about Somali history

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The_Emperior5 wrote:Axmed guray is the most controversial character in Somali history and is the Most Import History Somalis Claim, As for Ahmed Ibrahim Al ghazi and his Abtirsi is also very Controversial. Also James dhal the Name Garaad is just a title it could be any one the Geri were the first to use the title Garaad.
Garaad is a title I find very interesting because it was also the title of the leader of the Hadiyya Muslim kingdom. Empress Eeleeni, the stepmother of Leebnaa Deengeel was a daugher of Garaad Mehmad, the ruler of the Hadiyya country, and was a Muslim until she converted to Christianity to marry Empress Zaaraa Yacquub. The Hadiyya are a somewhat forgotten people, they are a highland people who also in the ancient past worshipped Waaq, speak a language distantly related to Oromo and Somali, and also became Muslims and fought against the Abyssinian kingdom before the time of Axmed Gureey. It seems to be one of the original titles of Muslim "Berber" peoples.

XimanJaale: The Mareexaan definitely have a large role in the history of Adal, but the Garaad of Mareexaan during the time of the Iimaam was Garaad Xiraabo (aka Hirabu) and then his son Garaad Axmed. The Iimaam is descended from Garaad Ibrahiim "Cadaadshe" and his brother was Garaad Abuun, who are the ancestors of the Reer Garaad of another clan. It is absolutely true that Ina Nuur did became Amir of Harar after the failure of the conquest, but that was due to his own merits, not because of family connections, though he did shore those up by marrying the widow of the Iimaam and daughter of the old Amir, del-Wambara Maxfuuz.
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Re: I started a blog about Somali history

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James ur blog is good i will visit it post more man

SahanGalbeed wrote:
seemeyer wrote:James nick name in Somali is naaneys,not naynaas :up:
:lol: , the southerners say that , naynaas

yeah rite :lol: we say naaneys sxb
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Re: I started a blog about Somali history

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ciyaal_warta wrote:
SahanGalbeed wrote:
seemeyer wrote:James nick name in Somali is naaneys,not naynaas :up:
:lol: , the southerners say that , naynaas

yeah rite :lol: we say naaneys sxb
Hmm dialect difference?
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Re: I started a blog about Somali history

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James are u sure that u are talking about the same tribes, when u identify the tribes of then (16 century) to current day clans.
For instance at that time one somali clan's chief was "Hirabu bin Goita Tedros bin Adam"; this hardly sounds somali name. Goita and teodros sound highland Wallo or Tigray to my ears.

Either at the time somalis were semetic people or somalis were mercenaries fighting under the leadership of Adal aristocratie..
What is your take?

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James Dahl stop making up fake abtirsi for Imam Ahmed Ibrahiim Al Ghazi. I have readed the whole book of Futah Al Habash nowhere did it mention him being Somali let alone a clan. However there was another Ahmed Gurey that goes by the Ahmed Gurey Husayn and he was described as the leader from the Habar Magaadle (Isaaq) Somalis.
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Re: I started a blog about Somali history

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James Dahl wrote:
ciyaal_warta wrote:
SahanGalbeed wrote: :lol: , the southerners say that , naynaas

yeah rite :lol: we say naaneys sxb
Hmm dialect difference?

u can pronoun it as naaneys too but its naaneys whether in south or north


the think with soomaali language is many pple write is as the pronounce the word..so the writting sometimes is different
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Re: I started a blog about Somali history

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now,we we are in a fight who to claim AHMED GUREY. :lol:
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HaragWafi85 wrote:James Dahl stop making up fake abtirsi for Imam Ahmed Ibrahiim Al Ghazi. I have readed the whole book of Futah Al Habash nowhere did it mention him being Somali let alone a clan. However there was another Ahmed Gurey that goes by the Ahmed Gurey Husayn and he was described as the leader from the Habar Magaadle (Isaaq) Somalis.
The Garaad of Habar Magadle in this time was a man named Daa'uud, not Axmed. This is in the Futuux al-Xabasha.
bareento wrote:James are u sure that u are talking about the same tribes, when u identify the tribes of then (16 century) to current day clans.
For instance at that time one somali clan's chief was "Hirabu bin Goita Tedros bin Adam"; this hardly sounds somali name. Goita and teodros sound highland Wallo or Tigray to my ears.

Either at the time somalis were semetic people or somalis were mercenaries fighting under the leadership of Adal aristocratie..
What is your take?

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It's Xiraabo Cali Aadan, Cali had the alternate name "Goyta Tedros" or "Lord Theodore", this was probably given to him by the Abyssinian Kingdom for reasons unknown, but Adal was a vassal of Abyssinia in the generations prior to Axmed Gureey, so maybe Xiraabo's father got the title in that time.
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It's chieftain of Habar Magaadle not Garaad. Here is a direct quote from Futah al Habash. The difference is the Ahmed Gurey Husayn that is Habar Magaadle - Isaaq they describe him as the Somali, were's the other Ahmed Gurey ( Imam Ahmed Ibrahiim Al Ghazi) is simply described as the Imam. And nowhere does it mention him being Somali unlike the Ahmed Gurey Husayn of the Habar Magaadle.

"The first of the tribes to reach the imam was Habr Maqdi (Habar Magaadi) with their lord and chieftain Ahmad Girri bin Husain, the Somali"
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Ah you are right, another Garaad to try and trace heheh.

English translations of the Futuux al-Xabasha translate "al-Jaraad" (Garaad) to "chieftain".
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From what i have seen in the book there is many Garaads of different clans like that of the Geri and the Harla. But there is only two Ahmed Gurey's one is a Somali of the Habar Magaadle Isaaq, and the other is the Imam (Imam Ahmed Ibrahiim Al Ghazi). So how did you come into the conclusion that the Imam was a Hawiye Karanle?
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Well either that or the Reer Garaad of the Karanle aren't really Karanle
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James Dhal why are you not mentioning the Imaam's real clan and abtirsi in ur blog? doubtlessly Axmed gurey was Dir, Gadabursi (abrayn subclan) as most historians mentioned in the books. kindly update your blog.
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Mondey wrote:James Dhal why are you not mentioning the Imaam's real clan and abtirsi in ur blog? doubtlessly Axmed gurey was Dir, Gadabursi (abrayn subclan) as most historians mentioned in the books. kindly update your blog.
Abuun was his brother, not his father. His father was Garaad Ibrahiim "Cadaadshe". Abrayn Maxamed Makadoor lived in this time and probably fought alongside the Iimaam, but if Abrayn was Garaad Abun, he would be Abrayn Ibrahiim Maxamed, not Abrayn Maxamed Makadoor. Also would not he be centered north of Harar at Gabiley, in the heartland of Gadabursi, rather than far south of there at Hubat?

Also Gadabirsi was only a few hundred years old by this point, and do not have a Reer Garaad (or at least I don't think they do?) they have a Reer Ugaas. The Gadabursi kingdom was established with the first Ugaas in 1607, 50 or so years after the time of the Iimaam.
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HaragWafi85 wrote:It's chieftain of Habar Magaadle not Garaad. Here is a direct quote from Futah al Habash. The difference is the Ahmed Gurey Husayn that is Habar Magaadle - Isaaq they describe him as the Somali, were's the other Ahmed Gurey ( Imam Ahmed Ibrahiim Al Ghazi) is simply described as the Imam. And nowhere does it mention him being Somali unlike the Ahmed Gurey Husayn of the Habar Magaadle.

"The first of the tribes to reach the imam was Habr Maqdi (Habar Magaadi) with their lord and chieftain Ahmad Girri bin Husain, the Somali"
Where is Ximaan? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
He can't Question the credibility of the Futah-Al habash compared to his 1969 history 'facts'

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