[quote="Unclebin-"][quote="Xamud."][quote="Unclebin-"][quote="Xamud."][quote="Unclebin-"][quote="Xamud."]Leelkase Vs Cumar Maxamud never happend we all know it lets not dig up the past.
http://www.somalilandtimes.net/2003/84/8419.shtml"the massacre of the Leylkase clan by the Government forces in the feud between the Leylkase and the Omer Mohamuds of the early 1960s. "
I know for fact that afte every battel the qabiils would make a poem about what happend and who died,! and for the Majerteens, the Reer bicidyahans were the ones who allways made the poems such as.
"Xer Xaarweyne Xabad ku orarey Xabad yeeynan idinka harin"
The war was between Xer(mohamed Muumin of Leelkase) and all Cumar maxamuds except reer mahad! the reer mahads entered the fight very lately? for crying out loud the tiny Leelkase Sub clans such as Maalismoge were doing mitid? why? because we were outnumbered by Majerteens and their Goverment forces guurmad? When tribes such as Marexaan,Dhulbahante and Awrtable tryed to do Xaalqad! not a singel leelkase would show up! due to the fact that they all promised to reveng every killing before any peace talk was mentioned. thats why 400 men were killed before the madness was stoped.[/quote]
What are you on about?
You are quoting a jealous isaaq man who says that my own uncle yasiin nur stoled millions from the somali government while working for the somali government but he wasn't even apart of the somali government.
That idiot TANI has time after time hated on Majerteen and Maxamuud Saleebaan specifically. His words are nill nata.
But a leelkase Educator the most famous leelkase Mr Samatar a man who recounts it as. LEELKASE Vs Omar Maxamuud.
According to him "leelkase were at a standstill" -leelkase POV
"Omar Maxamuud didn't want to wipe Leelkase because they were religious" -Omar Maxamuud POV
"They (Leelkase) got into various and sundry feuds to the east with ‘Umar Mohamuud Majeerteen and to the west with the Habar Gidir Hawiye. It was in a particularly lethal feud with the ‘Umar Mohamuud in 1964-5 that Abdusamad, my Captain Ahab, enters into history as a legendary warrior, leading a Leelkase militia to fight off the powerful ‘Umar Mohamuud to a standstill (this is the Leelkase version; the ‘Umar Mohamuud claim they stopped short of finishing off the Leelkase for fear of divine retribution)."-Said Samatar[/quote]
I could say the samething about your sources Said.Samatar! Hes from My fiqi-Ismaciil and he out of all people should know better then write gibberish! when his cousins sparked of the war himself.
re-read the artical he said! the Leelkase fought you to a standstill! thats what they claimed? while the Cumar maxamuds claimed otherwise! claims a bogus as long as you dont put your money where you mouth is.
I resent the part where he said Cumar maxamud fighting the Leelkase? More Like Cumar maxamud reer bicidyahan Goverment forces Reer maxamud, and all them other minor MJ clans. Why would the goverment forces get involed unless one of the clans were being karbaashed?[/quote]
What government forces? Your own fiqi ismail guy doesn't speak about gov't forces. It was according to samatr leelkase vs Omar Maxamuud. You are bringing isaaq guys and I AM BRINGING A REER MUDUG MAN FROM ONE OF THE CLANS INVOLVED. Do you see my logic? He should know better? You mean to lie? He is speaking the truth.
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Hes basically trying to not take anysides! trying to put the fact that his reer abti were karbaash so hard that they went to get gurmaad from bari and Hawd, on a low low. Wallahi my own Majerteen relatives told me that this was a Majerteen Vs Leelkase war, where the goverment force played a significant roll on the Majerteen side. Surly they thought they could clean the Xer out from Gaalkacyo and Mudug! but they failed, thats why the the war is called " Casar biliq" meaning casarki baa ku dhacay while they were trying to do damage it flipped back and did them more harm then it did to the Xer sub clans.
"hatever the true version of events, the Leelkase came out of this feud with renewed confidence in their capacity to defend themselves by the sword"
He also wrote
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a) There was a civil war in every region of the country, civil wars where the Government of Mr. Abdirazak was either setting one side against the other, or was too weak to do anything about it. Some of these fratricidal wars were happening outside the borders of the republic, but it is well known that the Government of the time was a participant, one way or the other, in these wars. In the west there was the Makyl Dheere-Bahaber Abdile feud. In Hargeisa Area there was the Arab-Saad Muse feud. In Buroa and Lasanood Area there were skirmishes between every sub clan and other sub clans. In the Ogaden area there was the Ali-Harrun war and the Afgab-Dhaweed one. In Mudug there was the Leylkase- Omer Mohamud wars, and the Mareehaan-HaberGidir battles. In Benadir there was the Muroorsade-Abgaal one, and only God knows what happened south of that area. During the three years where Mr. Abdirazak was the P.M, the whole nation was in turmoil and the picture was not so much removed from what is happening in ex-italian Somalia of today. There was no life in the countryside at all, and hospitals were full of the wounded and maimed. It is significant to mention that all wars stopped when Abdirazak's Government fell. "
the goverment was taking sides.[/quote]
SO WHEN A LEELKASE MAN WHO WRITES ABOUT LEELKASE IN THE WAY YOU DON'T WANT TO HERE FROM HIM IS BIASED BECAUSE HIS REER ABTI ARE MJ?
DUDE HE IS LEELKASE. Why would he lie? ABOUT HIS KINFOLK? Why would he make shit up?
BUT WHEN AN IDOOR MAN FROM THE DEPTHS OF SOMALILAND WHO HAS WRITTEN COUNTLESS PIECES ABOUT MAXAMUUD SALEEBAAN AND HATE FILLED PIECES IS NOW QUOTABLE?
That surely is caqli xumo. I will take Prof Said Samatar word over here say any day.
Ironic that I as a Mj would take his word for word but you would say he is clouded because he wasn't favourable in your eyes.
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Unclebin I would like to have a dod about the war but you are blinded by the words of Said Samatar? Am coming with valid points and facts! Prof Samatar wrote 8 lines about the war. I know his Younger Brother! If I ask him about the war he would say otherwise? I knew about the goverment forces being involed before readin the Issaqs dudes artical.
Its logic wallahi! ask any Majerteen person and he will tell you that it was a reer Khalaf vs Leelkase war ask a Leelkase person and he will say it was between reer Xaji of Mumamed mumin vs the whole Majerteen clan. the truth is things happend that were expected to happen! such as Leelkase being abel to protected themselvs from whom ever messed with them.
Do you know that Over 40 Garaad\Suldaans were forced to come to Mudug to hold talks between the warring tribes? the Abgaal Suldaan who never sat a foot in Mudug came.
