The Common Somali Ideology

[Cilmiile]

[quote="KUN-DILE"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="KUN-DILE"]"And you know very well that Riyaale, your president landed in Ethiopia and congratulated Ethiopia. "

Daahir Riyaale will go down in History as a Gadabuursi who congratulated the Ethiopians.

Isaaq politicians condemned it. Its on record.


"15,000 killed in Burco and the town levelled by BM rockets and artillery fire. Somaliland used up all the equipment and munitions they inherited from the government in that fight."

LOL 15,000

The armies that faced each other in Burao were very strong (approx. 5000 men from each side)but the death toll from either side was less than 700.[/quote]


Give me one example of Isaaq politician in the government condemning the invasion. Riyaale is the president of Somaliland and all Isaaqs. Are Isaaqs willing to dump Riyaale and proclaim Jihaad to restore Somali Nationalism and Honour; knowing that the present will lead to eternal Ethiopian domination of all Somalis?[/quote]

It was Riyaale who said it and its Riyaale who will go down in history as a Gadabuursi.

Isaaq know how to play the ball. You can't find an Isaaq man who is shaking his booty for Ethiopia. We got interests of course but we do it with class and profession. [/quote]


Kundile,

Can you lead me to one single source where I can find an Isaaq politician in the Riyaale government condemning the invasion of Somalia?

The point I am making is Silanyo and the foolish Waraabe can afford to say what they like. They dont have the burden of leadership aka Heeryada Zenawi saaray Soomalida.

If Silanyo was the President of Somaliland he would have done the same thing as Riyaale: Congratulate Melez's conquest of Somalia. To do otherwise would mean swift fall from Ethiopia's favour and a consequent destruction of Somaliland within a short time. That is how much we Somalis are under the thumb of Ethiopia.

Your challenge is to provide us with a single link or source showing Isaaq politician in Riyaale's government opposing Somalia's invasion.

[Samatr]

[quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Gedo_Boy"]Samtr,

horta dagaal wuu dhacaa weligeed wuuna dhici jiray......what I'm saying is nobody has a special hatred to Isaaqs.....teeda kale, the Govt. tried to put down the SNM rebellion not out of naceeb for Isaaqnimo b/c they did the same thing to SSDF and if Marexaans tried to overthrew Siyad Barre I'm pretty sure he would have killed as many as he needed to in the interests of stability.

Let's forget for a moment whether or not the SNM founders had legitimate grievances or not. I mean ask yourself what would happen if a small group of Isaaqs w/ real or perceived grievances tried to overthrow the S-land Government...........wouldn't the S-land Govt. suppress that movement by any means possible?[/quote]


Gedo Boy

Siyaad never did to Samatar's family what President Cigaal and the Habar Awal did to them. 15,000 killed in Burco and the town levelled by BM rockets and artillery fire. Somaliland used up all the equipment and munitions they inherited from the government in that fight. Whatever remained, that is, after they shipped huge caches to Caydiid when he was trying to repel the Rogaal Celintii Daarood(successfully).[/quote]

My family still has their lands in hargeysa and burco after the 90's inter Isaaq conflict, Cigaal, Tuur and Silaanyo are all accountable for the destruction, lets not play favourites here. Lastly my family was in the military so of course we were not touched you fool.

[KUN-DILE]

Cilmiile
Before the invation, Somaliland clearly said it opposed any foreign intervension into Southern Somalia including. Somaliland government repeatedly said that. Even Ina Riyaale was quoted by the BBC as saying "Somaliya Ciidan uma baahna ee Caqli ayay u baahantay". That was a diplomatic way of saying No To Ethiopian invasion.

But if Somaliland had the international recognition which the TFG enjoys and had a seat in the UN, Somaliland wouldn't have hestitated to take a very strong position against Ethiopia, But as you said we have our own interests. Somaliland had said what it could afford in its current limited diplomatic connections.

Mr. Silaanyo and Mr. Waraabe voiced stronger opposition both before and after the invasion. What more would you think Somaliland could have done?

[musika man]

lamagodleys don't have the mentality, desire and actions to be united. hell, you can't unite within the darod or within the hawiye clans, israel and palestine will be united as one country before the lamagodleys can establish a united somalia.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Samatr"][quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Gedo_Boy"]Samtr,

horta dagaal wuu dhacaa weligeed wuuna dhici jiray......what I'm saying is nobody has a special hatred to Isaaqs.....teeda kale, the Govt. tried to put down the SNM rebellion not out of naceeb for Isaaqnimo b/c they did the same thing to SSDF and if Marexaans tried to overthrew Siyad Barre I'm pretty sure he would have killed as many as he needed to in the interests of stability.

Let's forget for a moment whether or not the SNM founders had legitimate grievances or not. I mean ask yourself what would happen if a small group of Isaaqs w/ real or perceived grievances tried to overthrow the S-land Government...........wouldn't the S-land Govt. suppress that movement by any means possible?[/quote]


Gedo Boy

Siyaad never did to Samatar's family what President Cigaal and the Habar Awal did to them. 15,000 killed in Burco and the town levelled by BM rockets and artillery fire. Somaliland used up all the equipment and munitions they inherited from the government in that fight. Whatever remained, that is, after they shipped huge caches to Caydiid when he was trying to repel the Rogaal Celintii Daarood(successfully).[/quote]

My family still has their lands in hargeysa and burco after the 90's inter Isaaq conflict, Cigaal, Tuur and Silaanyo are all accountable for the destruction, lets not play favourites here. Lastly my family was in the military so of course we were not touched you fool. [/quote]


Most of the dead were civilians. KlNTIRLE's estimates of troop strengths and extrapolation of casualties therefrom is meaningless and irrelevant. The 15,000 figure comprised mostly civilian casualties. Cigaal's merciless suppression of the Garxajis revolt illustrates that Isaaq people are misguided if they believe that an Isaaq enclave will provide them with peace and security. Only Good governance, democratic values and respect for the rights of the person and his property will lead to genuine and lasting peace.

[Samatr]

Cilmiile
You still don't get it do you Ciilmiile, Cigaal whatever he did to Garxajis, waa nin Ciise Muuse ah, waa nin Habar Awal ah, waa nin Habar Magaadle ah, waa nin Isaaq ah, waana inaadeerkay, if you think your little jabs at Garxajis will make me turn on Marxuun Cigaal your sadly misguided.

You wrote:

"Only Good governance, democratic values and respect for the rights of the person and his property will lead to genuine and lasting peace."

Daarood leaders have a bad record, so far they have shown they have none of those values and goals with the exception of the late Garaad Cabdiqani. Dude your full of shit and we both know it.

[SummerRain]

Samatr,

Lets just hope its a online personality front that Cilmile is presenting to us.

[Samatr]

Remember when I was saying Soomalidu badankood waa iska xoolo, this is what I meant.

[King-of-Awdal]

You guyz are really wasting ur time i say forget about somaliweyn and every region hit road and decide its own destiny whts so special about being united anywayz its not like we have been united the past 17 years and we are still here. i say every province become a nation and than we dont have to deal with this bullshit. am happy with my slice of the Pie can some of u just shut up and take ur slice too.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Samatr"]Cilmiile
You still don't get it do you Ciilmiile, Cigaal whatever he did to Garxajis, waa nin Ciise Muuse ah, waa nin Habar Awal ah, waa nin Habar Magaadle ah, waa nin Isaaq ah, waana inaadeerkay, if you think your little jabs at Garxajis will make me turn on Marxuun Cigaal your sadly misguided.

You wrote:

"Only Good governance, democratic values and respect for the rights of the person and his property will lead to genuine and lasting peace."

Daarood leaders records so far has shown they have none of those values and goals with the exception of the late Garaad Cabdiqani. Dude your full of shit and we both know it. [/quote]


Samatr,

Best Somali Prime Minister and a man who exemplified all those qualities was Daarood: Cabdirisaaq Xaaji Xuseen. Today he participates in anti-TFG demonstrations in Minnsesota despite being a Majeerteen(tribe associated with TFG) and an octogenarian. He risks pneumonia and death in the Cold Wilderness of Minessota in order to demonstrate against what he views as evil conquest of his land by alien country.

But even if your accusation is correct that Daarood cannot provide the necessary good governance, Then why dont you as an Isaaq provide it? If you accuse Daarood of being Tigre puppets, then you must accept, as I have amply proved here tonight, that your beliefs and policies are enabling the Tigre Occupation of Somalia?

What is the Solution?

Either you become part of the solution by setting aside your Cuqdad against Daarood and become a nationalist or you stop condemning the Daarood as puppets because you too are a puppet and an enabler of Somalia's humiliation at the hands of Ethiopia.

[Samatr]

Cilmiile


Your circling around the problem which is your clans niiko for the xabash.
So we can conclude from your points that if Isaaq and Hawiye will not work with a corrupt Daarood leader/gov't, Daarood leaders have the right to niiko for xabash; thats your logic you fool.

[SummerRain]

[quote="Samatr"]Remember when I was saying Soomalidu badankood waa iska xoolo, this is what I meant. [/quote]

[Cilmiile]

[quote="Samatr"]Cilmiile


Your circling around the problem which is your clans niiko for the xabash.
So we can conclude from your points that if Isaaq and Hawiye will not work with a corrupt Daarood leader/gov't, Daarood leaders have the right to niiko for xabash; thats your logic you fool.[/quote]


But Samatar dont you see, you already are shaking your booty for Xabasha. And will do so eternally unless you abandon your hate for Daarood; Unless you abandon your Isaaq parochialism.

You have no choice. Either you will be Melez Bij or you become a nationalist and galvanize into action with Daarood nationalists who are anti TFG and anti Tigre.

[King-of-Awdal]

Am just curious why does everyone if u in any bit critcize the TFG or Somaliland think ur anti Darood or Isaaq now thts some mentality that fuck's up somaliz.

[SummerRain]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]Am just curious why does everyone if u in any bit critcize the TFG or Somaliland think ur anti Darood or Isaaq now thts some mentality that ****'s up somaliz. [/quote]

Some Somalis lack the very logic to reason and be rational human beings. Their qabil over powers them to the point they dont dare criticize their own or admit their faults.