Why is some parts of Somali history neglected

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

i heard Reer Xassan used to lead the Hawiyes against the Itoobiyan Army?

[sadeboi]

He did fight with the british, but that was after he used to assist them in fighting against the rebellious Marexaan galti, he was like a used condom trying to get attention again since his masters did not need him anymore. Afterhe started his rebellion, he actually came to Marexaan to ask for help

Tan kale, do you even know how the Marexaan galti came to Jubbaland? The traveled from Sanaag, lead by shire jama, in order to enforce the gurti Marexaan [mainly reer-hassan, but also soonfure, hawlrarsame, ina nuur and few more], do you understand how sophisticated that had to be to pass through all that land and fight off the british then later the Italian. Matter of fact the Marexaan rebellion was so sophisticated and and active, that the British signed off Jubbaland to Italian because they could not keep it anymore, and the Italians tried to calm the Marexaan down by trying to bribe us with a seat in the Somali parliament.

[Warsame101]

Reer Axmed once approached his camp with the intent to perform a suprise attack but some of their rifles discharged too soon, and once suprise was lost, Mursaal escaped with his army leaving most of his posessions behind. He left behind 1,400 camels and about 3,000 goats as war-booty for the reer Axmed. Reer Axmed slaughtered the goats and rest were sent to Serenli.

[Warsame101]

[quote="sadeboi"]He did fight with the british, but that was after he used to assist them in fighting against the rebellious Marexaan galti, he was like a used condom trying to get attention again since his masters did not need him anymore. Afterhe started his rebellion, he actually came to Marexaan to ask for help

Tan kale, do you even know how the Marexaan galti came to Jubbaland? The traveled from Sanaag, lead by shire jama, in order to enforce the gurti Marexaan [mainly reer-hassan, but also soonfure, hawlrarsame, ina nuur and few more], do you understand how sophisticated that had to be to pass through all that land and fight off the british then later the Italian. Matter of fact the Marexaan rebellion was so sophisticated and and active, that the British signed off Jubbaland to Italian because they could not keep it anymore, and the Italians tried to calm the Marexaan down by trying to bribe us with a seat in the Somali parliament.[/quote]

One cprrection, the Gali Mareexaan were not lead by Shire Jaamac. Reer Axmed were lead by several Reer Axmed Galti leaders including Sayid's head-man Shire Jaamac.

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="sadeboi"]He did fight with the british, but that was after he used to assist them in fighting against the rebellious Marexaan galti, he was like a used condom trying to get attention again since his masters did not need him anymore. Afterhe started his rebellion, he actually came to Marexaan to ask for help

Tan kale, do you even know how the Marexaan galti came to Jubbaland? The traveled from Sanaag, lead by shire jama, in order to enforce the gurti Marexaan [mainly reer-hassan, but also soonfure, hawlrarsame, ina nuur and few more], do you understand how sophisticated that had to be to pass through all that land and fight off the british then later the Italian. Matter of fact the Marexaan rebellion was so sophisticated and and active, that the British signed off Jubbaland to Italian because they could not keep it anymore, and the Italians tried to calm the Marexaan down by trying to bribe us with a seat in the Somali parliament.[/quote]

I've heard that. Plus didn't Marehan have to fight off the hostile clans to them (i.e Hawiye etc.)?

[Cilmiile]

[quote="sadeboi"]He did fight with the british, but that was after he used to assist them in fighting against the rebellious Marexaan galti, he was like a used condom trying to get attention again since his masters did not need him anymore. Afterhe started his rebellion, he actually came to Marexaan to ask for help

Tan kale, do you even know how the Marexaan galti came to Jubbaland? The traveled from Sanaag, lead by shire jama, in order to enforce the gurti Marexaan [mainly reer-hassan, but also soonfure, hawlrarsame, ina nuur and few more], do you understand how sophisticated that had to be to pass through all that land and fight off the british then later the Italian. Matter of fact the Marexaan rebellion was so sophisticated and and active, that the British signed off Jubbaland to Italian because they could not keep it anymore, and the Italians tried to calm the Marexaan down by trying to bribe us with a seat in the Somali parliament.[/quote]


Sadeboi,

You share the Iidoor characteristic of Libin Xasad. It is more honourable for you to present your own history instead of raining over other people's parades. Specially when those others are people like CAbdiraxmaan Mursal who courage and fighting spirit is being celebrated by Western Intellectuals who are devoting 40 Pages essays to his accomplishments.

And before that the same author notes two other western experts on AFrican history who devoted essays to his daring achievements.

[sadeboi]

Warsame do you know all the galti leaders horta?

Shire Jamac and Suldan Muxamoud Shire were both reer-Axmed, lakiin who were the farax-ugas leader, the talxe leader and so forth?


Luq, I am not sure of any Marexaan galti and central Somali clans fighting. Lakiin, I know the galti fought the boraan, garre, and raxanweyn as they came down to what is today called Gedo.

Cilmile, take it as you wish, I've only stated the truth.

[Warsame101]

Cilmiile, you inconveniently ignored my posts and evidences.

Sadeboi is correct. I have here the actual sources of his history and how the Mareexaan captured 402 large-bore rifles with 16,000 ammunication from him including his chiefs. He betrayed Mareexaan using the British and Mareexaan repaid it back by forcing him flee to Ethiopia.

[Warsame101]

[quote="sadeboi"]Warsame do you know all the galti leaders horta?

Shire Jamac and Suldan Muxamoud Shire were both reer-Axmed, lakiin who were the farax-ugas leader, the talxe leader and so forth?

[/quote]

SB, In the Italian journal titled "riva destra del Giuba" they give us the names of the Galti and Guuri leaders. However the document is in such a bad shape that it is very difficult to read the names. However, I have managed to decipher some of names even though it is in the Italian phonetic spelling.

General Galti Leaders:

Ugaas Xirsi Faarax Maxamed (l'Ugaz, Ersi Fara God)
Sultan Maxamuud Dhoore (Sultan Mahmud Dorre)
Carsce Elmi (Carsce Elmi)

Thale (TALXE) Guuri/Galti leader: Hassan Daba
Ahmed (AXMED) Galti leaders: Elmi Eruf, Scavel Barre, Jaamac Shire
Aurarsameh (Hawrarsame) Galti leader: too difficult too read
Eli Deri, (Cali dheere), Galti leader: Abdulla something


For the rest, I couldn't decipher it.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

whose the leader of the Reer Xassan Guuri

[Cilmiile]

Cabdiraxmaan Mursal was an awesome Cawlyahan Fighter. You cant degrade the man's history. He was an infidel killer who struck a blow against the English colonialist.

Case closed.

[sadeboi]

Thanks warsame.


Cilmile, we are not little kids, you can't just puff and yell when you lose an argument, it still won't change anything, marka grow up old man.

[NoAngst.]

[quote="Warsame101"]For instance, the history of the Bimaal Dir warriors. [quote]

They were indeed great warriors but they only rose against the Italian colonialist AFTER the Italians tried to curb the Bimaal's lucrative trade with cities Marka where they sold produce from country side AND after Italians declared a clamp down on the burgeoning slave trade where slaves were transported from the interior to coastal regions. In other words, the brunt of Biyomaal's resistance wasn't spurred by patriotic/nationalistic urgings but understandable self-preservation and protection of their livelihood. Ditto with Hawiye Wacdaans (don't confuse them with Wacbudaan - abgaal) who squared off against the Italians when they tried to end the slave laborers employed in the farms by Wacdaans. Refer to Lafoole incident. Also check out Charles Guillain's accounts of Mogadish and Marka.


[quote]These warriors rose up whilst the rest of Hawiye were confusingly throwing the Hitler sign as if it was a greeting sign. Everytime an Italian colony passed by, they would stand in rows at the sidelines and show the Hitler salute in intervals. [/quote]

You must be reading from Kacaan history. The FIRST ever anti-colonial Somali was Sh. Axmed Wacdiyow of Cadale, a Hawiye Mudulood man. In 1886, long before Somalis even heard of fighting for "SOMALIA", Sh. Wacdiyow was busy rallying Somalis against the Italians. It can safely be said he was the father of Somali nationalism. After all, he wrote this in 1886:

Soomaaliyaan u dagaalamaynaa,
dalkeena ballaaran u daafacaynaa,
kuwa dulmaaya la dood galaynaa,
dabeylka mowdku intuu I daadihin,
hilibka duud cunin deebna uu noqon,
duruyadaada dab looma aasee,
kuwa dambaan u dariiq falaynaa,
kufriga soo dagay diidda leenahay

[sadeboi]

Nonagnst, that was really beautiful piece about "Sh. Axmed Wacdiyow of Cadale," however do you have any sources pertaining to that man and his resistance, since he has never been heared of we cannot just take your word. Tan kale, it really does make hard for us to believe you since you mentioned that the shiekh WROTE that gabay 1886, when the Somali language and even the cusmaaniya were written/though of in the 20th century, are you even claiming that this man had invented the first written Somali language too This truly shocking and you must reveal more about him walaal.

[NoAngst.]

SB, Shiekh Wacdiyow, to the best of my knowledge, never led an army. He was religious prelate, an elder and a poet from Cadale. He wrote poems against Italian coloniast, due to his sagacity he foresaw Italian sightings off the coast of Somalia were harbinger for something much darker and sinister for all somalis. His contribution to the resistance against colonialism was ideological and spiritual not military.

All somalis poetry save for recent ones are oral including those by Sh. Wacdiyow. Most of his poetry is still in oral form, you can get some here:

http://www.hoygasuugaanta.com/Maqal2.htm (scroll down to Sh. Wacdiyow section at the bottom).