Why is some parts of Somali history neglected

[DawladSade]

Yalaxoow, intaad Siad Barre alle hau naxariisto cayn lahayd, miyaad keeni kartaad meel taariikhaadad lagu qoray? taariikha aynu soo bandhignay lamaba qorin Siad Barre intuu dashay sxb waxba Siad Barre ha caayin.

[Cilmiile]

Naag Abaal haw gelin, amaahse haw diidin bay Soomaalidu tidhaahaa.

And this DawladSade definitely has womanish tendencies.

You have rewarded my generosity when I got the HY off your back by atacking me. What a girlish man. XaarPlaya would still karbaashing you if I didnt expose his tribe's Dabadhilifnimo for Siyaad.

And today I have realized that the Mareexaan are the Isaaq of the DAarood. They are full of cuqdad and are insecure. It is the Iidoor who take the praise of a Daarood man as an insult to them, Why? I have no idea. The Mareexaan appear to suffer from the same syndrome. I wrote Mursal Killed gaalo. And they went into womanish hysterics. Why? I have no idea.

Did I write anything wrong? No.

Mursal killed the gaalo, Cawlyahan are described as fierce cavarlymen, and a threat to English rule of NFD. Seems to me they are Daarood heroes. Where is the problem?

Bal Daaroodow noo garnaqa. Malaa waxa la sheegayo waxbaa ka jira, Quulaha waa lagu sakhraamaa.

[Somaliweyn]

''Why is some parts of Somali history neglected''

''Tell me, NoAngst, who was he fighting? the invincible donkeys from space? It is well known that Italians never controlled Somalia in 1886''

It is because of that kind of derogative attitude towards the history of other Somali groups why great struggles by Somali groups like Biimaal are conveniently brushed aside.

During the 30 years of state abuse by one group, the only story that was told over and over again was the Dervish struggles. Although Mohamed Abdullah Hassan and his dervishes played a monumental rol in the fight against the invaders (which was particularly in the North) , this should not be used to brush away other great struggles like that of the Biimaal and others.

[sadeboi]

Somaliweyn, even the guy who mentioned that shiekh also mentioned that he did not literally fight with the invaders, but rather warned the Somali people of what these invaders could do THROUGH POETRY. There is no war that the shiekh waged, dr.yalaxo is exaggerating, and all of you guys just want to force something on the people that is not true. Like warsame stated at the time that the shiekh was supposedly "waging the war" the Italians.British only stayed in the coast, there was no struggle present at that time. The biyamaal did do some sort of resistance and no one has denied them.


As for cilmile, calaacal all you want old man, you know that you cannot debate with us.

Typical laangaab, Darood bu maanta oo dhan ku waalanayaa, the man died [r.i.p] let him be laangaab.

[Cilmiile]

Sadeboi,

if I wanted to, it will take me less than 10 posts to make you disappear from Somalinet. Unlike you I am not in the business of xagxagshada Daarood.


And Daarood is not laangaabnimo. It is the only thing that saves your from my WRATH.

And in this episode you embarrassed yourself. Cabdirxamaan Mursal inspires 40 pages of Essays? Where is your hero that has 40 pages devoted to him?

Do you have a Mareexaan hero who shot the English commanders in the ear and wiped out their armies?

And to top it all off Took the man's Helmet as a War booty.

Ma gudboona geesiga hantiyo gocorka caayaaye

[sadeboi]

Should I start 10 with that post or the next one


I embarrassed myself? I used YOUR OWN sources plus other and showed you how he was a british lackey and a used condom trying to get attention, all you have done is calaacal all day about how this is not Darood unity, fockin laangab

Tan kale, aniguneh raggeyga, Amxaaro, British, Ogaden, Garre, booraan iyo balaayo kale bey la dagaaleen oo dhulka ka safeeyeen, intaas oo rag oo commanders bey ka dilleen, intaas oo hanti bey kaso qaateen, dhulkaneh wey ka xoreyeen, adiguneh hal nin oo ah waxey uu wacaan "house-n*gger" oo kibrey oo masterkiis gadaal into uga yimid xabad ku dhuftay kastumadiisaneh so xaday baad maanta ku faaneysa. Qodhiin iyo xeradhiin, somaaliye waligiin waxaan oo kala ma aragteen


Hadi aad nin tahay, sheeg qabilkaada, maanta oo dhan Darood ha ku gaban. You speak about insecurity yet you hide your clan and wish to speak ill of other clans. And no, Darood is nation, its not a clan anymore. Do you see anyone besides you who only sticks to Darood? No, we say we are marexaan, majeertaan, ogaden, lelkase, dhulbahante, now its your turn you little laangab; stop hiding behind Darood to get a name.

[Somaliweyn]

An example of how sustained inferiority complex can lead to imagined realities and severe grudge against other Somali groups (in this case Hawiye) is your following comment:

'' ...whilst the rest of Hawiye were confusingly throwing the Hitler sign ...''

Without even taking the time to see whether this imagined reality of yours actually mirrors the historical picture, you open your mouth to spit out your feelings.

After Africa was partioned in 1884 at the Berlin conference Italy set her eyes on Somalia and made the early serious steps in acquiring this land in 1885. During that year, Italian diplomats were heavily negotiating with the Omani rulers of Benadir coast for some concessions. And even before 1885 there were European discoveries who ventured beyond the Benadir coast, and explored the interior. Go search ''M. Révoil's Journey into the South Somali Country'' on Jstor.
During 1883, he ventured beyond the Benadir coast, and went from Mogadishu (named in the article Magadox) to Geledi (named in the article Gualidi) were he and his fellow explorers were stopped immediately after leaving Mogadishu city by Abgal and Murosade nomad.

''Directly on leaving Magadoxo, the
explorer and his followers found the road stopped by a troop of Bedaween
of the nomad Abgal and Mursoudh tribes, and they only got over this
difficulty by the help of the escort,''

So it is plausible that the mentioned sheikh of NoAngst was propagating against the ''kufriga soo dagay'' as early as 1886.

''kuwa dambaan u dariiq falaynaa,
kufriga soo dagay diidda leenahay''

Also, it is not surprising to me, since Mudulood clansmen were the first Somalis to kill the Italians when they set their first step into their lands. I am sure that without the propagation of animonsity towards gaalo in Somalia by Sh. Wacdiyow, the Mudulood clansmen would not act that aggressive on their first encounter with Italians in their lands.

Without Sh. Wacdiyow, Mudulood clansmen would not write history like in Warsheikh:

''At Warsheik, the center of the numerous Abgal tribe, his visit was the first ever made by an Italian ship. Briefly putting ashore at that small town, crew members of the Volta were given hostile reception. Two men lost their lives-the first Italians to suffer death at the hands of the Somali''
Page 31 of Italian Colonialism in Somalia by Robert L. Hess.

or the other monumental victory at Lafole,

''With government approval, Cecchi prepared for an expedition into the interior.
His caravan consisted of seventy askaris, Commander Ferdinando Maffei of the Staffetta, Commander Franscesco Mongiardini of the Volturno, and fourteen other Italians, for the most part members of the crews of the two ships. That very night their encampment ar Lafolé, some twelve miles inland, was attacked. In the early morning hours, as the caravan once more got under way, it was attacked again. By eight-thirty in the morning of November 26, all but three sailors were dead or dying.''

''First Adowa, then Lafolé; the future of Italian colonialism in the Horn of Africa looked very umpromising at the end of 1896''

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As u can see while your clan saw action as late as 1900, others were fighting as early as 1888-1900.

Yet you don't hear us braggin about our every small incident while at the same time derogating other Somali groups and their achievements.

I am sure sustained inferiorty complex can lead towards your type of behaviour.

[Cilmiile]

Sadeboi

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"The incident actually arose from a dispute between Aulihan and Marehan Somalis
not long after the outbreak of the First World War and from which a series of
raids and reprisals had followed. Following the deaths of nine Marehan at the
hands of northern Aulihan and the looting of hundreds of camels, Lieutenant
Elliot had publicly given ‘Abdurrahman Mursaal an ultimatum to surrender the
stolen animals to him within three days. Instead, the government-paid Reer
Waffatu headman defiantly delivered a gift of black animals that, by Somali cus-
tom, constituted an open challenge to the Serenli DC."
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Dispute between Cawlyahan and Mareexaan, Nine Mareexaan killed, Their camels looted, The English telling CAbdiraxmaan Mursal to restore Mareexaan wealth.
Cawlyahan telling the English to F off. and Then slaughtering them.

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"British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of
whom the Aulihan we re a part, as “one of the most formidable fighting tribes in
Africa” because of their mobility with their ponies, re m a r kable endura n c e, and
the skill with which they wielded their spears."
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Mursal and Cawlyahan slaughtered British, who described them as "one of the most formidable tribes of Africa" and also as an unimportant sidenote they killed a few Mareexaan.
You presented all that evidence yourself, contained in that 40 page essay celebrating Mursal and the Cawlyahan
If you are bereft of history and accomplishment dont try to take away the accomplishmens and glory of superior men who put their manhood on the line.


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And the day aan Daaroodnimo ka soo dego, you wont be happy. Because you will roast and burn in a fire that will consume you. And you will forever disappear from Somalinet out of shame and humiliation.

[sadeboi]

I love this old man and his lack of comprehension.

Old man, you are correct abdulraxman did kill that British Lt. and he did indeed said F off to them. However, the most important detail we are leaving behind is WHEN HE DID THAT.

[quote]On 2 February 1916, the disaster that British officials had feared would one
day happen in the NFD occurred in neighboring Jubaland. There, a large party
of northern Aulihan led by Hajji ‘Abdurrahman Mursaal surprised and killed
the Serenli DC, Lieutenant Francis Elliot, and many of the British garrison. The
incident actually arose from a dispute between Aulihan and Marehan Somalis
not long after the outbreak of the First World War and from which a series of
raids and reprisals had followed.[/quote]

Its pretty clear, we do see Mursal killing Lt. Francis Elliot on February 2 1916, but before his death this "freedom fighter" did something thats very odd, lets read :

[quote]
That this was part of the reason for the Au l i h a n
uprising is evidenced by the fact that, after the sack of Serenli, ‘A b d u r ra h m a n
Mursaal WROTE A LETTER TO KING GEORGE V COMPLAINING of Lieutenant Elliot’s par-
partiality to the Mare h a n .[/quote]

Why would a freedom fighter write a letter to the king of the occupiers COMPLAINING about how the guy they sent was being bias and favoring Marexaan over his cawliyahan clan, to me it seems like someone who is mad that he is doing the work for the british but the british leader is being too nice the marexaan rebels and not to him when he is the one working for him. But its not my of trait to just assume stuff and think that Mr. Mursal was in someway AIDING the british. Lets read another passage:

[quote]To take the case of the Mare h a n ,
‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal had supported a British attempt to disarm them in 191 3 <---------------
and, not surprisingly, the Marehan still had not forgotten his collabora t i o n [/quote]


Oh my, so before the killing of the british LT, AND before saying F off to the british, Mursal HAD SUPPORTED THE SAME BRITISH HE STARTED TO FIGHT IN 1916 AND WORKED SIDE BY SIDE WITH THEM IN 1913 TO DISARM THE MAREXAAN??? WOW, old man are you reading all of this and making the connection??

Mursal= Used condom.



B.t.w

"Glenday feared not the
Aulihan, but attack from either Ethiopian Degodia Somalis or from the
Marehan."



Also, we are on post 9 if I am correct.

[sadeboi]

[quote]stopped immediately[/quote]

Somaliweyn the abgal and murusade did not stop them or do anything really noteworthy, I have read it and they did some little resistence, but after a while it seemed as if they became very cooperative and Revoil visted their land numerous times, he even explained that they were not warlike like other Somalis.

[Cilmiile]

The British may have feared the potential of Mareexaan causing trouble. The Cawlyahan actually went on the rampage and set the place ablaze.



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C o n s e q u e n t l y, an almost complete collapse of colonial author-
ity followed the Aulihan rebellion in the northeastern frontier region and the
fundamental weakness of the British rule over Somalis was unmasked. It wo u l d
t a ke a full two years for the British to reestablish control over the Au l i h a n .
Distribution of Somali groups in the East Africa Protectorate, c.1916

British Perspectives on Aulihan Somali Unrest in the East Africa Protectorate 9
The Aulihan disturbances have received some attention in unpublished dis-
sertations by Thomas Cashmore and E. Romily Turton and relatively brief
treatment in monographs by Moyse-Bartlett and Charles Chenevix Trench



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They fought against the English not to give them help against the Mareexaan but they chafed under the rule of English and the presumption of some uncircumcised English boy telling them how they should conduct their affairs and treat with other tribes.

LET US LOOK AT THE RECORD:

It is, of course, difficult to reconstruct the Somaliperspective from British archival records, as this work has

been compelled todo. The reader nevertheless will appreciate something of how disruptive the imposition of

alien rule was to the indigenous political culture as well as to influential individuals who saw their personal

authority increasingly under assault. The ensuing clash would be tragic for both those agents who stood inthe

vanguard of the so-called pax Britannica and for the Aulihan who hoped torid themselves of their unwanted

and unasked-for mentors.

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More Evidence of the horrors they inflicted on the English:
The Samburu Raid

The first major blow to colonial authority in the northeast occurred inDecember 1915 when Aulihan Somalis

residing in the area between the LorianS wamp and Wajir mounted a huge raid on the Samburu to their west.

Since thecommencement of colonial rule in the north during the first decade of the twe n-tieth century, the

British had left the Samburu almost without administra t i o n .The government tra n s f e r red its official in

what then was Southern SamburuDistrict to the NFD in 191 5 .7Conducted mainly by the Reer Tur Adi section

of the Aulihan but also with Jibrail participation, the attack had devastating re s u l t s .The Samburu lost 54

persons, including babies speared on their mothers’ backs,a c c o rding to one lurid account.8 Besides the

Samburu, three Meru also perished,and the Somalis took thousands of cattle, small stock, and donkeys. A

Britishofficer joined the party of Samburu m u r ra n, or warriors, who chased and ove r-took the assailants.

These so-called southern Aulihan turned and routed theirpursuers, howeve r, and forced them to quit the field

in what another colonialofficer described as “rather a bad show. ”9 M e a nw h i l e, the few Europeans

livingin the north became appre h e n s i ve if not panicked concerning their safety.10Ethel Ray n e, wife of a

King’s African Rifles, (KAR), lieutenant assigned to thenorth, later re m e m b e red being re a s s u red by a

British officer left in charge of theb o m a, or government post, where she was staying. He told her that she

couldsleep secure in the knowledge that if Somalis attacked the outpost in the night,he would shoot her and

the childre n

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Yet more evidence that the Struggle was not about Mareexaan but the larger issue of Cawlyahan asserting their right to determine their future and their relations with their neighbours without English interference.

n other cases, it entailed intrusion into feuds among theSomalis so that k a f f i r s, or infidels, became judges

in conflicts that had here t o f o rebeen re s o l ved by traditional means or with re f e rence to s h a r i ’ a, or

Islamic law.B e l i eving themselves impartial and just, British administrators presided ove rSomali s h i rs,

mediated d i a disputes, settled bride-wealth cases, and decided rightsto watering sites. Such intervention

could become dangerous for frontier re p re-s e n t a t i ves since they lacked legitimacy in Somali eyes and

we re without themeans to enforce their decisions. That this was part of the reason for the Au l i h a nuprising

is evidenced by the fact that, after the sack of Serenli, ‘A b d u r ra h m a nMursaal wrote a letter to King

George V complaining of Lieutenant Elliot’s par-tiality to the Mare h a n .2 7M e a nw h i l e, although the

taxation of Somalis had notyet been sanctioned, the authorities had long since pre s s u red them to surre n d e

rcamels for government tra n s p o r t .2 8Elliot, who took pride in his knowledge ofthe Somali language, did

not fully appreciate the subtleties of Somali politics.2 9M o re ove r, he counted too much on his own abilities,

and consequently paid theultimate price for his folly

I WILL CONTINUE TO POST THE ENTIRE ARTICLE IN SMALL DIGESTIBLE BITS UNTIL THEY PUT UP YOUR HAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE HEROISM OF THE CABDIRAXMAAN MURSAL.

IF YOU HAVE NO HERO, DONT BEGRUDGE THE HEROISM OF OTHERS WHO ARE SUPERIOR TO YOU. THEY PUT THEIR MANHOOD ON THE LINE.

[sadeboi]

Like a confused and beaten man, old cilmile blabs on and purposely ignores everything I have presented.

You see this old man, obviously suffering from dyslexia, is not looking at THE DATES, I have yet to say the cawliyahan and mursal did not fight the british, but I have numerously repeated that they started to rebel in 1915 and so forth. And that had mostly to do with the British totally ignoring them since THEY WERE OF NO USE NO MORE to them. The cawliyahan and mursal were loyal servants of the british prior 1916, and THEY HELPED THE BRITISH IN TRYING TO DISARM THE MAREXAAN in 1913.

This old man knows the truth, thats why he keeps on repeating what happened after 1916. Its like yey and geedi fanax all of the sudden saying that Ethiopia is an invader and starting to fight against them, because Ethiopia discarded them and wanted to reach a peace agreement with ICU.

Tan kale, while the little used condom started to fight in 1916, the Marexaan have already been waging wars against the invaders and made sure they did not occupy their land [Jubaland].

1909 and prior:
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[quote]To take the case of the Mare h a n ,
‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal had supported a British attempt to disarm them in 191 3 <---------------
and, not surprisingly, the Marehan still had not forgotten his collabora t i o n [/quote]

In 1914
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[Cilmiile]

Sadeboi

This Paragraph you are quoting about his collaboration is an explanation of Mareexaan's lack of participation in the fight against the British. The writer asks the question: Why should the Mareexan join him. We can infer from that paragraph that he was trying to lead the Mareexaan into Jihaad.

LET US LOOK:

Without doubt, part of the reason for their reticence lay in the already existing conflicts among the Somali clans, and had nothing todo with the Aulihan headman per se. To take the case of the Mare h a n ,‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal had supported a British attempt to disarm them in 191 3and, not surprisingly, the Marehan still had not forgotten his collabora t i o n .3 8Indeed, the Marehan’s feud with the Aulihan, not to mention the camel raid ledby ‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal himself, had been the proximate cause for the disputewith Lieutenant Elliot. Why then should they join his rebellion? Much the samecan be said for the Muhammad Zubeir whose elders refused to participate in ag e n e ral uprising even though they we re heavily pressed by some of their morerestless youth who sympathized with the Au l i h a n



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Instead of joining the righteous Jihaad, they joined the British as Askaris. Very unusual and disgraceful to find Daarood being soldiers for British in order to destroy a Daarood government such as the Cawlyahan and Mursal's jihaad. Isaaq were in there as well but that is not surprising.

LET US LOOK:

Indeed, when the punitive expedition actually got underway, many of the British askaris were Isaak Somalis from British Somaliland, and a number oflocal Marehan joined the colonial troops in suppressing the Aulihan
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And the reputation of Mursal for rebellion, independent action and slaughtering Gaalo was well-established well before 1909 and this dates that you presenting.

LET US LOOK:

‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal briefly served the Kismaayo administration after 1896, when the British sent him and 18 constables toestablish a customs post at Serenli.32He became a leader of an Ogaden rebel-lion in British territory in 1898, however, and was involved in the death of theJubaland subcommissioner, A. C. W. Jenner in late 1900.33Nevertheless, theReer Waffatu chief was soon working with the British again. So slight was theinfluence of the colonial authorities over the Somalis that they took help wherethey could get it. Some were not so ready to secure his services. John Hope, oneof the first British officials to serve in the NFD, condemned ‘AbdurrahmanMursaal’s proclivities for independent action, and C. S. Reddie, a JubalandProvincial Commissioner (PC), accused the Aulihan leader of gun-running.34Nevertheless, Captain R. E. Salkeld, a British officer in Jubaland who subse-quently became the PC, was willing to rely on ‘Abdurrahman Mursaal.35Infact, the Aulihan leader had the opportunity to meet with the EAP governor in1915, and used his interview to promote his personal authority when hereturned to Serenli.36Obviously, the Aulihan leader was a man who took hisown counsel, and one who could not be pushed too far. Elliot’s inability to graspthis led to tragic consequences for him and his men as well as the Aulihanchief’s followers when colonial troops finally suppressed their rebellion
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ALL THIS EVIDENCE FROM THE ARTICLE YOU PRESENTED. HAVE YOU NOT READ THE ARTICLE OR DID YOU JUST SKIM UNTIL YOU SEE THE WORDS MAREEXAAN?

[Cilmiile]

Sadeboi,


No wonder I was saying that you guys were behaving like Iidoors in this room. Then we find in the history that you behaved like the Iidoor back in the day as well fighting for the English.

Garwadeenka adigaw ahaa, gaaladii Yurube
Inta aad tilmaan lagu gartiyo siisay gacan haadin
Gaashaandhig Soomaliyeed guba tidhaahdeen

Shame Shame.

[DawladSade]

Sadeboi cease wasting your time. After repeating the same point and giving a new twist by saying "the author then asks why Mareexaan did not fight against the British" it is obvious the old harlot has become a broken record. His English did not fail him, as he can read perfectly well that Mareexaan did fight against the British at a time when even Mursaal was their pet, he understand that he lost and sees being redundant as the only viable option for him left in the debate. We will ask him about battles in Buuhoodle, but Jubbaland, as he had already admitted himself, is not an area he can debate about and clearly is very apparent now.

[quote]Its like yey and geedi fanax all of the sudden saying that Ethiopia is an invader and starting to fight against them, because Ethiopia discarded them and wanted to reach a peace agreement with ICU.[/quote]

Bullseye! And we should glorify it miyaa even though Mursaal joined with the British to weaken Mareexaan and when he saw the British trying to befriend Mareexaan started fighting against them afterwards?